I really hope everyone understands what is going on with Elon and Wikipedia. Wikipedia is one of our last remaining bastions of evidence-based consensus reality. The MAGA narrative is fundamentally threatened by evidence-based fact, and Wikipedia is a repository of evidence-based fact. - ThreadSky

gwensnyder.bsky.social • 32 days ago

I really hope everyone understands what is going on with Elon and Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is one of our last remaining bastions of evidence-based consensus reality.

The MAGA narrative is fundamentally threatened by evidence-based fact, and Wikipedia is a repository of evidence-based fact.

Reposted from Phil Williams

This is ABSOLUTELY factual! Musk’s gesture WAS compared to a Nazi salute or a fascist salute. Musk DID deny any meaning behind the gesture. Musk’s argument appears to be with reality.

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brookfinham.bsky.social•32 days ago

White supremacists tend
to argue with reality.

dominomask.bsky.social•32 days ago

Definitely. One of the starkest arguments for equality is just how much brute force and nonsensical scrabbling those with power have to exert every moment to keep it enforced.

soapyfae.bsky.social•32 days ago

All i want to know is what he thinks wikipedia should be using as a valid source if the fucking bbc isnt good enough.

barefootbritt.bsky.social•32 days ago

https://Donate.wikipedia.org

dabluepittoo.bsky.social•31 days ago

Ironic that Muskrat petitions about free speech, but does whatever he can to eliminate free speech that doesn't agree with his world view.

lp7.bsky.social•32 days ago

Give money to Wikipedia. Donate a few dollars every month. (And yes, I do)

pantheist.bsky.social•32 days ago

Of course Musk denies the gesture. He’s so outside of himself he doesn’t even know who or what he is anymore.

makotoh.bsky.social•32 days ago

If we're depending on Wikipedia then we're in real trouble b/c there's so much Lost Causery, genocide denialism, & toxic masculinity in the woodwork there, it's unreal the wringer people get put through for trying to to get, say, pages about colonialists to not downplay the colonialism so much

nancyhicks.bsky.social•31 days ago

I read something similar the other day & immediately made a donation to Wikimedia Foundation https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=US&uselang=en&wmf_medium=spontaneous&wmf_source=fr-redir&wmf_campaign=spontaneous

sharonrmecfs.bsky.social•31 days ago

Maybe this?

https://thelogic.co/news/quebec-ink/bluesky-free-our-feeds-elon-musk-twitter-takeover/

alydalstry.bsky.social•32 days ago

https://youtube.com/shorts/5-iG8ocg5nk?si=w_ML-0xD_i54rvUq

I dont want this to be needed

But im sharing it just incase

AND ALSO WHO KNOWS

MAYBE YOU JUST NEED IT FOR OFFLINE PURPOSES.

The info doesnt hurt to have.

(download it while you can)

alydalstry.bsky.social•32 days ago

also important to note,

thats all compressed btw, it still needs to be unzipped, and its a lot fucking to unzip

sbakergrimes.bsky.social•32 days ago

Thanks for reminding me to send a donation to Wikipedia.

thucidydes.bsky.social•32 days ago

The worst you could say about that Wikipedia entry is that it used "some say" style reporting. You know, what Fox News was built on. But Fox News for some reason doesn't count as "legacy media" to these people.

ozsue4democracy.bsky.social•32 days ago

Does Musk think most of us are as stupid&brainwashed as MAGA cultists?
We can interpret your fascist statements+$$support 4 Afd
=Nazi Propaganda.
NB Efforts 2 cleanup ...LA devastated by wildfires...delayed by burning Teslas emitting toxic fumes burning
...lithium-ion batteries=...toxic chemicals

outerhalf.bsky.social•31 days ago

Don't you think it's time to at least pony up $2.75 / month to support this convenient little utility? Isn't it worth it just to remind yourself that facts based reality continues to struggle into the light? Isn't that what freedom really means?

wikisteff.bsky.social•31 days ago

Thank goodness that Wikipedia has a history, and we can get an old version of it from before Musk and co buy a thousand admins through bribery.

big-sky-1889.bsky.social•32 days ago

I made my annual donation to wikipedia a few months ago but made another today given the current threats from Musky and his fascists minions. Come on everybody. Pitch in and protect Wikipedia from halfwits like Musky, Zuckerberg, Bezos and King MAGAt the orange.

