“Ok, I was wrong, but the people who were right were annoying, and therefore you should continue listening to me and not them” was exactly the argument of the Iraq War cheerleaders as that situation turned into the debacle it was always going to be. - ThreadSky

figgityfigs.bsky.social • 5 days ago

“Ok, I was wrong, but the people who were right were annoying, and therefore you should continue listening to me and not them” was exactly the argument of the Iraq War cheerleaders as that situation turned into the debacle it was always going to be.

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Jon Stewart has a message for his Bluesky critics: 'My bad'

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cppilgram.bsky.social•5 days ago

There are a stunning number of people defending him as "just a neutral comedian that mocks both sides" despite watching a video where he apologized for underestimating Trump's authoritarianism. He just admitted things are bad, worse than he expected, perhaps he could, I dunno, pick a side?

davidhdaw.bsky.social•5 days ago

To be fair "one side is obviously wrong but the other side is annoying so the only thing to do is throw up your hands and continue feeling too smart for this" was also his take on the Iraq war at the time so at least he's consistent?

joyouspanther.bsky.social•5 days ago

What I don't get is that the people who were wrong were even more annoying so what's the fucking excuse?

missylissa.bsky.social•5 days ago

I have to wonder what it is about annoying and slightly cringe-ness on the left that turns so many people into reactionaries? I was deeply hurt by the "demisexual woman are actually all secretly conservative transphobe" discourse but it didn't make me want to ban HRT.

milkweed.bsky.social•5 days ago

Misogyny

mtgauger.bsky.social•5 days ago

Pitiful.

blucowdawg.bsky.social•5 days ago

…he’s playing to a laugh track…

legalminimum.bsky.social•5 days ago

This person has nailed it dot jpg. To be beloved by the mainstream, you have to land where Jon Stewart regularly does: recognizing the badness of a thing 5 minutes before it’s crushingly obvious, and laying down your marker at that moment and not a second before.

nostaticatall.bsky.social•5 days ago

to mainstream americans, there's nothing worse than hearing someone be right about something too early, or too loudly

jazzy-rascal.bsky.social•5 days ago

I personally owe Cory Doctorow so many apologies.

originalseahawk.bsky.social•4 days ago

True for Canadians too.

meamdal.bsky.social•5 days ago

No two human beings did more to bring us to this moment than Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert platforming guys like bill oreilly and Alex jones as cuddly and harmless

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with the ranking system that has brought you to this top two.

anitacolada.bsky.social•4 days ago

Or acting like we are overreacting…

flashgordon.bsky.social•5 days ago

yeah, jon stewart and others taking this tack can fuck all the way off with that shit. the proper rebuttal to, "i was very wrong. my bad... but how was i supposed to take this as seriously as i should have?" is, "millions of other people managed to. so why should they take you seriously?"

flashgordon.bsky.social•5 days ago

i feel like there are two main buckets of "i didn't know he would be this bad" folks: the ones who pretty much did know but want to lie about it now, and the ones who can genuinely make that claim. in the case of the latter, maybe it would help to sit down for a while and look inward.

ankylodad.bsky.social•5 days ago

10,000%

aminhnow.bsky.social•5 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/aminhnow.bsky.social/post/3lmmi3ap24s2s

rustyskylark.bsky.social•5 days ago

I found Stewart's smug and belittling remarks reminiscent of Maher. If he wants to be 100% sure that I avoid any and all comment from him, that's the right path to take.

anitacolada.bsky.social•4 days ago

Absolutely!

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

The thing about this take on the Iraq War is that, shamefully, it mostly worked, because we don’t believe in the merit of what someone does, but rather in some innate idea of what someone *is*.

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

This guy was wrong about the war? Well, ok, barely imperceptible black mark on his record, but he remains a Very Serious Person and that cannot be stripped from him by virtue of expressing ideas that are wrong and unserious.

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

Likewise, criminals are not people who do crimes, because some people who do crimes (you know the ones) deserve mercy and second chances, while some people who have never committed a crime in their life are already criminals (you know the ones).

dietaryfat.bsky.social•5 days ago

to the extent that "being wrong" and "giving annoying people the middle finger" overlap with one another, being wrong will always be a feather in some people's cap rather than a shortcoming.

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

I feel like watching this over again, it looks like a more genuine attempt by Stewart to say some had gotten it right than I clocked at first, though we’re all processing it (not unfairly) through the lens of his previous complaints about online criticism.

polphilpod.bsky.social•5 days ago

I watched it a couple of times - the longer version to see if there was context I was missing - before doing a negative post, to try & avoid being unfair

You're seeing something I'm not. That not to say you're wrong, just I didn't get that

polphilpod.bsky.social•5 days ago

At the very least, I'd have liked him to say *why* he got it wrong -

I don't want contrition exactly, but "here's what i learnt" some thought that its not just luck we got it right - that he has a framework for thinking about politics that led him to get it wrong

connorlynch.bsky.social•5 days ago

I’m a pass on him

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yeah, like I said, I don’t think anybody needs to give him the benefit of the doubt and I understand why people processed this the way they did.

mosheroperandi.bsky.social•5 days ago

Amid all the dueling rancor and relitigating of age old disputes about the man, I sit still with a peaceful, contented smile:

BlueSky mentioned! 🙂

r.v.cx•5 days ago

In the wake of my inexplicably-popular “why I’m leaving Mastodon” post, a bunch of Mastodon users have piped up to correct me that Bluesky isn’t more popular, actually.

Thanks Mastodon users. I’d subscribe your newsletter, but delivery would be unreliable.

the-wrong-way-kid.bsky.social•3 days ago

Im not even gonna lie that this was me when he mentioned it.

thisbrokenwheel.bsky.social•5 days ago

That his body language and tone are pretty consistent with his usual smug presentations doesn't help here.

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yeah, totally, that’s got a lot to do with it. And I understand people not wanting to give him any benefit of the doubt.

westviewwandam.bsky.social•5 days ago

[nods in Jean Valjean]

socio-steve.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yup and those folks are still around, still dedicated to being wrong, and have not paid any professional price.

kevidently.bsky.social•5 days ago

What the hell happened to this guy? He was THE light in the darkness. Now he’s tepid and blah.

blucowdawg.bsky.social•5 days ago

…was always dead… just took a while for stink to reach our noses…

tedbrassfield.bsky.social•5 days ago

Remember the rally for sanity? Bothsidesism with fun celebrity and musical guests on a key GOTV weekend? Where no one mentioned voting?

figgityfigs.bsky.social•5 days ago

Remember? I was there!

anitacolada.bsky.social•4 days ago

The asshole continues to use it as a “bit”

looking4evah.bsky.social•5 days ago

He’s been “both sides”-ing it for decades before BlueSky existed, so what was his excuse then?

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