A lot of well-intentioned people say "we don't need them to admit they're wrong"... but we do. We ended up with Trump *again* because millions of people happily rode their cognitive dissonance into absurd beliefs like "he'll only deport the bad people." They need to be brought back to reality. - ThreadSky

maxkennerly.bsky.social • 23 days ago

A lot of well-intentioned people say "we don't need them to admit they're wrong"... but we do.

We ended up with Trump *again* because millions of people happily rode their cognitive dissonance into absurd beliefs like "he'll only deport the bad people."

They need to be brought back to reality.

Reposted from Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis

Just saw a farmer say, "you don't have to admit you were wrong, you have to admit you were lied to, " and idk that seems like a good framing to call people in

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sophieinbflo.bsky.social•23 days ago

I saw that TikTok, and I took at as “this is your first step” and 2nd step is “start fighting”. As long as they start fighting, I don’t care how they label it.

sophieinbflo.bsky.social•23 days ago

It’s definitely a passive move: they can’t take responsibility for what they did; they were tricked

artielarkin9.bsky.social•23 days ago

It’s next to impossible to “get people to admit they were wrong,” and it doesn’t matter what they admit to themselves or anyone else. The fact is that they were lied to. By a bunch of very rich people intent on stealing their money and plundering the country. What’s complicated about that?

lawnerd.bsky.social•23 days ago

Reeducation camps ahoy

calcourtky.bsky.social•23 days ago

It’s a process. Any major change is, and space will need to be given (in some instances) to think differently. This is easier to see when one-on-one than theoretically. Building community is hard, and we will need to approach it with care.

brendanamartin.bsky.social•23 days ago

Politics is “the art of the possible”, and you’re banging your head against the wall of
human nature with this statement. In any case, it’s all hypothetical. MAGA creeps aren’t doing either right now.

drjamesjteeth.bsky.social•23 days ago

Without accepting the blame for being wrong and shifting it to “being lied to” they are setting themselves up for being led down a path of retribution. Who lied? What are they going to do about the liars? Whereas admitting you were wrong focuses the need for action on yourself not on an enemy other.

sunnyjim.bsky.social•23 days ago

They need to admit they believed the lies because they wanted to

masspatriot.bsky.social•23 days ago

A worse belief is “He’ll take care of us.”

mycroft-vii.bsky.social•23 days ago

Then we’re shit out of luck cause these are the same people who STILL think Nixon did nothing wrong

caseydriscoll.bsky.social•23 days ago

What a cowardly country and weakly citizens.

They absolutely have to admit they were wrong.

Are they so fundamentally incapable that they hate American principles that much.

rumblydad.bsky.social•23 days ago

But you made a choice to believe the lies when they were obviously false. These asshats need to take responsibility for themselves.

dohlms.bsky.social•23 days ago

Yes. Forgiveness after accountability.

scientistmel.bsky.social•21 days ago

The only way we can truly learn is if we admit that we are wrong.

It is OK to be wrong. It is OK to also acknowledge that you were lied to.

It’s not OK to have abused people because you were lied to.

Apologies help with healing.

These folks are finding out…they need to take their medicine.

dan4ucla.bsky.social•22 days ago

Good luck. That’ll never happen in the current environment

thewettanktops.bsky.social•22 days ago

This is what *should* happen but at this point we’ll be fucking lucky if we get a post 2005 “who supported GW/Iraq War? ME!? Lol, I don’t think so I think woulda remembered that 😂” outcome.

saddymayo.bsky.social•23 days ago

I actually saw the video being referred to and it explains a lot. They *were* lied to. For decades. And it turned them into evil, bigoted monsters. Both things are true. If I can find the video again (I saw it at 5:00 this morning) I’ll share it.

saddymayo.bsky.social•23 days ago

FOUND IT! Sorry, I’ve had a LOT of coffee. It’s long but it’s worth listening to.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2ktSNHc/

johnlk.bsky.social•23 days ago

They don't necessarily have to admit *they* were wrong, but they have to admit that *electing Trump* was wrong. Like, post-war Germans usually had some excuse for themselves, but they pretty universally admitted that voting for the Nazis was a bad thing.

reggiemoto.bsky.social•22 days ago

“They need to be brought back to reality.”
Well intentioned but the ending will be more like Shutter Island. They think you’re the one that needs a dose of reality. #TDS Is a two-way street

piri.bsky.social•23 days ago

dickius.bsky.social•23 days ago

go birds

glenthefossa.bsky.social•23 days ago

They werent lied to though, trump is doing everything he said he was going to, they just didnt want to hear it

jthomasalbert.bsky.social•23 days ago

They wanted him to do all that.

