It’s not *just over his views*, to be clear. The man coordinates harassment to direct toward trans people. He is active.m. His views aren’t some passive interior thing we’re trying to thought-police. He demonstrably aims to hurt trans people, literally and materially. - ThreadSky

trungles.com • 172 days ago

It’s not *just over his views*, to be clear. The man coordinates harassment to direct toward trans people. He is active.m. His views aren’t some passive interior thing we’re trying to thought-police. He demonstrably aims to hurt trans people, literally and materially.

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Bluesky is at a crossroads as users petition to ban Jesse Singal over anti-trans views

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hiyer.bsky.social•172 days ago

I’ve spent time going through Mr. Signal’s posts and replies on here and I haven’t seen anything yet that doesn’t in some way reference stuff from the other place and or the past. Has he done something specifically here, directed towards anyone? If so could someone link that.

donkadooballs.bsky.social•171 days ago

I'm sure we should have just moved Hitler to another country until he tried another genocide right? No need to be quick to judge. People who build their life around hating others for no reason will do it everywhere they go. Waiting for them to do it is endorsing them doing it.

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

Did you know that judging people, is something we shouldn’t do? We’re not really equipped for it. We’re all flawed, every single one of us. But waiting for someone to do something, is not endorsing. Even if you think they might do that something. You said two words that are absolutely key. 1/4

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

Their life. Just like your life is your life and my life is my life. His life is his life. When we focus on what might happen, in someone else’s life, we aren’t really paying attention to what’s actually going on in our own lives. No one can make you feel anything you do not want to feel. 2/4

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

Someone says something you find offensive and you react, that’s the moment you give up your control and put yourself in a defensive position and become a victim. Bully’s and others say and do stuff like that because deep down they’re fearful and they are always a victim themselves. 3/4

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

The bully is the perpetual victim. To feel in control and grounded they must bully others and make them victims too. They think they are making victims, but no one can make you feel anything that you don’t want to feel. Reacting to a taunt is the first step in making yourself a victim. 4/4

cosettetape.bsky.social•172 days ago

Why does he need to violate standards here when he has decades of violating standards all over the rest of the internet?

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

Because all over the internet is not here and that’s what must be taken into consideration. That’s a very slippery slope banning people who haven’t violated any of the TOS here. He hasn’t said anything here yet, and yet is the operative word. He will in time, that’s his nature. 1/2

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

2/2 His account is really under a microscope. He’s wayy up on the tightrope and there isn’t a net. He will make a misstep. When he does, he’ll be gone.

arina-artemis.bsky.social•171 days ago

I would get your point if he, say, had been a shitty person in the past and now he's trying to change.
But it's not like that.
He's planning to be shitty here.
And even if he "makes a misstep", how long do we have to wait? How many people will he harass off this site, *per his intention right now*?

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

Told someone else this a bit ago. We can’t get stirred up by what someone says they are going to do. When we do that we lose our focus and wind up not being prepared for the stuff that actually happens. I’m sure he’s being watched closely by a bunch of people, if he steps out of line, he’s done.

cosettetape.bsky.social•171 days ago

He already said on Twitter that he's deliberately puppet-mastering his legion of sycophants from THERE to HERE to avoid strict liability for himself via blatant conspiracy.

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

People say a lot of things. Have you seen a lot of his followers here?

cosettetape.bsky.social•171 days ago

YES.

ALL OVER.

THEY CONCERN TROLL & REPEAT HIS RHETORIC & WE BLOCK THEM OR USE BLOCKLISTS.

gooeybea.bsky.social•171 days ago

so if we know a man has a history of kicking puppies and actively says he wants to kick puppies even more, should we let that man into a room unattended with a puppy?

bro use your brain. you know damn well he's gonna do it. why would you WANT people to be harassed before solving it? just solve it.

hiyer.bsky.social•171 days ago

We can’t get stirred up by what someone says they are going to do. We gotta watch them closely. If they step out of line game on. We’re not going to discount what they say, but we shouldn’t act on what they say either, because it’s most likely a trap.

gooeybea.bsky.social•171 days ago

that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard lmao

it's not a trap. and yes we should listen to people when they tell us things. they have already stepped out of line and have stated intent to do so again. there is no reason to wait for them to harass MORE people before stopping them

trungles.com•172 days ago

I love how his whole body of work and activity is out there, and people are still finding ways to “um but technically” his whole schtick like this.

transgander.bsky.social•172 days ago

Honestly imagine if this is how this worked offline?
"Well Jerk McFascist may have tried to stab multiple queer people in that bar over there but he hasn't done that to anyone here yet* so we have no valid reason to preemptively ban him :(".

