Entering the New Year, I am making a commitment to stop arguing with anyone on the right. It’s the willful ignorance and the delusion that is the exhausting part.
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I stopped that when they starting calling me names , they were not interested in my point of view . Can’t think why the right are so angry all the time , are they scared ?
Same, these folks are completely devoted to Trump so nothing gets through it’s like talking to a wall. If they’re still maga after all that’s happened with these people I doubt anything will snap them out of this cult mentality 😖
At this point there is no hope for a return to sanity. Full frontal lobotomy is the only remaining option. We can put them all out in a nice grassy fenced in meadow and let them chase grasshoppers and butterflies.
I stopped arguing with them on November 6th. It is an absolute waste of time and energy and it’s not our job to educate them. They should’ve been smart enough to do that on their own. Now we have to fight and they will benefit from our fight. Maybe someday they will thank us…
Both sides, at the core of argument, seeking to protect our sense of self worth. Why? Because we fear the consequences, real or imagined, of the alternative.
There is no convincing them with logic and adult conversations. They also enjoy the fight and lies, just to win and "own" someone. Look how angry they still are although Trump squeaked through a win. It's like a never-ending violent soccer match to them.
Already there. I haven't spoken a word to any MAGAts since the election. I've managed to dodge their BS. I'm just going to sit back and hold my breath for the next 4 years and wait, again, for the "I told you' moment. Hold on folks. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
We need a leader with the heart of a warrior. He/she has to be fearless and determined. Do the Democrats have anything like that to offer? Suggestions?
You can't fight scumbags with a Hello Kitty liberal elitist campaign.
Never forget the betrayal of the Dems leadership by refusing not to nullify rigged elections interfered by Russian propaganda ops and their affiliates (Musk, Trump).
Or energy and head space is better spent doing the actions we need to push back against the tyrants for the next several years, and begin to prepare for mid-term elections.
Absolutely. It’s what I call the old “ Do I want to be happy or do I want to be right?” drill. Unless it’s a hill I’m willing to die on, sometimes I just let the idiots babble. No mas.
Agree. Back to the work. Educate. Organize. Build coalitions. Motivate the folks who don’t engage in politics but agree on the issues. GOTV. Not glamorous but produces results.
They always put u on the defensive. You tell them Trump's tax code worse for middle class, tariffs R sales tax, he's fraud with 6 bankruptcies. They don't give u chance to explain. Instead: They'd say "prove it....Y Biden kept Trump's tax?..He's rich despite bankruptcies he's a badass business man".
So you really don't stand a chance with them. Then u try to discuss American law, history and civics. They have no clue what democracy is, or how a tariff works, or that FDR was a democrat. They think the DA is same as AG. They honestly have no clue. Shame on our public education.
Public k-12 has created a class of apathetic Americans who are bad at math, English, grammar, civics, American history. They don't C the greatness of the American spirit. Real shame!
We shouldn't abolish DOE, but increase the standards of education to ensure future generations remain competitive globally. Chinese high school grads know more math than US college grad. It's how Trump won & how RINOs & DINOs lost people's trust & how folks succumbed to a master manipulator wizard.
Correct. We have to shift our energy to taking action that makes us feel more whole. The lawyers and politicians can banter with them all day long and try to slow them down, but the real answer is help Trump fail. The faster that happens, the faster the "disaffected" non-voters and Trumpers wake up.
A good goal. I went one step further and decided I wouldn't even intentionally speak to anyone on the right. Not about politics not about sports not about places to eat. If I can avoid them I'll avoid them as vehemently as they avoid common sense and showers.
Not going to argue or even discuss, but they will know trump & destroying our country are the reasons we are not speaking. My commitment is to never leave them thinking I agree with them or something is going on with me by not addressing their underhanded or off- color remarks. They will know.
Many appear addicted to gaslight and alternative facts and if you try with respect and hope to expose a fact to them they spit it out or scream elitism.
