Saw a post on TikTok about Columbia taking away degrees backfiring, and it made me realize - taking Degrees is way as punishment demonstrates how these institutions believe that their mission is conferring privilege and not providing education.
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This is why Im not surprised at colleges not standing by their students. Look at how expensive it is just to go to college. When was the last time these institutions cared about you as a student or as a person?
I googled "Columbia University" and "degree retractions" and the only thing that came up was the TikTok video. Where can I find more information about this?
Ah, thanks. Looks like the revocations are temporary (which is of course a pretty vague metric). I didn't realize this was in relation to the protests a year ago; I thought it was new news.
It is new news. Protesters from a year ago are having their degrees revoked today in response to the administration cracking down on old protests to Israel.
Columbia University has been around for like 275 years. You'd think they'd be able to take a long view of things. I dunno, it seems like making potential students and donors despise you in order to get Donald Trump to like you isn't going to turn out to be a world-beating strategy.
Everyone with a degree from Columbia should form a class action and sue the school to get tuition refunded because the school's actions have degraded the value of the degree.
Everyone in the administration that greenlit THIS ACTION must face legal and lasting punishment.
In ACTUAL jail, for DECADES (as long as it takes to get those degrees)
Also this is the post - although i can only HOPE there are media institutions that still want to hire principled journalists tho https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2ckSsxW/
Also, it invalidates the concept of a degree as verification of having absorbed a set of experiences and skills. That’s actually not something that can be removed.
That was always the mission. Almost every single degree'd discipline and profession we have today existed, in some form or another, for millennium before "colleges" or "certifications" existed.
It's a contractual violation of student and alumni rights, on Columbia's part. Every course syllabus has course and grade requirements; every catalog has graduation requirements. Having done the work and paid the tuition, Columbia grads have earned degrees, full stop. Hope they get lawyers asap.
When I graduated I literally thought to myself "I took out 130,000 in loans and slaved away for 5 years to get a piece of paper that says I'm allowed to get a job"
It is also academic dishonesty by the university. It's like a university pressuring a researcher to retract a paper that has results unfavorable to a major donor.
It displays a privilege to even be considered for the ability to network with the spawn of the wealthy good ole boys club that are out in positions of power.
It's the *only* real point of ivy league schools. You can easily get as good, if not better, education at non ivy league public colleges.
It's amazing how few people either never realize it or suppress the realization because it screws with the foundation of the worldview they were taught as children.
Yep. My wife's second job is as a part time professor and I'm extremely proud of her. I'm also deeply enraged by it because she does easily 4x the work I do and it is more difficult, but she makes less than half I do from it on an hourly basis.
It's essentially the only point of any private school. That and segregating children away from normal people to groom the illusion of wealth and competency into them, or religion depending on the flavor of school, which is basically the same anyway as religion is another tool of control.
but given the choice again, I'd still go to college, even though the debt really screwed me for a good decade, just because of how valuable having a familiarity with history, sociology, and statistics, among everything else is to me and the choices I make.
the debt is why I regret ever going. without the fun that's gonna come if trump decides to go after all 8 million of us who can't afford to pay it would be a wash
Yeah the debt is horrible. It used to not be anywhere near this bad but Reagan massively restructured student loans to inflict pain on us and the Republicans have continued to destroy our education system while at the same time guaranteeing free money to private loan providers.
Your experience is very different from mine then. I have not been exposed to very many different cultures or domains of knowledge in either my previous chemistry career nor my current IT career.
In my self study, I thought I understood a lot more than I really did because I didn't have any guidance
It took working with experienced people who could explain the subtle nuances between concepts before I could really understand what I was doing rather than aping what other people had figured out. I'm not saying self study is bad, it's inefficient and can lead to significant misunderstanding.
Well, yeah. As someone who has a degree from one of those fancy universities, it is not necessarily **my name** on the diploma that opens doors and is offered unsolicited opportunities. The privilege of association and alumni networking is tremendous.
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nothing about modern education is about education lmao
it's about conditioning everyone with the imperial mindset
In ACTUAL jail, for DECADES (as long as it takes to get those degrees)
#BoycottColumbia
It's the *only* real point of ivy league schools. You can easily get as good, if not better, education at non ivy league public colleges.
It's amazing how few people either never realize it or suppress the realization because it screws with the foundation of the worldview they were taught as children.
It is criminal how underpaid education jobs are.
I personally believe that our society has advanced enough that a college degree should be mandatory.
I don't use my college degree in my career anymore. I'm self taught,
i have been more exposed to those things both through my work and my personal studies
and the more I learn on my own the more I see just how deficient the things I learned in college are
it's probably worse than not for people to take a political studies class than not
In my self study, I thought I understood a lot more than I really did because I didn't have any guidance
it's time we re-evaluate using a model designed for upper class British school boys as the gold standard for education