If you are a big-time Supreme Court litigator like Tom Goldstein for long enough. you forget the 1L-year basics of how criminal law works, really tragic stuff www.nytimes.com/2024/11/15/o... - ThreadSky

jaywillis.net • 122 days ago

If you are a big-time Supreme Court litigator like Tom Goldstein for long enough. you forget the 1L-year basics of how criminal law works, really tragic stuff https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/15/opinion/trump-criminal-cases.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

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donald-trumpshka.bsky.social•122 days ago

I guess the people aren't entitled to due process...

josephrusso.bsky.social•122 days ago

Where is Stannis Baratheon when you need him?

imtheresistance.bsky.social•122 days ago

When the jury is made to listen to both the prosecution and the defense, and when there is a judge to make sure the lawyers both have an opportunity to make a full and honest case, then the jury gets it right. That’s not how an election works.

carlabean.bsky.social•121 days ago

What an ass-kissing piece of shit. @marcelias.bsky.social calls it "anticipatory obedience".

motorcitygal66.bsky.social•122 days ago

Yeah, this blows. The jury was out. (The America people) came back not guilty. With so much undeniable evidence of guilt.

deeznotez.bsky.social•121 days ago

Does "unanimous" ignorance absolve criminality and usurp justice? Can there ever be peace without justice being served? Seems like conditions for civil unrest especially when people who voted for 45 or didn't vote at all realize they acted against their own best interests.

eardefenders.bsky.social•122 days ago

God how pathetic. Especially since most of those 75m people will go "yeah I voted for him /even tho he's a criminal/...but he said he lower the price of eggs!"

rednecklefty.bsky.social•122 days ago

Anyone ask him about Gore vs. Bush lately?

ksimplicio.bsky.social•122 days ago

He was on Gore’s legal team in Bush v Gore. This is insane.

rednecklefty.bsky.social•122 days ago

As I understand it, he didn't come out of that with shining colors.

celebrityhottub.bsky.social•122 days ago

(puffing on bubble pipe) isn't the ballot box the ultimate jury of your peers

jaywillis.net•122 days ago

[giant bong rip] you can’t spell PRESIDENT-ELECT without NOT GUILTYPRESDEEEC

tacticalmoonpie.bsky.social•121 days ago

So his argument is, if you're popular, you can do whatever you like. Interesting.

jaywillis.net•121 days ago

I keep reading this part and laughing, how do you write this shit with a straight face

lauraoppy.bsky.social•122 days ago

This is the type of legal analysis (Goldstein to be clear) that makes my blood boil.

scotian.bsky.social•122 days ago

looking forward to all future criminal verdicts in the United States being rendered by a jury comprising ~150 million of the defendant's peers!

jbarab.bsky.social•122 days ago

So any election victory by a convicted felon automatically overrules the jury's verdict? Is that how it works in this country now?

eileendover.bsky.social•122 days ago

Diddy is getting his presidential campaign started asap!!

lawyered-up.bsky.social•122 days ago

I mean, why shoot that high? Just win local dog catcher election - the people will have spoken.

mcnary.bsky.social•121 days ago

"mY fElLoW dEmOcRaTs"

scottabeles.bsky.social•122 days ago

Was always a charlatan.

hazeleyes61.bsky.social•122 days ago

Counterpoint... doesn't dropping them proof they were just political?

larelli.bsky.social•120 days ago

No dropping them means that they acknowledge that the cases won’t proceed with Trump as president

hazeleyes61.bsky.social•120 days ago

That's not how the spin will go...and you know it. The "right" will spin it as proof...and the minions will believe it... facts don't change their minds.

jaywillis.net•122 days ago

Sorry the Constitution does what now??

gustavo64.bsky.social•122 days ago

Ah yes, the famous faith the Founders had in the wisdom of the common people.

jadubin5.bsky.social•122 days ago

The constitution barred him from running. The Supreme Court he installed just decided that actually no it didn't.

bobbydocs.bsky.social•122 days ago

Tom Goldstein:

fleerultra.bsky.social•122 days ago

[citation needed]

jmchao.bsky.social•122 days ago

WTF v. Trust Me Bro (2024).

jaywillis.net•122 days ago

It’s written in the soaring rhetoric of like Obama in 08, but all the substance is on the level of a half-assed AP Gov essay, terrific stuff

krishnaroskin.bsky.social•122 days ago

What the actual fuck?

brandice.bsky.social•122 days ago

garbagearsonist.bsky.social•122 days ago

You never got around to reading Article VIII, I see ("Any of the provisions of this Constitution may be negated by the popular election of a President who disagrees thereof; whereupon, that provision of this Constitution is thereby deemed waived.")

itskrev.bsky.social•122 days ago

Lmao it most certainly does the opposite

itskrev.bsky.social•122 days ago

Jay I have a poli sci degree and I actually studied con law surely you can help me steal this dumbass's paycheck

dicools.bsky.social•122 days ago

Maybe he’s trying to say we’ve heard from the jury pool? Not agreeing, just trying to understand because I know that Tom Goldstein is not dumb and yet this seems like a very dumb thing to say

rollforphobia.bsky.social•120 days ago

People who aren’t dumb are the dumbest of all.

jaywillis.net•122 days ago

Might be mad enough to blog it (copyright @tomscocca.bsky.social)

stefsull.bsky.social•121 days ago

Grotesque take.

theultrasecret.bsky.social•122 days ago

Trying to figure out what crime to commit that will poll well online.

rollforphobia.bsky.social•120 days ago

You say putting Mark Zuckerberg in the Cube from the movie Cube is kidnapping and murder, but shouldn’t the people decide that?

manufacturingtapin.bsky.social•122 days ago

Your favorite editors favorite editor.

tomscocca.bsky.social•122 days ago

You and me both

jaywillis.net•122 days ago

“And my axe” etc

tomscocca.bsky.social•121 days ago

Done https://www.indignity.net/the-worst-thing-we-read-donald-trump-is-too-special-to-prosecute

jaywillis.net•120 days ago

UPDATE: I was in fact mad enough to blog it https://ballsandstrikes.org/legal-culture/tom-goldstein-trump-prosecutions-supreme-court/

patwachter.bsky.social•122 days ago

The 6th Amendment mandates that the country provide you a jury of 150million of your peers

jamesftierney.bsky.social•122 days ago

All cases involving politicians are non justiciable political questions

grahamshevlin.bsky.social•122 days ago

Who is this authoritarian apologist?

bluetsunami15.bsky.social•121 days ago

Tragic? It’s infuriating.

martyvburen.bsky.social•122 days ago

Isn't this what SCOTUS said in the Colorado insurrection ballot lawsuit? Not to absolve Goldstein even for a second, but it's not just litigators that forget 1L.

Note I am not a lawyer.

reichlinmelnick.bsky.social•122 days ago

What an absurd argument. Many voters didn't even know Biden wasn't running! The idea that the election was a referendum on the prosecutions is the worst kind of myopic take.

grudgie.bsky.social•122 days ago

If anyone actually believed it was they would have demanded all the evidence that would appear at trial

ohsolovey.bsky.social•120 days ago

This guy isn't on Bluesky, right? I'm not prone to just outright blocking someone without a good reason (hate, MAGA, etc), but, goddamn, this is some outright legal stupidity and I don't want it on my timeline. At all. Holy fuck. 👀

sweetsueblue.bsky.social•122 days ago

Thank you.

jaywillis.net•122 days ago

See the fundamental challenge here is that Tom Goldstein is “not smart”

bkslater.bsky.social•122 days ago

What kind of a justice system appoints biased jurors without challenge and lets jurors stay home while those that turn up render a verdict? Absurd.

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