I basically agree with you on all of this. What I object to is the people who want "abundance" to be our Political Brand at this precise moment in time, as if the problem with deliverism was the name. It's just YIMBY deliverism, and deliverism was both extremely good, and politically useless - ThreadSky

whstancil.bsky.social • 1 day ago

I basically agree with you on all of this. What I object to is the people who want "abundance" to be our Political Brand at this precise moment in time, as if the problem with deliverism was the name. It's just YIMBY deliverism, and deliverism was both extremely good, and politically useless

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romancaturday.bsky.social•1 day ago

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gluonspring.bsky.social•1 day ago

I mostly agree, though I think homeless encampments are more visible and damaging to the Dem image than student loan forgiveness or infrastructure spending are visible and positive things for the Dem image.

sqncs.bsky.social•1 day ago

Trump won by a fraction of a percent, and still not a majority, in a year where every major economy having an election saw the incumbent replaced with inflation still fresh in people's mind. Why are you doing PR for Trumps image as a strong man who sailed into office.

jdcmedlock.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yea fair enough, I have low expectations for the short term politics. I can't speak for the proponents, but I think of Deliverism more as a political theory and Abundance more as a governing theory.

tyranthesaurus.bsky.social•1 day ago

Also deliverism failed because it didn't deliver. Its failure in government was magnified by the very processes Abundance wants to streamline or eliminate in order to deliver . . . anything meaningful.

tequila0341.bsky.social•1 day ago

I think Abundance ideology focuses way too much energy on stuff like getting rid of NEPA and restrictive zoning - which is political poison - and not nearly enough on raising gov capacity and antitrust enforcement personally

emblemboy.bsky.social•16 hours ago

It's a policy project that helps sell the political project of Democrats.

I think the political project can actually now work in this environment

Trump has done the unpopular part of destroying. Democrats vision can now be on how to build back better, from the destruction of DOGE

librariancapital.bsky.social•1 day ago

UK had some experience of this dynamic

"Most Brexiters say economic damage is ‘price worth paying’"

"A large proportion ... did not prioritise economic considerations ... Nearly 40% of Leave voters said that the loss of their own or a family member’s job would be “a price worth paying” for Brexit"

badgramar.bsky.social•1 day ago

Building more housing (using the word "abundance" is classic Dem wonk shit that needs to be killed) should be a defining priority for Democrats in normal times. No one should be patting themselves on the back for this idea when the constitutional order is crumbling.

jcpillars.bsky.social•1 day ago

I agree it shouldn’t be a platform but mainly because YIMBY failed to deliver in cities where rent relief was needed most

Turns out if you let developers build whatever they want, they build luxury high rises that actually raise the median price of rent

dougo.bsky.social•1 day ago

Is there a place where developers were allowed to build whatever they want?

jcpillars.bsky.social•1 day ago

NYC since YIMBY took over.

Hope you like TCE-induced cancer and birth defects with your luxury high rises. Oh, they also didn’t improve vacancy rates or rent burden in lower tranches despite what Asquith and YIMBY Urbanist hacks predicted

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/nyregion/gowanus-canal-toxic-real-estate-brooklyn.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

dougo.bsky.social•1 day ago

So no NYC building permit applications are being denied anymore? Interesting.

jcpillars.bsky.social•1 day ago

No comment I see on what did get approved or the lack of rent impact or the cancer it caused.

City Planning Commision and NYc council approve almost everything with results like what happened in Gowanus.

But tell me more about Austin, YIMBY

dougo.bsky.social•1 day ago

Sorry for not keeping up with your gish gallop. Carry on.

asherdesai.bsky.social•1 day ago

I think it can be our brand when we get back in power and after we’ve dealt with the insurrectionists. For now, need to mobilize people against dictatorship.

justindavidh.bsky.social•1 day ago

Was it? Or did people look at Harris vs Trump and go, “Trump will deliver more.” I’m pretty convinced deliverism works, people just didn’t trust Dems to deliver. (For media ecosystem reasons, too!)

hekaton.bsky.social•1 day ago

also the abundance shit all takes years to have any effect at all so you’re going to have a hard time convincing the electorate to wait, and then that the benefits down the line were your party’s doing

whstancil.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yes! It's funny because Biden's stuff also takes years to manifest, and a lot of these guys have turned that into a way to avoiding admitting it failed politically - "Well, lots of the spending hasn't happened." But projects like this are ALWAYS going to play out on a time scale of years, not months

whstancil.bsky.social•1 day ago

And frankly, I will never not believe that the reason the usual suspects keep clamping on to these ideas - just like they did to popularism, and effective altruism, and so on - is because these are essentially raceless theories that avoid all the uncomfortable social dimensions of politics

oneoneder.bsky.social•1 day ago

The problem with Democrats:

everyone wants to do the fun work of delivering results to the American people, and no one wants to do the drudgery of building a media/propaganda apparatus

linas.org•22 hours ago

It's not drudgery, its fun. The problem is the word "propaganda" which implies "intentional lies to destabilize mental health". Ask instead: can we build an apparatus that pulls people out of the brainwashed cult they are in? That restores mental health? That would be pretty cool.

fdqr.dev•9 hours ago

There is no effective answer to a cult except violence or a bigger cult.

linas.org•9 hours ago

The US de-programmed West Germany after WWII. And Japan. It can be done on the national scale.

fdqr.dev•9 hours ago

That's what I mean by violence.

linas.org•8 hours ago

The US Civil War ended in 1865. To this day, white people in the South feel entitled. Superior. Won't fix things beneath their dignity. I'm talking white trash here. Poverty-line whites. Deplorables. MAGA. Its been 160 years. 7-8 generations. The slave-owner mentality was never erased.