Three forums found that Trump is an insurrectionist Trump's second impeachment trial, a state court ruling in Colorado, and the bipartisan House January 6 Committee. Roberts knows Trump is not a legitimate USA President. Roberts refuses to enforce the US Constitution.
A majority of the US Supreme Court overturned the Colorado ruling, which means the CO ruling isn't valid. The impeachment trial resulted in No Conviction. A House committee has no authority by itself.
You can believe it, but that's not enough for the 14th Am.
Three forums found that Trump is an insurrectionist Trump's second impeachment trial, a state court ruling in Colorado, and the bipartisan House January 6 Committee. Roberts knows Trump is not a legitimate USA President. Roberts refuses to enforce the US Constitution.
An impeachment is like an indictment - it is NOT a conviction. The House J6 Committee was “bipartisan” only because 2 brave Republicans agreed to be on it. The single State Court ruling was turned back by SCOTUS.
Unfortunately, so many people on the left are just setting themselves up to have their hearts broken, all over again.
I totally understand why they want to be hopeful, but this isn’t a movie. The good guys can’t swoop in and save us at the last moment. The electorate just gave us a 4 year fight. 😐
Exactly. People desperately want someone external to themselves to fix everything. The way a democracy works is for all of us to do our part, most importantly, during an election.
@bmeiselas.bsky.social stop being a crybaby ass bitch about how you’re not the smartest person in the room. Even @glennkirschner.bsky.social agrees with the evidence I, @jessicadenson07.bsky.social, and many other brought forth.
Your continuous undermining of 14/3 is weird af bro. Grow up
Ben stampeded over Harry Litman…!! It was very much hard to watch. He was only a little bit reserved with Glenn Kirschner… and that’s saying something. I appreciate you holding their feet to the fire and your liberal use of sweary words!!
What’s up with that Webb guy today did you see his museum post? I’m seeing a lot of two faced bs happening on Bluesky and I’m not ok with this one teeny bit. We must speak truth to these larger accounts who are abusing their platform. WTF?! 🤬
Indeed!! Truth matters!! It’s unreal how MTN and others are unabashedly negating any opportunity to stop T from taking office. No stone left unturned!! I am also riled up and waiting to see how the coming week flows. I am thinking about how to remind MTN daily re their shenanigans and villainy.
Agree. Even legal scholars say the same. But what gets me is all this contradictory info on the law. Can someone decide & if they don't know, then take it to the SCOTUS so we can have their corrupt asses on file for the history books.
It’s wouldn’t go to SCOTUS they have no power over the electoral college vote. They only had power to give him presidential immunity and bar him from going to prison. They didn’t bar him from being disqualified bc they can’t.
The Supreme Clergy says it doesn't say what it says; Trump is ineligible to serve as POTUS because he's an insurrectionist. They don't want to look at facts and lordy how they want to stay away from textualism on this one.
Just make it go away.
Clarence needs a new RV too.
Regarding the Colorado ballot issue, Trump's legal team argued that the 14th amendment states one may not hold office, not whether one can run. Yes, they did that.
You are basically saying that Trump is going to get certified no matter what, so don’t try. I strongly disagree. How many things has Trump succeeded in that were complete losers? You win by relentlessly pushing. Start now and oppose certification. Grow a pair.
I’m not interested in wasting time and energy chasing a doomed action based on a faulty understanding of civics. You’re asking Dems to decertify an election SCOTUS said Trump was eligible to run in. Sounds a lot like what we were mad at Republicans for 4 years ago.
The Constitution does not bar felons from running for the presidency or assuming the office if they win. Do I like that? No. But that’s our current law.
And the SCOTUS has already determined that states can not force the 14th amendment only Congress can and dems do not have the majority to make it happen. It is a lost cause whether you like it or not.
The Dems are also oligarchs taking bribes too &THAT is why rapist, felon, traitor Trump's fat child rapist ass is NOT in a cell already.The Dems are just as complicit as the Repukes.All criminals feeling they are all above the law. This is the only explanation.😡Chaos and violence is lack of justice
No. People want Dems to actually *fight* for once and not bend the knee to keep what little power they have. Trump is *DISQUALIFIED* for the Presidency because he incited an *insurrection against the United States*. Even if they fail, their oath of office DEMANDS that they try.
You’re wrong. SCOTUS said he can be on the ballot since it’s his constitutional right. That’s why there’s a guardrail, Count Act, to stop the American people for voting in an ineligible insurrectionist. You don’t know what you’re talking about so stop.
Stopping a certification means that Congress sets aside the electoral votes for at least one state. I.e. those votes aren’t counted towards the totals. That is not, in any way shape or form, the same thing as objecting to the vote.
