These grades are not subjective. They're based on data and math. Our analyst's goal today is to put everything together (player value, positional value and trade value) before grading each NFL’s team draft class. How did he do? http://dlvr.it/TKVG3T - ThreadSky

theathletic.bsky.social • 45 days ago

These grades are not subjective. They're based on data and math.

Our analyst's goal today is to put everything together (player value, positional value and trade value) before grading each NFL’s team draft class.

How did he do?

http://dlvr.it/TKVG3T

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randstad-rail.bsky.social•45 days ago

This says my team’s grade is bad therefore this grading is wrong

joshsteich.bsky.social•45 days ago

Lions fan, checking in

bike2beer.bsky.social•45 days ago

You can tell it’s wrong just from the Browns grade

hottread.bsky.social•45 days ago

Check out my draft class reviews at https://thehottread.com

braxon-brax-off.bsky.social•45 days ago

Any grades, no matter how much data you use, are very dumb to put out right after the draft. No one will have any idea how any team did until at least a couple years from now.

ddr3ck.bsky.social•45 days ago

Brad Holmes

thenighttravelr.bsky.social•45 days ago

Sheer idiocy.

orca.wales•45 days ago

Bait used to be believable

l2playj.bsky.social•41 days ago

Lions having the worst draft class. Who are you The Athletic? I believe if you look at their last 3 classes you are fools. They know what their doing now. You gave the Browns an A+ because they took Sanders and you know it. Go away. Stop publishing anything.

lorehound.bsky.social•45 days ago

lmfao if this model thinks the Seahawks (along with a few other teams here) had a C draft it should be scrapped

lorehound.bsky.social•45 days ago

Browns A+ draft for trading off of a generational talent and taking a terrible QB in the 3rd round, then taking another QB prospect 2 rounds later 😭

wizopindy.bsky.social•45 days ago

Of course it is subjective. Making a mathematical calculation starting from a subjective assumption of player value does not make the result objective. Garbage in => Garbage out.

himynameismichael.bsky.social•45 days ago

A great example of how statistics and analytics aren't always sound. You can't apply the same parameters to each team. Every team has different needs and timelines for success.

himynameismichael.bsky.social•45 days ago

Also, if a team took 7 QBs would they get an A+?

rscannix.bsky.social•45 days ago

Objective mathematically based grades on an exercise that is notoriously speculative.

sammeybarks.bsky.social•45 days ago

Awful

omcpanda.bsky.social•45 days ago

It’s absolutely subjective because the input data is hopelessly subjective.

This is just terrible analytics.

pauselius.bsky.social•45 days ago

Just as whack and worthless as PFF grades.

infinitesimile.bsky.social•45 days ago

This is like saying you don't need a coach. Analytics is the answer. The fact that those top 5 teams are rarely in contention kinda proves the formula that created this is dumb.

papajoey.bsky.social•45 days ago

We will see how your data and math works out when these players start playing. Grading Denver at a D is stupidity.

phillyfrontoffice.com•45 days ago

"Data and math" sure sounds like you are spinning your own predictions as objective. You had Dart and Sanders as high first round picks and they weren't. You don't get to pat yourself on the back for being wrong, that's not how it works

titansfanrants.bsky.social•45 days ago

They had them as their 49th & 34th ranked prospects, respectively. Cam was 13th ranked. They're also grades. They don't know where anyone is going, just like the rest of us. Dart was picked in the 1st and Sanders slid HARD because of the chaos surrounding (and within) him. Doesn't remove talent.

titansfanrants.bsky.social•45 days ago

That's why they give the Browns such a good grade. They got a 2nd round talent QB in the 5th round. That's a great value.

thisisntmyusa.bsky.social•45 days ago

lol

santiagojim.bsky.social•45 days ago

Since QB’s are of higher value of course teams that took one or two would get better grades. Also, any and all draft grades are speculative at best and usually just trash.

number1hurtsfan.bsky.social•45 days ago

Hahahahaha Browns get an A+ but Eagles get a C. Throw all the data in the trash and find a new job.

dgerbs74.bsky.social•45 days ago

Hard to take subjective data out of the draft since it’s such a huge factor in why these players are picked where they’re getting picked. Also, there’s no telling how these players will/won’t develop. Kind of a mastubatory exercise.

dackenandeggs.bsky.social•45 days ago

It's still subjective lmfao

talljagsfan.bsky.social•45 days ago

Riiiiiiiight

baldyfrog.bsky.social•45 days ago

I’d be more interested to see how your data analytics would’ve applied to older drafts instead of this year because it tells me absolutely nothing (since the season hasn’t started yet)

cyclonus11.bsky.social•45 days ago

Do you ever revisit these in hindsight?

klsmd12.bsky.social•45 days ago

mjmilloy.bsky.social•45 days ago

Value is, by definition, subjective

aigbombers.bsky.social•45 days ago

This has to be an engagement post. Gotta be right?

kearseymorton.bsky.social•45 days ago

guys, everything is subjective, especially the choice you make when you assign values to something
that first sentence is total BS

moabda.bsky.social•45 days ago

Does the scoring take into account team needs and player availability at that pick, scheme fit etc.?