32th.bsky.social•31 days ago

The Nazis did book burnings. Nowadays though, we have the internet and digital storage. Anyone can have a local copy of an entire library's worth of digital books and information on a device way smaller than even one book. They cannot erase today's knowledge no matter how hard they try.

vicenteescribe.bsky.social•32 days ago

We came to BlueSky to not read X crap.

gwensnyder.bsky.social•32 days ago

So mute me, weirdo

vicenteescribe.bsky.social•32 days ago

OK, Twitter is back.

micchiato.bsky.social•32 days ago

A bastion with a co-founder who falsely equates communism and fascism. I don’t like Apartheid Clyde but I also take Wikipedia strictly with a grain of salt.

marciax3.bsky.social•32 days ago

Legacy media = credibility and ethical standards.

marciax3.bsky.social•29 days ago

What we don’t have anymore is legacy media. We have the National Enquirer TV affiliates

underscore-proto.bsky.social•32 days ago

If he doesn't think it's actually a nazi gesture, I encourage him to do it in a crowded room of folks that may take exception to nazis.

sbseltzer.net•32 days ago

i've decided to add "monthly wikipedia donation" to my list of subscriptions.

pressure will be coming down on them hard as the last bastion of remotely fact-based digital information in the coming years. i suspect they're going to need continuous support.

k-falls.bsky.social•32 days ago

I HATE TROLLS

ntherrgott.bsky.social•32 days ago

we're watching what happens when they try to burn digital books.

kintarius.bsky.social•32 days ago

📌

juliehutchinskoch.bsky.social•32 days ago

Please, everyone, if you haven't before, donate to Wikipedia. We must keep these platforms of information available to the public. You can donate a small amount each month and pay online in a secure way. I did it. It only takes a minute.

sciencekhan.bsky.social•32 days ago

Getting into some real Orwellian "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." type reality now.

judyd42.bsky.social•32 days ago

Just like Dr. Strangelove! That arm just salutes on its own!

originalsunshine.bsky.social•31 days ago

I donated because I like facts.

spookella.bsky.social•32 days ago

Wikipedia is funded by us, get donating.

jgroover54.bsky.social•32 days ago

I started a monthly donation. It’s not much but I feel I need to fight against disinformation and downright lies anyway I can.

alisonkmurray.bsky.social•32 days ago

I'm told when you are high on coke, there is no reality.

evirae.bsky.social•32 days ago

My dad and I just sat on the phone yesterday discussing the insanity.

We know what we saw. What we all saw. Watching people spin it in real time left him speechless. I could just repeat "We know what we saw."

Image of Musk's second Nazi salutes from alternate angle for clarity.

mapinguari66.bsky.social•32 days ago

Yeah, those people in the audience know EXACTLY what they're seeing and they are SUPER excited about it...

evirae.bsky.social•32 days ago

Ghoulish.

hammyhavoc.com•32 days ago

Would be very curious if anyone can name any of the applauding or grinning attendees when it comes to that salute. Can be from any camera angle. I want to know what reaction it evokes and in who.

judyd42.bsky.social•32 days ago

Ginny Thomas in the blue dress, waving back? Donny, Jr.

gwensnyder.bsky.social•32 days ago

They want people to give up on fact and trust vibes.

Ideally, they'd like us all to look at reality through the lens of AI, which is basically just a service that averages and reconstitutes vibes on any given subject.

Wikipedia helps us order and evaluate based on fact. It is a threat.

chili-dog.bsky.social•32 days ago

It's worse than that. They're dumping $500bn into forming an AI monopoly company called Stargate to "arms race" with China, with the intent of flooding the web with pro US fascist propaganda.

nlewis1111.bsky.social•32 days ago

The US is becoming Russia 2.0
Bigger, badder and spewing lies at twice the pace.

jscram3254.bsky.social•32 days ago

It’s why I started a monthly donation. It’s a beautiful thing.

runlorun.bsky.social•32 days ago

Same!

jamiewats.bsky.social•32 days ago

Yes! My husband has been donating monthly for years. He believes it’s one of the greatest resources the internet has to offer.

nlewis1111.bsky.social•32 days ago

Vibes=MAGA lies
AI will be a major fight the next 4 years. MAGA will attempt to have the computers believe their lies.

nickjustageek.bsky.social•32 days ago

Trust vibes, also known as turning off your critical thinking skills

bigalincal.bsky.social•32 days ago

Please note musk has NOT DENIED it was a Nazi salute- only that the eye of the beholder is biased

tfurstman.bsky.social•31 days ago

Elon can’t take away Wikipedia like ever!

ahsokatano00.bsky.social•32 days ago

No, Wikipedia is not as noble as we like to think. Instead, it's the Internet Archive which is one of our last remaining bastions of evidence-based consensus reality.
https://bsky.app/profile/merryrobin.bsky.social/post/3kz7vtxh3gs2g

drspawndisaster.bsky.social•32 days ago

Wikipedia literally says just that it was compared, not that it was. He's doing more to prove he's a nazi by bashing anyone who spreads the mere suggestion than he would be if he just said sorry.

jdubb919.bsky.social•32 days ago

I'm really confused. The first thing they drill into you in college is that Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I thought anyone could edit a Wikipedia page. Has the platform changed in that regard?

jupiterlily.bsky.social•32 days ago

It’s not but itself, it’s not infallible or without bias. But it’s still a massive resource.