BlueMAGA is a thing, and they are as much in their own Wonderland as MAGA.
Many scholars don't believe the 14th applies to the office of President at all, as it's left off the long list of specific offices it applies to. And the Constitution treats the President differently than other offices.
It absolutely won’t be successful. Just like we knew the senate wouldn’t have convicted him after impeachment. But we impeached him all the same. Most folks I talk to would appreciate the attempt.
No, but I hope the point is raised. We obviously need major election/ service reform in our government, and it won’t happen in the next 4 years, but I want to hope it will someday.
It needs to be done also if not successful. This is to make clear what happens and that the democrats condemn it because it’s against the constitution.
Yep. The Congressional Record is permanent. The fact that the complaint is raised will live on as a black mark on Trump's legacy, even if it's immediately shelved.
No matter their party, they all took the same Damm oath to the Constitution and why in the fuck isn't everyone screaming this from the rooftops?
What is the freaking point of a Constitution or laws, they've just became old parchment paper in a frame!!
I agree. It would not be successful, but it would put it on the record. And just as it was stated, the impeachment was doomed to fail, but it is on the record and always will be.
And do not for one second think this present congress is going to impeach trump. There is nothing he can do that will be an impeachment offense for them. He could give our country's secrets away to Russia in a televised event, and they still wouldn't think it was impeachable.
YES!
Not just appreciate, say it’s essential.
OK to lose. Not OK not to fight.
Too bad @meidastouch.com doesn’t get that.
We are losing our republic to dicta!
Have to disagree. It would be a show, virtue signaling when what we REALLY need are concrete and actionable strategies to counteract what is coming. Too many on the left will consider something like what you are proposing as ACTUAL resistance.
i just wish people would face the fact THE ONLY WAY to prevent whats coming was for EVERYONE to get off their asses and their high horses and vote harris+walz.
it was important.
and not enough people did that.
for all the post mortems and condemnations after the fact,
Exactly right. The convicted felon keeps lying, the least we can do is keep holding his feet to the accountability fires, even if all that comes from it is that we keep him from erasing his felonies.
It could have negative ramifications for democrats. How does it look for the party that condemned Jan6 to have their own Jan6? I know it's not the same, but the criticism ad nauseum could hurt next election cycle.
How does it look for the party that condemned J6 to peacefully transfer the country over to a convicted felon, insurrectionist, adulterer, con man, serial liar, adjudicated rapist?
I believe your understanding of Insurrectionist, according to the Constitution, is faulty. Those other things have no bearing on his qualification for President.
In answer to your question, it will look like democrats are the party of law and order and Constitution.
PLEASE! Enough with the handwringing! That's impotent and pathetic and it's what Democrats ALWAYS do. 11 million Democrats stayed home on on Election Day because of it. Need I remind you that the party that NEVER indulges in such futile behavior WON?
When people don't even try, it's just a sign of capitulation. If we don't keep fighting -that- is when they have won, because opposition to injustice is not even being attempted.
The attempt would be performative only, serving only to try and soothe the left -- or rile them up when it inevitably fails. It's really not worth the effort. Better to focus on how to put roadblocks in Trump's way for the next 4 years, and concentrate on taking back a majority in 2026.
This would be a roadblock. Do something now. Put a roadblock every step of the way. If they can’t do something, then I’m fucking done voting for them. What’s the fucking point of voting for Dems if they’re going to constantly roll over like pathetic pieces of shit?
The time for Democrats to act was when Schumer was still Senate Majority Leader. Schumer did nothing. Has done nothing for the past 4 years. Democrats need to purge the old useless out of touch regime & allow people under 70 to lead.
I'm a fan of general strikes. They f*ck people, walk out for a day. They don't listen, walk out for two days. They have a tantrum, walk out for four.
Stock up, hoard cash, be ready.
Yeah I had to look into it recently to understand this and let go of that false hope. It’s why it’s not being raised and it’s best for all our mental and emotional energy to let go of what is not possible of happening.
For some of us at least it has nothing to do with hope. We know nobody in power, no institution, will do anything to save the republic. They'd rather let it burn.
But we want to make clear we see what they're doing (and not doing).
It’s funny to me that there’s so many people who believe Republicans absolutely won’t side with democrats for any reason. Last time I checked Mike Pence chose country over party and there were a whole group of Republicans for Harris during the election. So little faith in the moderates.
As do the people who oppose Trump & the Republican agenda & yet recognize that the 14th Amendment is NOT an option. Recognizing the reality of a situation doesn’t mean a person doesn’t oppose the incoming administration or the GOP plans.
