“The right is telling young men they can get rich without working and can get dates by being an asshole, so the left needs to find a counter argument to this serious philosophy.”
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“And if you don’t get rich, it’s because of DEI and immigrants. And if you can’t make a relationship work it’s because of “woke” women” and some bear. Blame them and vote for us!”
It may not be serious, but the right are succeeding. They aren’t all that different from the Taliban, at this point.
The right is telling young men they can have sex without consent. Get it right.
Also, rich is subjective and so is work. The right is telling young men of a certain complexion that every gain by someone else was stolen from them. Thats not the same as what youre saying its meant to stoke VIOLENCE
there is something to do this though, their message is so bad really any serious attempt to counter it ought to work, just requires actual positive outreach maybe that's treats disaffected young men as an interest groups the way there are a rainbow of interest groups under our tent
I’ve got a theory that all the men (Tate brothers, Rogan, Peterson, Tenant Media) are being financed by Russia to radicalize young men. Misogyny is the gateway drug for real world violence
The cultural basis of Dedovshchina is made up of traditions, customs and rituals that are passed down from conscript to conscript. Often (but not always), these traditions and rituals are associated with the humiliation
I would only add that the right is also saying, “and when it doesn’t work, it’s because of woke Libs…” and unfortunately there’s probably a huge amount of people that now believe this.
He has no job, sits at home all day smoking weed and playing video games. I saw one woman leave that house once and he was screaming that everything bad in his life was her fault.
The endgame is young men pulling their heads out of Trump’s authoritarian racist criminal misogynistic MAGA ass. Threat of eternal bachelorhood is merely leverage they’ll understand.
Tony Bourdain argued that nobody should get out of high school without knowing how to cook a few basic dishes. I think learning how to cook would help incels get laid too. Be helpful to the modern woman, and they will pay attention to you. Demanding sex is the mindset of a rapist.
“Knowing how to be helpful to the modern woman”
🤦♀️ Okay. Little more. Almost there. Women want a partner, not a man-child. If skills aren’t equal, we can barter skillsets.
I’m all for rebranding old fashioned Home Ec as ‘lifeskills’. Looking back, it was a good class, basic cooking, laundry, budgeting skills. Throw us some old fashioned shop classes for minor house fixes and it’s a damn useful class.
When young men don't have a job by 30, fat and lazy still sitting on mom and dads couch (albeit in a Hooverville shack encampment for the homeless population), will they understand then that they had a chance to prevent this?
Nope
Oh...and they'll still be incels taking handies when offered.
Trust fund babies and influencers. Oh yeah, and bitcoin traders, do nothings at Daddy's company, investors in private equity with family money, and jerks who live in a trailer park and drive a pickup with Trump flags.
Younger generations (men and women) in my observation are more into the idea of getting plutocratic rich as quickly as possible and then never working. Risky trades on Robin Hood and crypto over working a job and universal healthcare, childcare, etc.
There seems to be a widespread but inchoate view that working is for chumps. Social Democracies promise is "you will be highly taxed but your needs will be taken care of." S.D. seems to have most of its as people burned by Tech 1.0 and subprime recessions.
I think the first part is a problem. My twenties and much of my thirties were dominated by fall out from Tech 1.0 and subprime going boom. This made me appreciate social democracy a lot more. One thing I noticed about the 2024 election is that it can't seem to compete with crypto.
We really are in such a tough spot. Most Americans need a steady stream of basest-instinct-affirming bullshit to support someone, but we also have the educated people who just won't stand for that and want real solutions to real problems.
I don't think you win this fight with logic. You win it by creating a different 'in' group, because it's about identity, which is funny since one of the big complaints is that the left plays too much identity politics. But MAGA is about being part of something. So make populism more fun than MAGA.
Problem that arises is that the Left ends up being treated as total 'pie in the sky' despite having very real ideas, while RW nonsense is seen as "totally legit" even as they're just spewing an endless fountain of bullshit out of their collective mouths.
MAGA and MAGA-adjacent men see their power over women fading. These insecure, frustrated, faux-Christian, macho-pretend men cannot exist without a submissive woman to validate their ‘superiority’ and ‘usefulness.’
Real men value & support women instead of feeling threatened.
Clearly it needs to be counted with something. Solving the corporate manipulation of the algos would help, but young men feel lost and angry and we need some kind of intervention
If you take a look at the rate at which sexual assaults are reported, the rate that reported assaults lead to an arrest, and the rate that arrests result in convictions, you'd think that they had already legalized it.
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It may not be serious, but the right are succeeding. They aren’t all that different from the Taliban, at this point.
Also, rich is subjective and so is work. The right is telling young men of a certain complexion that every gain by someone else was stolen from them. Thats not the same as what youre saying its meant to stoke VIOLENCE
The cultural basis of Dedovshchina is made up of traditions, customs and rituals that are passed down from conscript to conscript. Often (but not always), these traditions and rituals are associated with the humiliation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina?wprov=sfti1#
Besides that, their lust to dominate powerful women is comical. How did codependency become an achievement? "I want you, I love you, now change."
This apparently has a history going back to the czar’s
He has no job, sits at home all day smoking weed and playing video games. I saw one woman leave that house once and he was screaming that everything bad in his life was her fault.
"No."
🤦♀️ Okay. Little more. Almost there. Women want a partner, not a man-child. If skills aren’t equal, we can barter skillsets.
knowing how to be DECENT is what incels need. may they never get laid until they do.
Nope
Oh...and they'll still be incels taking handies when offered.
And then they say everyone ELSE ‘is lazy’
Want a job? Be the guy they want to hire.
I'd bet that man and that guy isn't an asshole.
Pretty much ends then conversation. 🤷🏼♀️
Blame the billionaires. Seriously, when they don't get dates by being an asshole, or get rich without working, it's the billionaires fault.
The Right tells people what they want to hear.
The Left tells people what they need to hear.
The Right tries to make politics into "entertainment"
The Left makes politics into life-or-death
Real men value & support women instead of feeling threatened.
"No, no, no.
Quicker. Easier. More seductive."