Anything scoring success of a draft is subjective- you can’t predict the future.

igglesdan.bsky.social•45 days ago

You must have flunked math

withoutpause.bsky.social•45 days ago

The Browns traded back to get a 2nd first rounder in a better QB draft and then drafted two QBs in the 3rd and 4th round in a weaker QB draft.

clutterlr.bsky.social•45 days ago

These grades are not subjective because I say so!

j4sonturner.bsky.social•45 days ago

When the fantasy draft grading AI tool gives you an A+ because you took 4 quarterbacks 😂

number1hurtsfan.bsky.social•45 days ago

Teams should take QBs with all 7 picks, guaranteed A+ every draft.

josephsanbo.bsky.social•45 days ago

Do you understand that data and math can still be used subjectively? If the data came from expert rankings than of course it’s subjective

i6son.bsky.social•45 days ago

What’s his resume?

psychob50.bsky.social•45 days ago

You can't just use stats and do this "not subjective." Travis Hunter plays 2 positions. Based on your player value, I doubt it includes that in his grade. And this is a complete culture change for the Jags, which was much needed.

drwilke.bsky.social•45 days ago

GIGO

juicyred0.bsky.social•45 days ago

Bold strategy giving the Raiders a D when 90% of other credible outlets are consistently giving them A’s. Great work.

awbasil.bsky.social•45 days ago

alumnati.bsky.social•45 days ago

Whoever posted this is aware how stupid it is at least

caponigri.bsky.social•45 days ago

Like all draft grades, what this measures is how closely the teams GM thinks like the author.

keroberry1.bsky.social•45 days ago

Bit skeptic

Moneyball doesn't work that well in Football

wonderingnotlost.bsky.social•45 days ago

Cool... what grades did you give 3 years ago? How accurate is your "data and math"?

yepitskeys.bsky.social•45 days ago

Be fr. This is just a bait post lol.

grillmeister.bsky.social•44 days ago

This nonsense is click bait, plain and simple. Congrats, it worked.

fbarchaeology.bsky.social•45 days ago

You don't think your formula is subjective? That AI thing is getting really good.

ajbrooks88.bsky.social•45 days ago

Dolphins fan here who thinks this article should also get an F

mxmllnr.bsky.social•45 days ago

C grade for the Seahawks why? They filled a huge hole in the first round and got a project QB to back up Darnold in the third. They had an objectively great draft.

jonp214.bsky.social•45 days ago

When someone takes two third string QBs in one draft you gotta give it an A+

napendragon.bsky.social•45 days ago

that is an objectively great move, apparently.

basedhits.bsky.social•45 days ago

Trading off the best player in the draft and then taking Dillon Gabriel literally anywhere gets you an A? LMAO this is the dumbest shit I've seen in sometime.

aigbombers.bsky.social•45 days ago

Drafting 2 QBs should get you an F. Maybe either Gabriel or Sanders will work but you just wasted the pick on the other one especially having to trade up.

danidtown.bsky.social•45 days ago

Too bad that football is not played on paper 😂.

brazuca.bsky.social•45 days ago

Did he ever go back in history and see the grades compared to player performance? I would love to see that retrospective

shortfuse69.bsky.social•45 days ago

Colts deserve an F, when you have two QB like AR and DJ, you have none, they passed on a Shedeur Sanders cause he hurt the feeling of the owners and coaches well boo fucking hoo. will be in the same boat next year, a 13-15 round pick and missed the playoffs once again. hope he lights the NFL up.

meanmutton.bsky.social•42 days ago

Shedeur Sanders doesn't have the physical skills to be an NFL starter. He can't throw the long ball and he doesn't have the athleticism to run. Add in his lack of leadership skills and me-first attitude in a team sport and no wonder no one wants him. It's Aaron Rodgers but younger and without a ring

dtrom34.bsky.social•45 days ago

Why do the Browns get high draft grades every year?

number1hurtsfan.bsky.social•45 days ago

This year it's because they took two QBs and this flawed and broken model gives more points to QBs. The more QBs taken the better the draft apparently.

thedude7777.bsky.social•45 days ago

For this to be anything other than nonsense they should have applied their formula to the previous 5 drafts so we could see how their model aligned with the reality of how teams actual drafts fared.

number1hurtsfan.bsky.social•45 days ago

This is such a great point.

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