IMO, mentioning which assets were being used at which time would allow someone to counter the threat if they are in the message stream in real-time. If we can design tools that enable that type of intercept, then they can as well.
If the Signal chat group had included a less honorable journalist who decided to live tweet the chat, you can be sure that the Houthis would have, sooner rather than later, read the tweet, giving them enough time to evacuate the target and/or herd civilians into the target areas.
And should that attack have even happened? I mean they bombed an apartment building with civilians inside. Are we okay with this? Is this why it was spoken about on Snapchat? So it could be easily covered up?
As someone pointed out, if Goldberg had called the White House to confirm and asked could he publish the content, what response do you think he would've received? Fuck No, it's top secret!!
Not if your goal is to hand your own troops a humiliating defeat so that your enemy can steal your stuff and use it to bolster their own non-functional equipment.
It’s sad how Segeth’s latest gaslighting defense (to justify his violation of OPSEC by using Signal to share classified info) is saying he wasn’t sharing “WAR plans”, but “ATTACK plans” (as if it’s okay to disclose ANY classified info. over an unsecure app, esp. before operation has even begun).
Meanwhile, DT Admin pretends they’re in a state of declared WAR w/ Venezuela, used as an excuse to invoke ARA to deprive migrants of their due process rights before a deportation order is carried out.
These nincompoops use the word “WAR” to mean whatever they want it to mean when it’s convenient.
It’s obvious to anyone remotely paying attention to news that US currently isn’t in a state of declared war with either Houti rebels or Tren De Aragua, or ANY foreign Nation for that matter (last time was WWII, & also last time AEA was invoked).
War plans are made IN ANTICIPATION of State of war.
"These nincompoops use the word “WAR” to mean whatever they want it to mean when it’s convenient." These nincompoops use all words to mean what they want them to mean. Lewis Carroll was prescient. Remember Humpty Dumpty?
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master —that’s all.”
Everyone answering (or non-answering) this issue is following Trump 101 - never admit guilt, blame someone else, muddy the waters so the question is in question, etc.!
The Germans just found the top US officials data and passwords floating around the interwebs. You have to translate it but the entire security personnel is heavily compromised
Damn if I can find any clips of it - but trump repeatedly boasted about 'not announcing military plans in advance' in years past, and viciously mocked - complete with comical voice - fictitious, inept Generals for doing so. Somewhere in term one, relating to Afghanistan or Isis, as I recall.
You might well think so, but see... our Republican friends have special rules for themselves. And hysteria over Maxine Waters, Jasmine Crockett, even Kamala Harris and HRC.... say, they're all ladies, and the first three are Black!? Coincidence, no doubt...
There are air defenses that could have potentially killed our service members if this stuff leaked and they act like it's not a big deal. Battle plans are definitely classified, along with strike times and what is attacking the targets. All of the people need to be fired.
Her millionaire daddy-husband bought her a job, and she sure excels in telling lies. She has an 8 months old son but her priorities are catering to Trump or travel with him rather than taking care of her baby.
Should an impeding attack be shared on an unsecured app where a reporter was accidentally invited too? I’m no Jason Bourne, but I’ve watched enough action spy flicks to know this is wrong.
The correct response to this catastrophe would have been to apologise to the nation, sack all those involved, & begin an immediate inquiry.. That Trump & Hegseth immediately sought to disparage the journalist, knowing he had all the evidence at hand, shows alarming disregard for national security
did they steal a few of those boring tunneling machines?
they keep digging themselves crazy deeper graves with lies to cover up more lies.🧐
more crimes may momentarily divert attention from past crimes, but evidence is easily archived & distributed at light 🌈 speed via fiber optics these days. ❤️🔥💞💝
Republicans & MAGA 🤔asking themselves....How can we spin this to blame it on Biden?....and can we also drag in Hunter's laptop? Karoline Leavitt, what do you think?
Any of these people gamers? Why not do all this on Discord? Do that and let’s see Trump talk about it. Signal is an easy word to use in conversation…let’s see Trump figure out how to work the word “discord” into a conversation. Could be funny
Every member of the admin on that group chat knowingly broke the law requiring record maintenance & endangered national security.
Unsecured devices & software as advised in Project 2025 training.
Congress should investigate beyond this one time.
How many similar chats have taken place?
Other plans?
Should the DOJ be controlled by whoever the President is at the time? Seems obvious doesn't it, maybe let's have that discussion on air. Project Progressive a comprehensive plan for opposition, reelection, and safeguarding the US is needed and no Democrat is interested or willing to write it.
Can we please talk about whether such an attack was a good idea in the first place? We've got a bunch of rogue actors and everybody's acting like it's the words they speak that are the problem.
A simple Google search will tell you what area of Yemen the Houthis control
A two hour evacuation window could’ve helped those targets immensely
They should be thanking Jeffrey Goldberg for keeping that information so close to the vest and not endangering our military as carelessly as they did.
Clueless ignorant MAGAts are now claiming that the Secretary of Defense sits around deciding what is and is not classified. That is NOT how this works.