*he's openly threatening to do that here

productivityalchemy.com•171 days ago

Why do we have to CONSTANTLY remind people of the lessons we learned in the 70s and 80s about “no nazis in the bar”

warmh20penguin.bsky.social•171 days ago

Why should this matter?

ockeroid.bsky.social•172 days ago

Incredibly frustrating to see it framed as just “disagreeing with his views”

golvio.bsky.social•171 days ago

He’s jyusst asking questyiiiinhs thooooo-wuh~! 🥺

kroth.bsky.social•171 days ago

once again he's the year's champion sealion. so earnest and so toxic

bluerlights.bsky.social•172 days ago

His announcement on twitter that he was coming over here literally said he wanted to "colonise" this place with "normal" (read: trans-hating) people. They need to ban him yesterday.

notkoze.trashmammal.club•171 days ago

And normal people don’t hate trans people.

shampoochan13.bsky.social•171 days ago

Like libsoftiktok. She got banned but not him?

capnshores.bsky.social•172 days ago

It is incredibly pathetic to see a company fail to go beyond WHY we joined Bluesky other than: " Well, Elon isn't here :) ~"

the-hampter.bsky.social•171 days ago

bluesky mods when jesse says he is actively harassing people and is harassing people

the-hampter.bsky.social•171 days ago

I genuinely don't get why he's being given a free pass when similar accounts got the boot. Is this a test to see how bad people like him would get?

biglytariffman.bsky.social•171 days ago

I blocked him a while ago, I’m happy to see him banned if that’s what happens. Wasting words on this person gets us another X.

farsendor.bsky.social•169 days ago

I blocked also, surely he will be banned.

caerbannogkitty.bsky.social•172 days ago

every time I look to block him it says his profile isn't there - that's annoying

cat-appreciator.bsky.social•172 days ago

That’s because he’s already been blocked, probably by a blocklist you’re subscribed to.

j-man.bsky.social•171 days ago

He’s the most blocked account on here. He’s very much bad news to any functioning human being.

cldek.bsky.social•172 days ago

Y E S

manruss.bsky.social•171 days ago

This seems to be the thing that the “free speech absolutists” don’t understand. Nobody cares about your privately held beliefs. But if you organize harassment and threat campaigns to drive people off a platform, then the platform needs to make an existential choice about who’d they rather cater to.

roundmoss.bsky.social•171 days ago

and also free speech just means the government can’t kill you or put you in jail for saying dumb shit, doesn’t mean you can’t face social consequences for it from others including being excluded from spaces if the shit you say is awful

calamitas-secret.bsky.social•171 days ago

Not that it even actually means that, considering the lady who's in jail right now with an insane bail for saying "deny, defend, depose" while on the phone with an insurance company that rejected her claim...

roundmoss.bsky.social•171 days ago

yeah for sure, good lord that makes me mad

bento-bongos.bsky.social•169 days ago

Prime example of Gov't inaction when it comes to corruption, but heaven forbid people call it out.

The fat cats would use their own young as living shields ffs!

antman013.bsky.social•169 days ago

And, if Bluesky wants him gone, they can do that.

You can do it by blocking him.

roundmoss.bsky.social•169 days ago

looking for where I asked you

antman013.bsky.social•169 days ago

Wasn't aware that free speech required me to ask permission . . .

apologies,

glflowers.bsky.social•171 days ago

It's also a totally American thing. We have hate speech laws in the rest of the world.

roundmoss.bsky.social•171 days ago

pamcrossland.bsky.social•171 days ago

Mastodon, will mostly ban transphobia, homophobia and racism. The bigots do have their own instances but these are not federated so not visible to the main bulk of Mastodon. Just Mastodon (dot) social that is too large an instance to have decent moderation.

180426900727261gay.bsky.social•171 days ago

they’re also not at a crossroads. they are protecting him directly and knowingly

hollyphantpants.bsky.social•171 days ago

I dunno why they are resisting banning this guy. There's a lot of MAGA accounts whining about being banned so it's not like BlueSky don't ban people.

davidicouldbewrong.bsky.social•171 days ago

W just have to continue to mute and report offensive speech. https://cbwrong.blogspot.com/?m=1

wolfnanaki.bsky.social•171 days ago

Every time a news publication talks about an anti-trans bigot that has directly caused harm, they ALWAYS downplay it to the person’s personal views. Maybe they should stop doing that and state the facts for once.

rockhopper420.bsky.social•171 days ago

I looked at his posts, nothing overt but I got the vibe. Seems like he enjoys the long game. Shame he couldn't use those delayed gratification skills for something productive.

beccahayne.bsky.social•171 days ago

Reminds me of that analogy that pops up from time to time about kicking the first Nazi out of the bar who "just wants a drink" because very quickly if you don't, you have a Nazi bar....

brittexkavi.bsky.social•171 days ago

For ages I’ve said this thing about how I’m intolerant of intolerance & I just recently realized where it came from. I find it still rings true.