It might mean they’re not going to waste effort on a meaningless, performative protest & instead focus on action that can actually blunt or impede this administration’s plans.
Ahh it's meaningless to you. So ppl shouldn't try to hold their representative lawmakers accountable to uphold their oaths then, to keep out a traitor bought & paid for by billionaires/oligarchs, bc that's pipe dreaming magical thinking?
Which amendment do you think is next on the chopping block?
Imo it would be more productive for people to work to abolish gerrymandering so they could elect reps who actually represent the people accurately. With gerrymandering, there’s no reason for reps to listen to voters becuz many voters aren’t represented fairly.
If Congress followed the Constitution by invoking it, taking the vote and even the probable hit of losing, I would have a reason to know, not believe but know, they are serious about protecting our democracy. Not to act is capitulation.
The guardrails and accountability have been removed by corrupt Republicans, so things are about to get much worse than the Turd's previous 4 years. Buckle up.
I’m wondering if they wait, and use the 25th amendment to remove him. Everyone knows he’s mental. I say that because, we’re not seeing Vance. I think that is by design. And NO I’m not a conspiracy theorist.🤔
The real question is can Trump legally be POTUS if he cannot effectively take the oath of office because he has proven with his January 6, 2021 insurrection actions that he will not uphold the oath. The SCOTUS did not rule on whether Trump committed insurrection, but the Colorado SCOTUS said he did.
Trump didn't need to be charged with insurrection as Amendment 14, Section 3 is for administrative compliance not criminal. A government body within USA's judicial system declared by finding of fact after reviewing evidence that Trump engaged in insurrection type activities...all that was needed.
Did you all miss the SCOTUS MAGA-6 reversal of Colorado SCOTUS ruling that disqualified Trump on the basis of Amendment 14, Section 3. You need to thank our SCOTUS MAGA-6 for usurping the United States of America's Constitution and paving the way for the next Trump presidency.
Both judgments notionally rest on a consequential logic of democratic defense — but both judgments inflict serious harms on the project of enduring democratic rule. It is the aim of this Comment to start to measure the bounds of that damage.
I have not argued for the 14th amendment for the reasons you listed. However, when there was Russian collusion (again) campaign finance cheating (again) and election interference (again) it was the Democrats responsibility to call it out and demand an investigation. Instead we had radio silence.
Democrats have apparently memory holed the hundreds of bomb threats against their voters, ballot boxes set on fire, mailed ballots unaccounted for. I did not hear one D politician speak out. Instead they are treating this like a normal election when in fact the Republicans cheated.
I mean, has he been threatened or what? I respect president Biden and supported Dems all the way through ballot curing. But this is not normal and Dems need to stop helping to normalize us all the way into fascism.
Thanks for the concise explainer. I was pretty sure there was no meat to the posts I’ve been seeing. This helps and I am putting a pin in it for future reference so I can link it as a reply when I see the next one.
It's definitely not that simple. Marbury v. Madison & Cooper v. Aaron be damned, SCOTUS cannot make the rightfully elected democratic reps vote to confirm. They could formally protest, citing the 14A which they have a duty to uphold irrespective of bad caselaw. Dedication to the truth matters.
People are idiots. You can't magically invoke the 14th amendment against a candidate that has never been charged, tried and convicted of insurrection. We have people who were. They are not eligible. Please stop being stupid.
Regardless of the House majority & procedure, Dems need to stand up& be on record rejecting electoral votes, based simply on INELIGIBILTY - nothing I've seen, read, or heard yet changes the facts & findings on that! If no one stands up now, WHEN????!
The Supreme Court ruled that Trump was eligible to run in this election. The voters then chose him to be our next president. Certifying this election IS upholding their oath to the Constitution.
Even if impractical or seemingly impossible, it is still worth making a fuss over a President of the US being sworn in when it is unconstitutional. To those that can/want to demonstrate in DC, thank you!
It's about being on the right side of history. Would this effort succeed? Considering that the Dems have already surrendered, I would say not. But the effort means something.
You offer surrender as the only option. I disagree. Sometimes it matters to be the one to say, "This is wrong."
The Supreme Court ruled that Trump was eligible to run in this election. The voters then chose him to be our next president. Certifying this election IS upholding their oath to the Constitution.
My opinion on this narrow matter hardly means that I think that we should surrender.
There is enough evidence of election interference that the Dems should have conducted an investigation. They could make an effort. I feel that their failure to do so is capitulation.
Also, as a gentle reminder, the rule is separate but equal.
Where have you been? The 14th Amendment and the rest of the constitution are null and void under Moscow Mitch's illegitimate, crooked, bribed-bought-and-paid-for kangaroo court. It's been big news. How did you miss it?