Its also not as simple as anyone being able to edit a page easily.

It’s something worth fighting for.

jdubb919.bsky.social•32 days ago

I agree. It's definitely worth fighting for. Thank you for the clarification. ☺️

jupiterlily.bsky.social•32 days ago

No worries, I feel like we need to normalise nicely explaining things to each other.

Obvs not everyone has the space to be doing emotional labour.

But I also think that far to everyone we assume everyone just gets it in the same way we do.

lordseraphicat.bsky.social•31 days ago

Someone should make a reply bot to Wiki centric posts that displays the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

Think it'd be a good idea?

senshellshark.bsky.social•31 days ago

Remember reading that bit in current events but looked again today to see the phrasing change quite a bit for all the US news bits... awkward and unusually charitable to the right at the moment.

lukesull.bsky.social•31 days ago

Until today I had never donated to Wikipedia. I had meant to in the past, but didn’t get round to it. Thank you Mr Musk for giving me some philanthropic motivation!

inremichaela.bsky.social•32 days ago

I encourage everyone to look at his speech with skepticism because every time I watch him it’s clear that he meant to evoke nazisim.

pguthrie.bsky.social•32 days ago

I think their sudden attention to Wikipedia is not to directly influence us, but more important to them is to create right wing bias in the AIs that use Wikipedia as a component of training data.

firesfletcher.bsky.social•31 days ago

Wikipedia has been built up these past few decades to be comparable to the library of alexandria. It's got so much information on everything down to niche fictional characters to random religious figures mentioned in three lines in two hebrew bible books. It's existence is only a net positive for us

fifisch.bsky.social•32 days ago

If you haven't read, I deeply recommend this article.

Apparently his beef started when they refused to call him a founder of Tesla. Just because he didn't actually found Tesla.

https://www.citationneeded.news/elon-musk-and-the-rights-war-on-wikipedia/

bxl.bsky.social•31 days ago

Nothing made of 0s and 1s is safe.

bennevis.bsky.social•32 days ago

https://thealtworld.com/caitlin_johnston/when-the-powerful-control-public-opinion-elections-arent-real

natex101.bsky.social•31 days ago

Excellent article! Time to donate to Wikipedia!

mayaenaise.bsky.social•32 days ago

📌

livefromearth.bsky.social•31 days ago

https://nuitalian.org/2023/04/27/fascism-rise-to-power-and-media-manipulation/

luvnlite3.bsky.social•32 days ago

Little man syndrome

ledredman.bsky.social•32 days ago

A narcissist with a fragile ego.

aneshajoy.bsky.social•32 days ago

They never want to accept objective descriptions of what they are doing although they show openly what they are doing.

Has #psychology a theory or name for that?

hannahburner.bsky.social•31 days ago

📌

dachshuahuadad.bsky.social•32 days ago

Thanks for reminding me, I need to donate to Wikipedia. I really should set that to be automatic

iramjohn.bsky.social•32 days ago

There's nothing wrong with donating, but improving articles yourself has a much bigger impact.

https://bsky.app/profile/iramjohn.bsky.social/post/3lgb4i3s7mt2a

jimbo849.bsky.social•30 days ago

Their mouths should catch fire every single time they throw around the word "balance" to describe their delusional bullshit.

callidusdominus.bsky.social•29 days ago

Good on Wikipedia! If Musk is against it, then we should support it! Fascists like him hate those who tell the truth!

plasmamullet.bsky.social•31 days ago

📌

sarcasticsmall.bsky.social•32 days ago

📌

appalachianeditrix.bsky.social•32 days ago

The tender egos of malignant narcissists are the gift that keeps on giving.

ingolfs.bsky.social•32 days ago

I donate each year when I get the reminder, but today wikipedia got a little extra in advance

deguello.bsky.social•31 days ago

I've been donating automatically for quite a while. Now I'm going to double the amount.

citizenash.bsky.social•31 days ago

Oops I accidentally donated to wokekipedia oh no! 🤣
I can't say this strongly enough Elon Musk can fuck right off. I'd say he can eat a bag of dicks but his face constantly looks like he sucked off a lemon.

emmatk.bsky.social•32 days ago

JFC there is so much small d*** energy in his beefs with companies he doesn't like.

fifisch.bsky.social•32 days ago

Wow, did not notice this blew up. Anyway the author @molly.wiki often encourages people to start editing. And provides a handful primer on how to start:

https://blog.mollywhite.net/become-a-wikipedian-transcript/

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