“The economic cost of Brexit, reliably estimated at around 5% of GDP and with a total loss to government coffers by 2035 of over £300bn, is unlikely to be offset by attempting to ‘make Brexit work’ – a slogan which rather confirms that it hasn’t”
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"We got a fantastic deal, better than we expected" Boris Johnson (Who never ever read the deal)
A deal now costing us £1million an hour according to the ONS. Yeah fantastic deal Boris!
There are no upsides to Brexit. Bretrayed by the people who are supposed to represent Britain.
I'm sure you are right. Perhaps he has to try it, and then show that you're right in order to convince the public to move forward to the next stage? Frustrating I know, but we need at least a very solid 60-40 don't we?
Nope. The 60% figure is only among those that do know how they would vote. If one includes the 'don't knows' the percentage is around 43%. The EU is apparently viewing a 70% support for the ever-closer fiscal union with the euro. So some way to go still...
And yet we still have the likes of Farage, Mogg and the rest of the diehards claiming that Brexit is good and beneficial for the UK! I cannot begin to see where the benefits are? Am I being thick?
We have to make Brexit work in the present because unfortunately that's all we've got.. Labour is talking to the EU in order to ease trade where possible under this disastrous deal. Moving forward the current popularity of Reform shows a resistance to rejoining.. it has to be one step at a time
The problem isn't the "disastrous deal", the problem is Labour's red lines which are the same one of the Tories. And the EU isn't interested in renegotiating a deal that was finished just five years ago. This is merely a technical review.
Labour have to accept Brexit they didn't negotiate it. A commitment to rejoin the EU before the election would have been political suicide.. they have to make Brexit work because that's all there is.
Of course Brexit won't work it's a disaster but it's fact and has to be dealt with.. we can only operate as a 3rd country as defined in the pathetic deal Johnson signed. Rejoining is years away in the meantime we have to build a closer relationship with the EU.. gnashing of teeth won't do it.
KS’s redlines and his constant attempts at cherrypicking makes a closer relationship with the EU impossible. We in the EU need a trustworthy partner on the other side of the channel.
Starmer should revert to his pre referendum view that leaving the EU would harm British interests, the years since have provided evident proof. So making ‘it work’ is a fool’s errand, serious reevaluation is urgently needed.
If only there had been signs before leaving there would be negative consequences. If only....
Oh well, America watched the Britain's Got (no) Political Talent Show, and said, "Hold my Beer BoJo!"
NVM, only 1,000 Americans know, or care what any other country does; about anything. Ever. 🤦♂️
If something is successful, the narrative is usually about how unfair it is, how others have lost out, how new responsibilities arise from the new found wealth etc eg we should be seeing headlines like "Discontent Grows Across Declining Europe As 'Lucky' Brexit Britain Booms."
Rejoining the EU as far as I can see is a no brainer but the Starmer government won’t even discuss it. Why? I just don’t understand why? Can anyone explain it to me?
Farage said that if Brexit were a failure, he would leave the UK. He was on BBC QT last week. So you can't believe a word he says - especially his promises. Shame no one in the QT audience cared to remind him of this.
Have you come here to tell us GDP isn’t affected and where all those big, promised trade deals with the rest of the world to make up for the fact it will be, are?
The Kremlin got what it wanted and promoted: BREXIT, a weakened divided West, and support for its propaganda lies about its barbaric illegal invasions.
"There isn't enough fucking racists and absolute morons here to amplify the far right lies, so my efforts to combat sensible voices are being drowned out by normal, informed people who block me rather than waste their time listening to an aging racist who can't admit his dream failed"
Brexit was always going to be a failure, and it has been a failure.
The Tories were in power and they're shite on every issue, not much different to Starmer really.
I don't know what made you think that I have any faith in the UK government anyway🤷♂️
Brexit was about two issues. First, autonomy from EU's centralized bureaucracy and regulations. Second, it was also about stopping the flow of immigrants.
Similar to the recent presidential election in the States: the outcome was tipped in favour of brexit predominantly by old, under educated, socially isolated, racists.
The estimates of Brexit damage vary from 4-6%.
The total possible improvements with the current red lines is <1%, so within the margin of error.
As for the new trade deals, CERN will find dark matter before the UK will find a measurable benefit.
So don't expect any noticable improvement for a while.
And yet the oldies are still shouting things aren’t like they used to be well you voted to leave and we are worse off and exposed to war so grow up and Re-Join before it’s too late
Unfortunately it will take a LONG time to rejoin. We can't simply just ask and we'll be back in. The EU wouldn't let us back in without the Tories being on board because there's a risk they'd get back in power and cancel Rejoining. It'll take well over a decade to rejoin.
Nor without serious reform of the UK "democracy", nor without serious reform of the English media, nor without a serious change in attitude of a largely brainwashed population steeped in exceptionalism and feelings of superiority.
Exactly this. It's going to be a long process before we can rejoin. And that process needs to start with the government being honest about how Brexit offers no benefits and never will.