I have no idea why you think I’ve missed any of this. I’m well aware of every single legal challenge against the 14th amendment that’s happened over the last year and a half. Why aren’t you?
Are they talking about the next four years? Trump is going to never leave office unless it’s in a box and then he’s going to distribute power to his family. That’s why he has been besties with Putin because Putin figured out how to stay in office.
At this point, success or failure isn’t what matters- it’s identifying our allies in our government for the fight ahead. I, for one, want to know exactly who those people are
Do you think people don’t know about January 6th? Do you think anyone who doesn’t know will find out because Congress brought it up during a pretty boring vote? They’s already a lengthy congressional record on January 6th, what do you hope is added to it now?
I’m already on the right side of history. January 6 was in be of the worst days in American history and the attackers should never see the light of day again. It is beyond tragedy that Trump is returning to the White House.
I’m just not certain what more is to be accomplished on Monday.
If you are in a position to stand up to authoritarianism and say "no," then that is what there is to be accomplished. Do not acquiesce to a would-be dictator.
Insurrection: Prohibits anyone who engaged in insurrection against the United States from holding civil, military, or elected office. While he escaped accountability, he was impeached. This, and the fact that he is a convicted felon, should be entered as an objection to his becoming president.
Agree and understand the issue is known. It is a formality that seems necessary on this occasion. Otherwise it is as if it doesn't matter. We are all looking the other way while someone in violation of our law gets to be president.
Those who are paying enough attention to notice an objection know it matters and don’t need the reminder. To those not paying attention it doesn’t matter.
And objecting to a legal election is problematic, isn’t it? The symbolic move cuts both ways.
Bravo. Presented in a way that the click through attention-spanned can digest.
Move on folks. What is by definition a Political remedy can only be applied through Political means. The Political dynamic necessary today does not exist.
Maybe the fundamental problem is that a constitution that was designed to be dynamic - ended up being being a subject of veneration - maybe there is where the considerations should begin ❤️
I think Dems should do more performative things, like the GOP does. It seems to work with voters.
Of course, the Tr-p election will definitely be certified.
But, a performative bringing up and addressing the 14th Amendment on the record is going to look good for the Dems.
Difference of opinion on that. If even the most anti-Establishment Democrats are holding back, it means they don't agree that it would be useful politically -- and think instead it makes them look like wild-eyed sore losers who are playing games to satisfy their most radical supporters.
At this point, I don't personally think the Dems are good judges of what voters will think.
I agree it will have no political or electoral effect, Tr-p will be certified.
There's maybe 5% of good, useful democrats.
The rest might as well fuck off for all the good they do, not to mention the shit they pull against their own. Katie Porter should be a senator,remember what Pelosi pulled, fuck the old guard.
Well just the appearance of a fight would go a long way for the Dems. What is being stated is what has driven voters from the Dems in recent years. Sitting on their hands has done nothing!
There is an age requirement to run for president in the Constitution. May I suggest you read the Constitution if you want to comment on Constitutional conversations.
I don’t understand how this is so difficult. All anyone needs to do is watch the videos from that day. The Jan 6 committee has done all the work that needs done. I’m sickened by his upcoming presidency.
Was Trump ever charged or convicted for Jan. 6? No, he wasn’t. According to the law, he needs to be convicted. He was impeached, but the Senate did not convict him.
They have control of SCOTUS. Trump has been granted that fantastical absolute immunity he’s been daydreaming of. He’ll deem everything. He’s done an official act and will be immune from any liability. I’ll put this here that I will not be shocked if he has people assassinated.
So basically, there is nothing Dems can do (no exec action. Etc) to stop this farce from continuing? Very disheartening that our laws allow a convicted felon and his benefactors to hijack an election…. But thanks for your explanation.
Even if by some miracle Trump gets DQ'd then the Electoral Count Act comes into play and that, like the 14th A, hasn't been applied. A challenge under the ECA would hinge on one term “regularly given.” Should it somehow survive that, then the 20th A comes into play and then we likely get
President JD Vance. Do you prefer a predictable narcissist who's a lame duck or an unpredictable chameleon whose masters will do everything possible to ensure he gets a 2d term? In any event, it's a mess and we're screwed either way!
Vance doesn't have the power or money to do the same damage as trump. By no means an improvement, but a lesser evil. He'd be a dead fly under America's shoe.
Why I repeat Why are the politicians doing anything about this. The constitution clearly states no one who partakes in an insurrection can be president. And yet here we are!
The enforcement of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment involves both state and federal mechanisms, with historical precedence showing Congressional authority as PIVOTAL in its application. It's upto congress to not certify the election or create a mechnisim to remove him from office.