Plus--part of the cultism is the almost religious fervor for uncivil discourse relying on use of TV/Talk radio tone and talking points. They want to get into with you--not to listen, but to more-or-less evangelize, thinking that they are then helping to carry out the Trumpist mission.
I just recently told myself I’m going to stop also. I did it during the whole election period & have learned it’s pointless and i just don’t have the energy for it
I know you're right, but I really want to send an anonymous letter with my thoughts to the guy down the street with a "Trump 2024- The Rules Have Changed" flag hanging on his house.
And also it’s nearly impossible to come to a middle point anymore. Things you thought most rational people would agree upon is gone. It disheartens me the loss of civility and constructive, yet honest, discourse. We are not better for it, and I’m scared we’ll never get it back.
If a person cannot come to me if they disagree without bullying and or name calling I block them. It is clear to me they do not even understand what they are fighting for.
Lordy, yes. If we’ve learned anything, it’s that there is NOTHING the conman-elect can do to make them not worship him.
Save your breath, it’s not worth it. Just avoid those people.
Don't the arguments always end the same? They repeat the same faulty and false rhetoric and refuse to look at evidence. Why waste precious time trying to reason with them? Most of the time they consider arguing with "libtards" a sport.
Nah it was about dead even and we had millions of people not bother. It would help if the Dems would actually follow the rules regarding having primaries and such, and maybe, just maybe, stop supporting genocide in Israel. They need to stop moving right and stand for something.
My MAGA neighbors are under the impression that all of the 'foreign' labor here have legal work permits so mass deportation won't affect our area at all. We live near a big resort and one year ICE came in and deported most of the staff there. Pointless to argue with the MAGA nutters.
In my experience they come in two flavours:
When they tell a blatant lie and are confronted with the facts, some back right down, others belligerently double down.
There's rarely any meaningful discussion or debate, always either black or white!
That's why I finally deactivated my Twitter account. I used to use it to primarily interact with the theme park community, but it's slowly just devolved into political arguing and I'm tired of that, so shut it down
Yep, no tax on overtime, because there won’t be any overtime. Project 2025, pg 592. Allows employers to change pay structure configuration from 40 hr/wk to 160 hr/mo. Also allows for employers to flex work day hrs to keep employees from hitting 160 hrs in a month. So no tax on OT. Screwed again.
We need someone to keep track of his statements and promises followed by what is actually done. This will show his stupidity, lies, cognitive decline, flip-flopping.
I heard someone say something to the effect of not fighting with people who aren’t even in the same arena.
I think about that really often and try to decide if we are even speaking the same intelligence before I engage. Can’t reason with dumb.
“Inspiring fear of real or imagined threats overrides people‘s sense of agency. It makes them susceptible to a confident authority figure who promises to keep them safe and can make them more compliant and obedient…The more vivid the thought or image installed in people’s minds, 1/
“…the greater a hold it has in the less susceptible it is to rational or critical thought…It’s not their beliefs that define these group groups as cults, but the way they deceptively, recruit, indoctrinate, and ultimately control the lives of their members.” THE CULT OF TRUMP, Steven Hassan
I avoid them completely. I can’t even be in crowds anymore because I’m thinking some of these people are magas. They sicken me. (Literally and figuratively.)
It's easier to con a person than it is to convince them they've been conned. I personally know one person who woke up shortly after the 2016 election but I know 2 that fell into the cult. The one snapped when Biden was nominated while the other seemed to have been sucked in by RFK Jr
We should all just ignore them, and make it seem as though they don’t exist. That I feel would make them more attractive to their own mistakes in life.
The decibytes here are a very manageable minority. According to my observations, this is due to peer pressure. Anyone who behaves inappropriately, i.e. shouts, lies and is disrespectful, will be reprimanded. If this doesn't work, the accounts will be blocked/reported.
#Xit: We're not going back!
Actually, there are quite a few on what has been allowed to pass for "the left" in this country as well. Some still butt hurt over Hilary. Some thinking clever insult memes are adequate defense against an AR14 wielding authoritarian sociopath.