(Karl Popper. 1945)

gweeds.bsky.social•170 days ago

Also this cartoon is popular on social media
https://dangerousintersection.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Screen-Shot-2020-11-26-at-4.30.52-PM-832x1024.png

beccahayne.bsky.social•171 days ago

It's one of the great cons/myths of the RWNJ ecosystem

Dat we have to "hear their views" and understand their bigotry

If dey let Jesse on here, it's the perfect Nazi bar analogy

"He's only here to provide balance, he hasn't broken any rules"

You stand for something or nothing Bluesky

brittexkavi.bsky.social•171 days ago

I guess part of my frustration is I expected them to be better than this. Where has tolerating intolerance gotten us? I mean look around. We’ve allowed these people to destroy everything & for what? B/c we didn’t want to feel mean? Didn’t know they were full of shit? People like this are snakes.

beccahayne.bsky.social•171 days ago

To trash their reputation for such a pointless low rent low level intolerant con artist is a very worrying sign

If dey choose "growth" over moderation, it'll be time to go again

brittexkavi.bsky.social•171 days ago

I don’t like making assumptions but also if I was going to make a big one w/zero knowledge I’d say I could see him manipulating someone’s ear b/c I think he’s v manipulative. I read a couple things he wrote a few yrs back & how he presents set off a caution sign. He’s that 1st Nazi @ the bar.

donkadooballs.bsky.social•171 days ago

Twitter wasn't really a good model of what not to do because most companies were not writing "Promote Nazis under the guise of free speech" into their mission statement. But watching Threads fall off because they chose to defend Netanyahu should be a clue not to side with someone less popular.

electricshoehorn.bsky.social•171 days ago

Instead of having to make it a special policy why can't they just let us vote him off the Island? Like why can't be as simple as nobody wants him here?

donkadooballs.bsky.social•171 days ago

Then they just have to bring their howler monkeys to vote no and transphobes take over.

cocaineowlbear.bsky.social•171 days ago

If it was just his views, we'd probably just do what we do with all the other dumb duck ignorant assholes: block the absolute runny shit out of him.

It's not his dumbshit, regressive, fuckwit views we're on about. It's his actions.

Fuck that guy off to the sun.

cocaineowlbear.bsky.social•171 days ago

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult ducks like that.

I meant dumb *fuck*.

guyfleeg.bsky.social•171 days ago

And people already have the receipts, I've seen the receipts, this isn't some weird up and coming nobody. Get him the fuck off here.

pat45.bsky.social•171 days ago

Yeah and these people who say something like “You're banning him for free speech” the answer is that free speech allows people to make fun of officials or the government there are dictatorships, a dictatorship will kill anyone for having an opinion against them

warmh20penguin.bsky.social•171 days ago

Also you aren't owed free speech by a social media platform, candidly. The government can't curtail you (allegedly) but citizens, companies, platforms etc have no such obligation

zayzel.bsky.social•170 days ago

Thank you for sticking up for us ❤️

weirdcontrails.bsky.social•171 days ago

Yeah, as icky as it makes me feel, simply "having views" is one thing, his brigading is another entirely. But because Singal's so "neat and clean and nice," liberals can't pick up what he's putting down. Ringing up Kiwifarms for tech support, I mean COME ON.

trungles.com•172 days ago

Like. Man, if someone is known for shitting on the floor in other people’s houses, you don’t have to wait for him to do it in your house before you’re allowed to take action. You can draw those boundaries now.

rosemyne.xyz•171 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/nyaeko.bsky.social/post/3ld7xtg2fks2q

joedellagatta.bsky.social•171 days ago

I used an identical analogy when signing that petition, yesterday. He's a bad actor. End of story.

duanemoody.qwiffer.com•171 days ago

You can also enforce your policies in good faith and let your users modlist tf out of him

trungles.com•171 days ago

WAIT did I just misread the headline because “harassment” popped into the next line? My bad, TechCrunch, you evidently totally got this.

drudeger.bsky.social•171 days ago

nah, that was 100% updated within the last couple of hours or so. it did not say that originally.

shywoof.bsky.social•171 days ago

Headline has it, skeet doesn't

emmahouxbois.bsky.social•171 days ago

the header on the post ends at views, the embedded headline continues to harassment

trungles.com•172 days ago

I don’t know why the typo did that weird thing but whatever

k-rad.bsky.social•172 days ago

I often get a backspace when I wanted an M. This is probably the reverse.

chillx.bsky.social•171 days ago

I mean, rules are rules, right? so let him on, let him fuck up, and get himself banned. simple.

Wait, didnt that already happen?

donkadooballs.bsky.social•171 days ago

Almost like rules aren't rules.

northsunn.bsky.social•171 days ago

Interesting to see how this goes to see if Bluesky is really different of just “Son of X”?

maocat.bsky.social•171 days ago

TechCrunch is just useless here, it’s Iike the typical bad journalism where everything, no matter how obviously evil or otherwise bad, needs to be presented “neutral” or “both-sides”d. They’re part of the problem because this is the bad faith argument that even lets the pedos-transphobes be on here.

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