I haven't seen a single representative, not even the most radical lefties, suggest they intend to do this tomorrow. None. Much less "every," or even "a lot."
Do you know if we could do something about it we would have already done it it's not up to us it's up to our congressman the ones that don't seem to have a backbone these days.
I don't understand why it would matter that there are more Republicans. If they've taken an oath to uphold the constitution and aren't absolute imbeciles and criminals, who shouldn't be in office, then their moral duty is to vote to disqualify Trump! He's an insurrectionist and a danger to USA!
Seriously, if they cared about their oath, they would’ve voted to impeach him. People can’t be naïve & expect Republicans to start doing the right thing now.
We absolutely need to keep our minds focused on true things. It’s so hard and sometimes demoralizing. But we can’t fantasize about what can be done about Trump and the Republicans. That’s not giving up though, because it allows us to strategize better when we aren’t distracted by nonstarters.
I agree the Dems need to fight they need to object Trump he should be disqualified. My question is : Does the Dems has fear because of Trump and his maga supporters what will they do?
He *should* be disqualified. He *should* not be President. However, at this point we would be stuck with Vance and his tech bros. Of course, they would love to get rid of the old goat!
Not necessarily. There is an argument that the presidency will be passed to the next candidate with the most electoral votes which would be Harris, not Vance.
Either way, it would lead to a constitutional crisis which at this point, I would welcome. Better that than handing power over to Trump.
I can accept the guaranteed failure IF the attempt is actually made. Truthfully though I have already accepted that it's up to us as the Democrats have shown a complete unwillingness to pull the damn trigger when they have the chance.
The insurrection-- and yes, I will call it that to the day I die-- triggered a 4 year window to hold Trump accountable. That window closes today. Though some like Smith and Pelosi gave a heroic effort, others like Garland and Schumer squandered our chance and have allowed this window to close.
I think the argument is that Democrats should play performative theater-games to show something something to their base -- instead of doing what the Electoral Count Act intends, treat the certification as a purely ceremonial formality of tallying results.
Actually my argument is that the performative theater games they have been playing has very clearly not worked. I no longer hold any faith whatsoever in Congressional Democrats. I will focus on local and state level races and just people doing what they can.
None of this relevant.
The disqualification doesn’t require action, it takes place automatically. Congress has to vote to override the disqualification and allow the insurrectionist back into office.
You are full of shit. SCOTUS said that the state could not remove Trump from the Republican primary ballot. They hinted that they would rule in his favor in the general, but did not rule on that specific issue. So, take it to the Supreme Court and let them twist themselves into pretzels for Trump.
You live in a Banana Republic you Dimwits, maybe you should try to Eliminate all the racist bigoted Morons and their children who voted him in . Not prepared to do it ? Eat shit and enjoy the fascism with your kids that you earned through cowardice!
If another pandemic (bird flu?) hits the racist bigoted Moron’s stoopidity will do it for us. We would try to minimize the collateral damage from their selfishness but it would be sad.
Trump trying to revoke the 14th Amendment without a Constitutional Convention or 3/4 Majority of states approval is clearly illegal.
Even a temporary executive order would go to the Supreme Crooks and even those dorks can't deny clear Constitutional writ. But wait-
haven't those guys done it befor
No matter we need every avenue to prevent the Traitor from becoming president. He STOLE THE ELECTION. HE NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED! Little by little evidence is coming out. We need that to prevent him from taking office!
I don't have any idea what "evidence" you're talking about. No one has challenged the results in any state. No one. No voter, no voting rights organization, not Harris, no one. There is no challenge.
Promoting this nonsense marks you as either hopelessly naive, or a troll.
You are wrong. SCOTUS said STATES cannot remove a candidate for Federal Office based on 14.3 and only Congress can do that via legislation. Period. They cannot rule on if 14.3 remains the law of the land. It REMAINS the responsibility of both the Legislative and Executive branch to enforce it now.
I quite literally said in my post that the only solution that SCOTUS details is for Congress to pass a bill. Congress passes laws; they aren’t the ones to enforce laws.
I answer already that you are incorrect. That is not what SCOTUS said. What they said only pertains to a state not having authority to remove a candidate for federal office based on 14.3. Only Congress can do that by legislation. Enforcing 14.3 itself was not ruled on in the judgement.
SC ruled he could be on the ballot, but didn't say if he could hold office or not.
That is the challenge that needs to happen, imo.
The constitution is pretty clear. Make them state their opposition to the actual words.
Didn't members of congress take an oath to uphold the constitution, including amendment14? By certifying trump, aren't they in violation of their oath?
