"Even if the sex was consensual, he is still an asshole" wholeheartedly agree.
This was hard for me to watch. But, I am no stranger to loving the art and hating the writer.
Also, the fact that his response to Palmer asking about his childhood was a novel, and her response to the request for testimony was a poem, gets me wondering how much of art is just a defense mechanism to actually AVOID honest self-assessment and responsibility.
They sidle in with slogans stitched into their second-hand jackets, mouths full of borrowed words like "equality," "solidarity," "ally.” “Yes, I’m with you," they hiss, sliding closer to the warmth of the fire that the women built from resistance and pain. Men calling themselves feminists. Never.
Bravo - As a Gaiman fan (read everything) I didn't learn about this until recently. I've met him. He sent a publisher a nice note on a short story I wrote (which delighted me), and though I believe one can seperate the work from the writer. I'm not at that point. I may never be.
I was inspired by Richard Bachs book. Later i discovered despite potraying himself as being against wantonly destroying old growth forests, he was perfectly happy to clear cut the side of a mountain on Orcas island so he could have a view from the thrown chair he had carved from their carvasses.
Super interesting - I came across this interview with ex-Scientologists the other day that I think you would enjoy https://youtu.be/QZf5GsvDDVM?si=9WZqAoXveY-IE3gC I also see that Kjersti Flaa is continuing to attack Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively on her channel but I haven’t been watching, just saw the headlines
Ok, I love your equation of whether you can support art by shitty people or not. I have the same calculus of is that particular piece worth it?
- Wanda from Sandman? Worth it. Especially since i already own it.
- anything new that POS does? Nope.
- anything past or future from JKK? LOL.
I found your article really interesting. Was discussing with the hub how difficult it can be separating the artist from the art. For me, it's subjective, based on which holds more weight. I look forward to reading more of your musings. Enjoy the sunshine. It's 20 freaking degrees in KC.
As for Gaiman fans...I left a particular Sandman group on FB last year - the woman that runs it will NOT take ANY criticism of NG and has...disagreeable views. (Understatement).
I just watched your video. I'm one of those people that can't separate the art from the artist. Sure, I can say I loved American Gods. However, I will not be able to buy another copy of that book or any future works. Because I would feel I'm supporting his behavior and giving him my hard earned $$$
yeh I have an unread copy of "The View From The Cheap Seats" sitting on my unread pile (for years). Many of those may stay unread for other reasons, but that one...yeah. not happening, i expect.
As I mentioned in the video, that is an essential, very obvious part of the process for me. It doesn't mean I can't separate the art from the artist in the sense of judging art on its merits, it merely means that I will buy used, borrow from the library, or wait til they die. It's not deep.
yeh, same. I already own most of his stuff, so that's not really an issue; whether I voluntarily decide to return to them at any point is another question.
I think I can just about separate the movie Coraline from him as it's not just *his* & I prefer the changes they made. But...
for me it's less a question of "is it ethical to still enjoy this work" than DO I still enjoy this work. I thought I did/would, but I'm now noticing a sort of feeling-miasma settle over my recollections of American Gods (which was my favorite book at one time) and much else, esp Sandman.
buut at minimum it's VERY true that the "Callisto" story in Sandman hits pretty fucking differently now.
I was watching a video by a woman who was adamant that you should KNOW that he was writing about himself in that story. All (male only? she was unclear) writer characters=author avagtars she sez
People think I'm to extreme, they maybe right. But we have so little power in the world. I feel I need to spend my money wisely on artist and companies that I feel have the worlds best interest in heart. However, I won't buy Volkswagen, Mercedes, John Lennon Merch, even Paul turns out to be a dick,
The Eagles, Chick Fil-A, In and Out (bible versus on cups), Hobby Lobby or Any company with religious affiliations, companies that support Trump, I had to cancel my Washington Post, ETC.
In 1980, the singer was arrested after a naked 16-year-old was found in his bathroom, having overdosed on quaaludes and cocaine. At the time, the Eagles musician was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Pleading no contest, he was fined $2,500 and put on two years’ probation.'
Yeah part of me is like “ok for guys that fit into this ‘no money for you’ crowd, who have contributed legitimately important art, is it ok to buy from like a Used book/media store? At least then I’m not monetarily supporting the creep, but I am supporting the local shop.”
This is so disappointing. I was a big fan of his, and I got my wife into his books. She would have her 8th grade classes read The Graveyard Book. Most of the students loved it.
There are no heroes. If your famous, your probably a creep.
Does this mean The Dresden Dolls will be making a comeback?
She seems to be down right crazy. I only knew her from the Dresden Dolls. I didn't know she still had career. I thought she was washing cars. Until all this came out.
Great video. It’s all so disappointing and depressing. Feel very sorry for the women involved. And for all of us who read and enjoyed his work over the years.
I loved his works and hate the fact that he inspired me to be a writer.
Well, I got a new short story idea: about a struggling but aspiring young writer who discovers that his Idol and mentor, a beloved author, has a dark and disturbing secret.
He has imprisoned and is "juicing" his Muse for inspiration and fame. And has a creepy collection of photos, locks of hair and jewelry from his other victims. Oh, and he's a hypocritical bigot who choses to be careful what to say in public, unlike Jo Rowling.
The young writer is conflicted but reverts back to passive, cowardly self. That is until his own Muse both pleads for her sister and scolds him to find the courage to stand against evil.
Me too, I did interact with some of his work but never had the obsessive attachment of some of my peers. I always felt anxiety about not liking his work enough. Of course it's now "How DARE you say his work wasn't perfect and brilliant before." 🤷♂️
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Only disgusting pretend kink is an excuse for abuse.
This was hard for me to watch. But, I am no stranger to loving the art and hating the writer.
Does the current post of the article still include the Scientology stuff? I was told it had been removed. (I have an archive PDF, if anyone needs it.)
- Wanda from Sandman? Worth it. Especially since i already own it.
- anything new that POS does? Nope.
- anything past or future from JKK? LOL.
As for Gaiman fans...I left a particular Sandman group on FB last year - the woman that runs it will NOT take ANY criticism of NG and has...disagreeable views. (Understatement).
sigh.
Innocent creatives and non-creatives are involved.
I think I can just about separate the movie Coraline from him as it's not just *his* & I prefer the changes they made. But...
cuz, well, hell then, I guess every horror or "dark" writer ever is a despicable predator, well done, that was a bright and easy red flag, whew
I was watching a video by a woman who was adamant that you should KNOW that he was writing about himself in that story. All (male only? she was unclear) writer characters=author avagtars she sez
Plenty of good artists around.
Books are an easy decision.
Where does it end?
There are no heroes. If your famous, your probably a creep.
Does this mean The Dresden Dolls will be making a comeback?
Well, I got a new short story idea: about a struggling but aspiring young writer who discovers that his Idol and mentor, a beloved author, has a dark and disturbing secret.
I choose to not finically support either.