Don't argue. However, you need to know how they operate in order to stop them. Ignoring them is the most dangerous thing democrats can do. We know the brain of the MAGAs comes out of Texas. Where Texas goes MAGAs go. They need to be watched very closely.
Open invitation to send any right wingers that seem to be arguing in good faith my way. Many can't be reasoned with, sure, but some can, and any win is a win. Protect your peace and energy, friends.
You do realize you're not arguing with the right, correct? These people are not conservatives, they're mental conspiracy theorists who only purport to be on the "right". These people have no party allegiance. They simply align themselves with like-minded conspiracy theorists.
I don’t argue either. I just disassociate with them. Family included. You voted for a convicted felon and a threat to our democracy. I’m done with you.
To even engage in banal conversation with any of them is a waste of time, energy, and breath. Better to stare at a spot on the ground. At least you're alone in your own thoughts. So much better. Have a thoughtful day, Bluesky friends.
...weird thing is, they feel the same about us, thinking we're nuts & dumb & hate America, more than frustrating knowing we're in the right & they're a fucking cult!!
Don’t argue with them. DO display warmth and empathy in every small interaction, even if it’s just sadness that they’ve done something that will harm them. Look at MAGA like an addiction that stems from a lack of meaningful connections.
That’s a healthy boundary to set. It’s hard to have productive conversations when there’s no shared foundation of facts. Sometimes, walking away is the best way to preserve your energy and focus on meaningful change elsewhere.
Right-don't take the bait! Narcissistic psychopath alcoholic criminals love attention and hyper emotional reactions and starving them of both is absolutely necessary for peace, joy and serenity.
There is no reasoning with maga supporters, they are brainwashed and they need help. Trying to talk sense into them is such a waste of time, because nothing gets through to them
I strongly believe the right are in deep displeasure mode, they need a high dose of you owe me Trump Now! Where are my checks? Why did my insurance go up? Why is food and housing so expensive?
Trump is on a short leash with his followers. He has 6 months to impress that is it...
And by arguing with them, we offer ourselves as release valves. If we do not do that, they will more easily see the true cause of their problems: the MAGA party
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Never forget the betrayal of the Dems leadership by refusing not to nullify rigged elections interfered by Russian propaganda ops and their affiliates (Musk, Trump).
The Democrats no longer represent the People.
Their world-view is faith-based.
Their morality has been outsourced.
Cultists gotta cult.
Utterly pointless.
It doesn’t mean we can’t talk to normies who voted the wrong way though.
I encountered a nasty one here. He was promoting that people should read Trump's book "Art of the Deal."
I demonstrated to him the Art of the Block.
Smoke and mirrors to exhaust people from the real problems they don’t want to be held accountable on.
Save your breath, it’s not worth it. Just avoid those people.
One question: Would just a little bit of smacking be permitted?
Like, just a tiny bit?🤌
Just kidding. I suck at debating. Don't reply. I'm having a level 0.5 anxiety attack. Need crackers and cheese.
When they tell a blatant lie and are confronted with the facts, some back right down, others belligerently double down.
There's rarely any meaningful discussion or debate, always either black or white!
I think about that really often and try to decide if we are even speaking the same intelligence before I engage. Can’t reason with dumb.
This is the Way.
Wash/Rinse/Repeat
(Too many twits there.)
#Xit: We're not going back!
They wake up wanting to fight.
Life is too short.
They are truly a lost cause
No more Disney Democrat- if we just educate them then they will magically come around
We need to forge ahead without including the 1/3rd of the lunatics who are now running this country for the remaining 2/3rds of us
Watch as the stuff they insist you agree with gets sillier and sillier.
-sac … round and round in circles with no way out.
Let those Nazis burn.
Trump is on a short leash with his followers. He has 6 months to impress that is it...
Dems be calm for 6 months. Don't fight,
just say, you have both houses, President.
Checks are coming your way! he has promised you much.