I’m confused I thought that if somebody in Congress said that he was ineligible because of the 14th amendment that it took 2/3 of the house in the Senate to override the “disability” I didn’t know they have to pass a law. That’s insane.
This is not what the Constitution says and this is not how it's been done before. This is clearly a rogue agency trying to uphold their dictator God king, and should be ignored as such.
Here's the deal: a fascist that wants to shred the constitution entirely is about to be installed, and an equally corrupt supreme Court is colluding, going outside the boundaries of cases.
Well congress had plenty of time to pass that law! The Insurrection was in 2021. We all knew Trump was going to run again, infact I don't think he ever left. He was pulling the strings the whole time
#SCOTUS is illegitimate too. Thomas is corrupt. Gorsuch should never have been seated, that was Obama's pick, and Kavanaugh was never properly vetted. ACB liked under oath along with the other two about Roe v. Wade.
Felon Trump's next two picks will be illegitimate as well since he is illegitimate.
Please go to @gregpalast.bsky.social and see the main reason we are where we are. Yet the Dems did nothing to stop this. All so they don’t look like “election deniers”
In November, voters voted in Trump as president and Republicans to be the majority in the House and the Senate. Explain to me why you think it was our elected Dems’ responsibility to “stop this.”
I am disappointed that there are no "Dem groups" (mailing lists, women's groups, etc.) pushing for their members to call on Congress to refuse to certify based on the 14th Amendment clause-it is unforgivable. Every newspaper should have headlines emblazoned with "CONVICTED FELON TO BECOME PRESIDENT"
I don't really appreciate that sort of retort, friend. Why don't you try being nice? So, just because you said something I'm supposed to bow down? This period in time is about doing exactly the opposite. Why no pushback from our reps?
I’m explaining why chasing the 14th is a pipe dream and, by the way, only being pushed by leftists who like to direct hate at Dems, and you chime in with a comment complaining about why “Dems aren’t doing anything.” My original response to you is self explanatory.
Better a pipe dream than no dream at all. Just remember you're not on Twitter here and many of us are on the same side. Too bad you couldn't see that. Snotty retorts just get people like me pissed off at you. So please don't do it.
There are a lot of people pushing it on social media. No one's organizing it because -- as this thread helpful details -- it is a total loser of an argument and an utter waste of organizing energy. If you want to call your member of Congress tomorrow morning, feel free.
People need to stop looking for quick fixes and prepare to fight in the long term. The country fucked up and put a rapist in, now we all have to deal with the aftermath and try to salvage what's left of our democracy in 2 years. Don't like the outcome of elections? Use your damn voice and vote.
Obviously, there is no quick fix, and I never said that there was. What I said is that it matters that we try. Even if there is no chance of success, it matters that we try.
I refer you to the slimmest House majority in 100 years. Nothing will get passed without D votes. And any EO's that harm will be met with lawsuits. It's why Biden put so many Judges on the bench, to protect us from Jackhole.
And I remind you that through gerrymandering, changing voter eligibilty rules, and Musk's shady a.f. voting machines, there's already enough evidence to suggest that MAGA stole the 2024 election.
Again...part of Project 2025 is to ensure that all future elections will be predetermined.
Way ahead of you. 🙂 Jessica Denson has been leading a tiny bit determined little movement to try to convince Congress to enforce the 14th amendment. It's shouting at a hurricane, guaranteed to fail. But it matters to try. Cheers!
You have to think like Trump. He makes up his own rules. He has immunity. He can ignore the constitution, fire congress and the Supremes and bang. He’s Dictator for life.
No, you don't have to think like him. You should think about what's able to actually happen and not. He can't fire Congress/SCOTUS. Yes, he has immunity for official acts, but those who carry it out don't. And he can't serve more than 4 more years. SCOTUS can't even give that to him.
It's too late. The time to bring up the 14th amendment was before the first Biden/trump debate in June. Once they acknowledged him as a legit candidate, it was just too late. Biden should have said, "when you get an eligible candidate, then we'll debate" and had done with it.
I’ve wondered about that. I have no evidence just speculation. i dont know if they would anything out if it though. Trump is doing what others are telling him to and supporters are not as motivated by vance as they are for trump.
JD is smarter but negative charisma. Trump is easy to manipulate if they keep him in office, throw him a bone with his vile plans, and let him golf more than last time.
One of my pet peeves, in addition to “march to stop” messages are the send $. Call me stupid but I believed it was important and donated lots in 2023. I did not fall for the “just send $5 more…”. If my $5 makes that much difference on these big issues I can’t imagine how much trouble we’re in.
All too true. That’s why we need to develop a strategy that will work. That strategy has to be prioritized too. We won’t be able to counter everything but there are some things we must counter, thru the courts, legislative action, or whatever.