They're only upset now because they didn't realize they would be in the splash zone.

mycroft-vii.bsky.social•23 days ago

Until I see Republicans publicly pushing back, it’s just complaining about percentages

blackstarblues.bsky.social•22 days ago

Yep, especially when we know how those people love to wag their fingers at others, scolding them to take personal responsibility.

hshope.bsky.social•23 days ago

The point is that shame won’t get well-intentioned people to change their votes. And they WERE outright lied to and intentionally kept in the dark by decades of FOX. If change can come faster by not flogging these people with guilt, I’m all for it.

brasscauldron.bsky.social•23 days ago

Do you believe that his voters are well-intentioned? I mean that genuinely. They seem to like the hatred and bigotry and are just mad that they are also facing consequences. But I am not in direct community with them so maybe I’m missing nuance.

hshope.bsky.social•21 days ago

No, I don’t believe ALL of them are well-intentioned. MAGAs are a lost cause.
I do believe, from first-hand experience, that some consider themselves conservatives out of habit and are distressingly misinformed. THOSE people are reachable.

brasscauldron.bsky.social•21 days ago

Thanks for your response. Are you finding that the conservatives you know are responsive to your messaging around the current state of affairs?

hshope.bsky.social•20 days ago

Several friends, relatives and acquaintances have been very receptive. A couple have changed their political affiliations entirely. Change took place over many conversations, most starting in
🍊🤡’s first term. (Not very efficient in terms of time, but I figure every convert helps.)

junqueiraliv.bsky.social•23 days ago

Honey, not vinegar. But, even with the honey we can use some stings (as in point out the disinformation in their news outlets of choice).

shenloop.bsky.social•22 days ago

They are responsible, they are at fault, they are why chaos is breaking down our doors. It was clear, it could not have been more clear. They are to blame. Blame them and move on.

twonnet.bsky.social•23 days ago

right, we’re not talking about struggle sessions, just getting up to speed and understanding how fucked up things are

jthomasalbert.bsky.social•23 days ago

And no amount of, "I just wanted more 'efficient' government," or "I just wanted lower taxes," will ever convince me they didn't just want the US to be a White Christian Ethnostate.

They're getting what they wanted. If they weren't experiencing negative consequences, too, they wouldn't complain.

drbethany.bsky.social•23 days ago

And maybe -- as an intermediate step -- we need them to acknowledge why they were so willing to believe the lies

sapnasesq.bsky.social•22 days ago

Building an enduring coalition that can win elections broadly and repeatedly can only happen after a reckoning with reality.

gsirc.bsky.social•23 days ago

"No more time to tell how, this is the season of what." You're still hung up on 'how.'

thunderhawk13.bsky.social•23 days ago

Millions of these assholes are too genetically stupid and/or downright rotten to even being capable of admitting that they were wrong.

stucko.bsky.social•22 days ago

We have a duty to inform others about reality

antonpnym.bsky.social•23 days ago

No absolution without contrition; I have no intention of forgiving them for anything until they admit what they did was wrong and show some signs that they won't shove us into the cesspool again at the first opportunity.

jrtski.bsky.social•23 days ago

Everyone was lied to ...but only some chose to believe the lie.

bryanwenzel.bsky.social•23 days ago

Here's the problem

Most of these halfwits *were never in reality to begin with*

They were lied to from the jump, raised by the lazy & stupid and under a fake "whiteness=power" umbrella and championed by the church

Back to reality? They need to find it for the first time

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