We await the latest utter bollocks excuses from the ever shrinking Starmer fan club as they spout more nonsense about needing more time or “softly softly” 🙄
What are the oresicted economic benefits of the steps to integrate with the EU?? CU/SM, or full membership. It would seem sensible to look at potential opportunities
The big difference of being in the SM/CU or being in the EU is, that in the SM/CU you're a rule taker. You have no say in the laws, in the standards of the EU, you have no power
yes of course. But the question was "what would be better" in terms of gains. I think being part of the EU is better bcause UK could have a say on every rule of the EU. It's not only about economic gains, it's also about the power to decide with others
Oh yeah, I’m with you on all that, but seeing the insanity of 8 years, rejoin is not politically realistic anytime soon, SM/CU/FOM however, would provide huge benefit, and was actually what many brexiters promised/ advocated in 2016, is far more achievable, and technically is still Brexit
Agree entirely, I think my point is more about making it about what we could gain rather than what we have lost. Whilst acknowledging compromises, making a positive case is key
Astonishingly, those we select to make collective decisions for us, would appear to be so lacking in intellect that they are prepared to, knowingly commit political suicide. We ain’t stupid.
Start locking up the actors trying to destroy British democracy. The government’s no 1 job is the country’s security. Leaving the EU hurts our national security, our energy security, our food security and the security of our infrastructures.
I really don't understand why Labour are still going along with Brexit. It's not their policy. They should just come out and say it's shit. Say it's costing every household money. And then blame it all on the Tories.
The losses aren't to 'government coffers' they're to the public and expressed in the form of underfunded hospitals, schools, health entries, sports facilities, libraries etc etc etc. Bwrecksiters don't care about 'coffers'.
This doesn’t answer my question. How to we get from where we are now to rejoin the EU? What does the roadmap look like? What are the obstacles, politically and practically? How can they be overcome? What is the timeframe? What are the negative impacts and how will they be managed?
Your question was directed to the OP (Mike) and my reply was to Jeanniet. My answer(s) to you would be;
negotiations and process.
The electorate and misinformation.
Enact Leverson 2 and jail actors like Farage.
I don’t know the timeframe.
The government’s job is to manage for the country.
Fair point on your response.
First line, totally agree. But not at all easy, especially negotiating with multiple member states.
Second line, very problematic with RW media influence and money.
You know bad actors just can’t be jailed.
The whole thing complex, time consuming and debilitating
I rather thing we are also beyond the point of tear it up and start again. Without a doubt, the ONLY person who the media and thick as mince voters will be convinced can 'Make Brexit Work' at the next GE will be Nigel Feckin Fromage.
Maybe you think 'it will take decades' or 'they won't want us back' or 'petitions don't work', but if you believe deep down that our future lies within our closest trading block why not sign this anyway! You never know. If you don't ask you don't get. http://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700005
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A deal now costing us £1million an hour according to the ONS. Yeah fantastic deal Boris!
There are no upsides to Brexit. Bretrayed by the people who are supposed to represent Britain.
It's important for Team #Remain to not be genteel &trust the 'rules'
(Look at USA 😰)
Time to call out the lies 💰
Be @stevebraysodem.bsky.social 📢
Demand #Rejoin
The #EU was always better for UK&NI participation!
#StrongerTogether 💙
"The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from the European Union."
"The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian secret services"
There is little room for any removal of trade barriers without commitment.
Labour got elected on a hard Brexit manifesto. That is the reality.
His current course is political suicide as well… but he became the PM? which is likely what he wanted anyway.
KS is of no use to the EU…and anyone else…except the Brexiteers of course.
Oh well, America watched the Britain's Got (no) Political Talent Show, and said, "Hold my Beer BoJo!"
NVM, only 1,000 Americans know, or care what any other country does; about anything. Ever. 🤦♂️
"There isn't enough fucking racists and absolute morons here to amplify the far right lies, so my efforts to combat sensible voices are being drowned out by normal, informed people who block me rather than waste their time listening to an aging racist who can't admit his dream failed"
Ignorance and bigotry count for something there.
Try again.
You could have 2 identical twins. One gammon and one not.
* plucked out of thin air
** likely a lie
I'll go with the latter
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c00058b40f0b65af36c5d6c/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Long-term_economic_analysis__1_.pdf
The Tories were in power and they're shite on every issue, not much different to Starmer really.
I don't know what made you think that I have any faith in the UK government anyway🤷♂️
The total possible improvements with the current red lines is <1%, so within the margin of error.
As for the new trade deals, CERN will find dark matter before the UK will find a measurable benefit.
So don't expect any noticable improvement for a while.
It is time to #RejoinEU.
Why, oh, why do we still hear 'make Brexit work' when it obviously never will.
I firmly fear that Brexit will turn out good for us.
There needs to be change, especially to the common ego problems..
On the path to #RejoinEU quick wins for the economy include re-joining the SM/CU & Erasmus scheme.
Bonus: Clamping down on offshore tax evasion & scrapping Freeports/SEZ
Because Starmer foolishly believes he has more time.
Will you lot just quit already or, at least, engage on the issues. None of you ever does!
The CU…maybe.
And with the added Brexit costs.
At least in SM we’d take the same rule, but with higher GDP growth and lower costs, which is therefore a positive return.
There’s simply no logic.
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I learnt this from a a bus.
- same bus.
because it hasn’t.
‘Make Brexit work’…
because it can’t work on its own…
‘Make Brexit work’…
because it’s not working…
‘Make Brexit work’…
because we know now it’s never going to work…
“Joining the Euro and Schengen area are requirements for new member states”
negotiations and process.
The electorate and misinformation.
Enact Leverson 2 and jail actors like Farage.
I don’t know the timeframe.
The government’s job is to manage for the country.
First line, totally agree. But not at all easy, especially negotiating with multiple member states.
Second line, very problematic with RW media influence and money.
You know bad actors just can’t be jailed.
The whole thing complex, time consuming and debilitating
It was hardly robustly built