They already let us down. Today, they will "peacefully transition" us to an insurrectionist, adjudicated sexual abuser with 34 felony charges and then claim we are the greatest country in the world.
It stands to reason that each person who supported Trump, as a convicted felon and insurrectionist, should be held accountable to the article 14 as well for giving aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. The beginning states that no one can take the oath to be in Congress having done so.
Where are they now? Fighting to Win against the Russiapublicans who are chaos Merchants disguised as Americans? That’s the only explanation I can see why this country is so messed up and becoming a dictatorship. No recount,like the Harris administration gave up on the fight to win for democracy!📱
Why aren’t you aware of the many recounts that happened in the states?
Besides, you can’t count votes that aren’t there. Democrats failed Harris when they didn’t get themselves and their friends off their couches to vote for her.
I keep saying this and I’m not about to stop, the Colorado Supreme Court determined that d trump incited the insurrection and used the 14th amendment, section 3 to do so. The United States Supreme Court supported Colorado’s Supreme Court ruling. trump should not be inaugurated. Not eligible, ever.
I went back and located the YouTube video that explains this in far greater detail than I could ever. Look up Prosecutor on Whether Congress can block trump’s Certification. This should help significantly. I have heard several explanations but kept looking until I found someone who explained it well
That’s not correct. The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Colorado Supreme Court ruling but they put in a side note that was not to be considered in light of there ruling, it has a name in legal language but I am not familiar with it. There is a YouTube on this.
No they did NOT uphold the Colorado SC decision. Like I said ALL 9 voted that states CAN NOT disqualify someone from running for potus through the 14th amendment. What they disagreed on was how it should be handled at a federal level and since that was not what was brought before them they tabled….1
I have, in an earlier comment by you included the YouTube title that explained it very well. I am certainly no legal scholar, I studied biology, so I’m certainly not saying you are wrong, however please view the video and let me know what you think. I really want the truth on this.
The Supreme Court ruled the Trump was eligible to run in the election. The voters chose him to be our next president. Certifying the election tomorrow IS upholding the constitution.
Furthermore, I do not believe this was a free /fair election, when muskrat was paying ppl to vote for djt in PA, everyone knows that's b s, and starlink is crafty
If we’re just going to ignore one Constitutional amendment, why not just ignore any of them? This is how corruption begins and destroys us in the end. Break the law without consequences. USA, over and out.
The Supreme Court interpreted the 14th A, they aren’t ignoring it. We may not like their interpretation (an unfortunate situation we find ourselves in more and more), but we need to use proper language.
There's only one problem with invoking the 14th amendment. Trump was charged with inciting insurrection, but never tried and convicted of same. That loophole is what is going to allow the traitorous lump to take office!
Let's see....How would Republicans arrnge to get rid of, say, President Harris, given Trump's ability to whip his supporters into a crazed, violent frenzy......plus, rank-and-file GOP politicians' blind loyalty to echo whatever madness he spews.....
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You can believe it, but that's not enough for the 14th Am.
I totally understand why they want to be hopeful, but this isn’t a movie. The good guys can’t swoop in and save us at the last moment. The electorate just gave us a 4 year fight. 😐
SCOTUS has no power over the electoral college vote. Only 20% of Congress is needed to object under the Count Act.
2/3 majority to REMOVE the disqualification.
The Justices gave him immunity on presidential act not disqualification from office.
Your continuous undermining of 14/3 is weird af bro. Grow up
We need to be better than right-wing media. The truth matters!
If they vote him in that’s a violation of their oath.
Invoke the 14th or don't.
That is all.
Just make it go away.
Clarence needs a new RV too.
https://hls.harvard.edu/today/does-the-14th-amendment-bar-donald-trump-from-running-for-president/
Anyone who votes to allow him in is violating the constitution by aiding an insurrectionist,
I expect a retraction or apology for saying I am “spreading misinformation.”
Go read the Supreme Court decision and show me where they say that Dems objecting to the electoral votes will negate Trump’s win.
Many scholars don't believe the 14th applies to the office of President at all, as it's left off the long list of specific offices it applies to. And the Constitution treats the President differently than other offices.
No matter their party, they all took the same Damm oath to the Constitution and why in the fuck isn't everyone screaming this from the rooftops?
What is the freaking point of a Constitution or laws, they've just became old parchment paper in a frame!!
Not just appreciate, say it’s essential.
OK to lose. Not OK not to fight.
Too bad @meidastouch.com doesn’t get that.
We are losing our republic to dicta!
it was important.
and not enough people did that.
for all the post mortems and condemnations after the fact,
we the people failed.
