NEW: Eric and Eliot bemoan the shameful meltdown in the Oval Office between VP Vance, President Trump and President Zelensky - and note that those who are blaming Zelensky for rising to the bait are objectively pro-Putin.
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IT IS not SHAME or DISGRACE - it is showing us all Trump has a partner and it is PUTIN. America will not be The Home of the Free. America will not have Allies. America is coming for your land and your daughters. He just proved it!
Been a very long while since I read the Declaration of Independence. Change out the King for Trump, update some terminology, and the document applies almost precisely with where we are today.
The are just bullies using the American presence, built up over decades, as their cudgel. Relations of trust and reliance in the USA are shot in the free world. We are now a member of the axis of evil!
From the outset, the meeting was not a negotiation - it was an ambush. Trump and Vance did not approach the discussion as allies working toward a common goal, but as political figures looking to undermine Ukraine’s position.
Trump and Vance pre-planned this moment of theater for their patron, Putin. Trump always planned to sellout Ukraine. It was just a matter of when it would happen. That was the purpose for all of those trips back and forth for Orcban from Hungary to Mar-a-Lago.
Whatever its missteps, sometimes great, the United States always understood in its bones that, ultimately, supporting the cause of freedom wasn’t a matter of charity, but survival. Abandoning that cause is self-betrayal.
The U.S. faces an irreversible decline as military alliances collapse and economic leverage erodes. Allies will halt arms purchases, revoke U.S. base access, and shift trade away, crippling our defense industry and exports. America will lose its superpower status, leaving us isolated and irrelevant.
Zelensky's strength is a large part of what keeps Ukranians in the fight. Why would he kowtow to two bullies and show weakness in the face of lies and misrepresentations about his people?
disgracegul...planned and staged Zelensky never raised his voice...Trump hogged the scene...Zelensky should say F-you and turn to China....who is not in total alignment with Putin's Russia
All Democrats need to BOYCOTT the joint address to Congress next week. Not a SINGLE Dem should show up. SCOTUS Dems should stay away. Get some fucking BALLS!!!!
The 🍊💩 and his VP reached New heights of depravity. I have cried off and on all day. And Rubio looked like he wanted that couch to swallow him up. SPEAK UP MARCO, you useless pile of💩.
Vance told Zelensky they were working a diplomatic in exchange for a peace deal with Russia. A bully transactional "America first" mineral deal. Zelensky reminded Vance Russia breaks treaties and invaded Ukraine, again. Where are Ukraine's security guarantees? Some heavy machinery and mine workers?
The first 1/2 of the meeting Z listens to DT boast that the US was getting Ukraine's resources w/o once suggesting Russia should withdraw. Z replied to JD's statement that "diplomacy" would end the war, and JD made it personal. DT & JD then tear into Z like a pair of frenzied dogs.
When Severance ended tonite, Apple's Vietnam War series started, we hadn't been watching it. As I washed the dishes I thought about the 58K deaths and the 300K wounded and the 1K missing and wondered with Trump's move to the bad guys -- if all those names on the Wall in DC were made meaningless?
In one sense, their sacrifice, even the involuntary ones, can't be made meaningless but the actions of pure evil. OTH, in the recount of our country's history where we articulated a stand for freedom...well today, we don't.
It is shameful. Basic etiquette is you treat your guests well when you invite them into your home. Trump and Vance are just behaving like the white trash they've always beenl
Now that Trump has aligned the U.S. with Russia and has had the classified documents he stole from us returned to Mar-a-Lago, how long will it take for the most sensitive documents to end up in Putin’s hands.
As an Australian we can no longer rely on Trumps America to allie with for our defence. Today showed the world that Trump is not working in either the US’ or the other democratic states interests. Australia needs to look to its other long term allies to defend ourselves and democracies world wide.
Donald and JayVee live in an alternate reality they would like to impose on others in their Narcissistic haze. They cannot be leveled with in a genuine direct manner without mediators if they are going to be persuaded.
People dealing with Narcissists cannot level and be genuine in a discussion. They expose themselves to abuse. There are ways to minimize the damage; Narcissists live in their own separate reality: Mediators are a must. Narcissists who get abusive like that deserve "grey stone" attitude in response.
Yes. We wont put up with that garbage from Russians. Trump lost his cool. "One" of the many reasons is he is a child & cannot bear to have anyone reveal that he is wrong. Trump lied and said that Zelensky never thanked us, who actually thanked us 33 times on air. Vance jumps in because he is stupid
This was entirely predictable. Trump has loved Putin for years. Direct your rage and disgust at the 10s of millions of self absorbed, short sighted, ignorant American voters that selected for exactly this. The people are the problem.
Watching this now and they make a good point, we're only 5 weeks into this administration.
Also, love when Eliot says use clear language and call evil, evil. Live in truth, he said. Which will be hard because they can't handle the truth (my words).
I agree with Eric, he's testing the 28 waters.
" we will always have our hate" 😁
Please thank them- they expressed a number of things I am feeling, including the literal 'sick to the stomach' when watching the repulsive display.
Unforgiveable U.S. treatment of Ukrainians under Trump/Vance/Republicans. Until yesterday, it was un-American. Republicans still standing around the bloody stage, fist-pumping, grunting and throbbing, the stage where Trump/Vance castrated Z on live TV, in front of the world, Putin's media filming.
I'm personally embarrassed by the brutish, bullying behavior I saw today in the Oval Office. Shameful. Correct, but I'm trying to think of a stronger word.
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Another Revolution is on the horizon.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
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https://www.plagueisland.com/p/trump-vance-and-the-zelenskyy-ambush
Musk.
Vance.
Rubio.
et al
Fundamentally and irrevocably are traitors to our country.
To our allies.
And to the very foundations of democracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/opinion/putin-trump-ukraine.html?unlocked_article_code=1.0k4.c9iU.vqHP5uA29ZDF&smid=url-share
Bet he's never had to hop on secret flights in between lulls in a shooting war
Amateur hour.
Tomorrow.
https://bsky.app/profile/silenciodogwood.bsky.social/post/3ljbnmgb4bs2f
Also, love when Eliot says use clear language and call evil, evil. Live in truth, he said. Which will be hard because they can't handle the truth (my words).
I agree with Eric, he's testing the 28 waters.
Please thank them- they expressed a number of things I am feeling, including the literal 'sick to the stomach' when watching the repulsive display.
And this is just one example and the tip of the iceberg.