In answer to your question, it will look like democrats are the party of law and order and Constitution.
https://hls.harvard.edu/today/does-the-14th-amendment-bar-donald-trump-from-running-for-president/
Pathetic
Fight in ways that actually have a chance of working.
That's what this is about.
I'm tired of performative protests that don't translate to votes.
Stock up, hoard cash, be ready.
The party should fight even when they know they can’t win. Voters want their elected representatives to be scrappy fighters, not genial legislators.
This is the current state of politics, whether or not Dems want it to be.
I'm just tired of all of the performative theatrics that don't result in votes or results.
Speak out against Trump, obviously. Nobody is saying be silent.
I don't know when futile gestures became "how you fight back".
I don't know how it will play out tomorrow or if Harris or Congress will uphold their oath to the Constitution, but actually read the Amendment. Last line of section 3 is clear as day.
https://bsky.app/profile/we-all-do-better.bsky.social/post/3lezqhafcb22k
But we want to make clear we see what they're doing (and not doing).
Which amendment do you think is next on the chopping block?
#RepublicanCorruption
#Coup
#Insurrection
#Lies
#ErodingDemocracy
#Politics
#Corruption
#TurdTrump
I’m arming myself and will protect myself the best way possible.
You offer surrender as the only option. I disagree. Sometimes it matters to be the one to say, "This is wrong."
My opinion on this narrow matter hardly means that I think that we should surrender.
There is enough evidence of election interference that the Dems should have conducted an investigation. They could make an effort. I feel that their failure to do so is capitulation.
Also, as a gentle reminder, the rule is separate but equal.
Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/live/JkmSXcHLjLE?si=6imDXWZR_fu19MTh
#ExpandTheSCOTUS
#NeverForgetJanuary6th
#FDT
I’m just not certain what more is to be accomplished on Monday.
I’m just not sure how a symbolic and doomed objection is supposed to do that?
And isn’t objecting to a legal election just because you disagreed with the outcome kinda of authoritarian by itself, no?
What do you hope to accomplish via an objection?
And objecting to a legal election is problematic, isn’t it? The symbolic move cuts both ways.
Move on folks. What is by definition a Political remedy can only be applied through Political means. The Political dynamic necessary today does not exist.
BUT, DJT is - (apply your label)!
Gonna need other means.
Of course, the Tr-p election will definitely be certified.
But, a performative bringing up and addressing the 14th Amendment on the record is going to look good for the Dems.
I agree it will have no political or electoral effect, Tr-p will be certified.
On the other hand....they aren't going to do much of anything anyway.
The rest might as well fuck off for all the good they do, not to mention the shit they pull against their own. Katie Porter should be a senator,remember what Pelosi pulled, fuck the old guard.
2/3 of Congress can vote to remove the disqualification. They haven't, and I doubt they will.
We can either enforce it, or the constitution dissolves.
It’s making some folks mad, but it’s the truth.
Either way, it would lead to a constitutional crisis which at this point, I would welcome. Better that than handing power over to Trump.
Republicans, not Democrats, squandered their one chance to disqualify him by congressional means when they didn’t convict him of impeachment.
Other than that, it was up to Democratic voters to vote for Harris back in November.
The disqualification doesn’t require action, it takes place automatically. Congress has to vote to override the disqualification and allow the insurrectionist back into office.
Even a temporary executive order would go to the Supreme Crooks and even those dorks can't deny clear Constitutional writ. But wait-
haven't those guys done it befor
Promoting this nonsense marks you as either hopelessly naive, or a troll.
The Count Act is in place if the people vote for a constitutionally disqualified candidate.
SCOTUS has no control over the vote tomorrow.
That is the challenge that needs to happen, imo.
The constitution is pretty clear. Make them state their opposition to the actual words.
At some point, you mist pick a side.
https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/5055171-constitution-insurrection-trump-disqualification/
Felon Trump's next two picks will be illegitimate as well since he is illegitimate.
It serves no legitimate purpose, it has zero chance of success, and it will make Democrats look like sore losers.
I'd rather they make legitimate arguments against Trump's Cabinet nominees.
Again...part of Project 2025 is to ensure that all future elections will be predetermined.
I can't stress this enough: DO NOT WAIT for 2026. We wasted four years already going down that path. We cannot afford two more.
Where 14th Amendment can't or wont be applied by congress, the law should be.
This is a doomed exercise for the feels.
Besides, you can’t count votes that aren’t there. Democrats failed Harris when they didn’t get themselves and their friends off their couches to vote for her.
Where do get that the USSC supported that?
It might as well be Jan6.
That was the beginning of a depressing book,
which we should all read again.