Even IF the information in that group chat wasn’t classified, it was, Tulsi Gabbard herself said, sensitive, and anybody who has been or is a part of the intelligence community knows that sensitive is just as bad
It'd kinda be nice if Democrats would at least pretend to give a shit that war crimes were committed but I guess that's too much to ask them to be upset about anything other than them not being planned out quietly enough....🤦♀️
I keep wondering this too. But I also don't know if a journalist caught in the middle of such a situation would have enough background information to know if other people could be endangered by sharing the information. (Or even if the information is true).
I wouldn't ask Goldberg to push it so far...I just want people to notice that the media is totally ignoring how evil and stupid it is to make anti-American radicals out of the famlies of 51 people.
I heard a MSNBC guest say that rather than Goldberg running today’s Atlantic story before the hearing, they wished Goldberg had turned the info over to Senate Dems so they could use it to ask Tulsi under oath.
That’d have delayed news release for a few hours, but could’ve upped pressure on DT.
That assumes that the Senate would have had the balls to bring it up.
Which they don't. The GOP would have buried this, one way or the other.
They refuse to criticize ANYTHING Trump says or does.
Doesn't matter if it's legal, logical, or likeable.
Trump is treated as if he is a GOD.
And God help us.
Maybe. But than him leaving the group chat, I'm not gonna be too hard on him for any of it. Hard to predict what this buffoonish administration will do. It played out well.
There are multiple categories of classified information …
While lot of information is given a long term Classified status a lot of things (like active mission details) are given a default Classified status until after it’s (obviously) public knowledge.
What does the military think? Using insecure personal phones & insecure app in freaking Moscow to share a detailed schedule & denying this is wrong. This says military ppl aren't worth the effort of obeying security protocols esp if BFDs want to make sure there's no record in defiance of US law.
Yeah, it's not like a surprise birthday party...the target won't play along and let on they don't know and awkwardly get blown to bits trying to act like a person who wasn't expecting to be blown to bits.
This administration and the GOP-MAGAats refuse to admit mistakes. But the GOP has been that way for years. Admitted guilt is weakness to them. Misogyny on overdrive.
Literally the only kind of military strategy Trump thinks he understands is "sneaking up" on the enemy. I'm kind of surprised he's not more mad about this. He might just be so stoned and/or senile that he doesn't even care about his weird obsessions anymore.
From what
I've seen of international comments so far the administration is A LAUGHINGSTOCK of bumbling hand-in-the-cookie-jar-obvious Liars & incompetents...😬
Yes it should. Most of the time. You see Trump was attacking a key ally of the Marines. You know the United The Proud The Marines. So if you wanna keep that a secret from Marines you have to be smarter than a Marine. We donteven know if Marine is a water word or a ground word.Water sometimes ground.
C'mon...
We've all done things we're not proud of.
Everyone has probably committed a high crime, while trying to break rules we badgered others for bending far less - and then tried to lie about it so much that it just sounded like threats against who caught us.
Watch some FOX News and chillax.
The sheer incompetence of this administration is nothing short of breathtaking, a staggering display of ineptitude that defies all rational comprehension.
Isn't the real question no one seems to be asking: Why? If it's to keep from having documentation of actions or conversations, that is a huge problem. How often are texts used between cabinet members regarding national secrets? No one seems to be covering this.
Tom Nichols just now on MSNBC asked, How did Hegseth get those "strike packages" from a secured setting to an unsecured setting? I have wondered that from the very beginning. Some how they got out of the SCIFF.
When you finally realize the actually obvious sole purpose of all this “incompetence” is destroying the country for Putin to rebuild as an efficient griftocracy, it no longer seems incompetent ,which is the less comfortable but more plausible explanation.
Chris,
They were reporting real-time eyes on terrorist target locations and immediate Battle Damage Assessment.
1. Did we have SOF troops on the ground?
2. Did we have Intelligence Assets on the ground?
3. Have they been exfilarated?
4. Are they still at risk?
I kind of think it should’ve been put on X ,Facebook, Instagram and any other social media.
After all, it was not confidential there was no confidential information in there
This is so serious. I told someone on here before I was married to an officer in the military and even he could not tell me his mission at the time. If he were to blast it over s commercial app. he would have faced court martial.
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America needs to save itself!
You can’t declassify it in your brain and blurt it out.
which way are the missles pointed
And yes, this falls under the SECRET category.
How did this loon make it in the military?
I’m gonna surprise myself and set the alarm for 6 am tomorrow
A secret from the President
You could even get Bullshit Barbie to announce it publicly.
These nincompoops use the word “WAR” to mean whatever they want it to mean when it’s convenient.
War plans are made IN ANTICIPATION of State of war.
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master —that’s all.”
What do you think the odds are of AG Bondi ordered FBI Dir. K$H Patel to investigate Hegseth, so DOJ can indict Petey for perjury?
Holy AF.
More disrespect for those that actually put their lives on the line, instead of the cosplaying losers.
-Plato
"Sources And Methods"
Targeting Done Only On Classified Systems.
Original Classification Authority (OCA) - HAS Changed - NOT For The Good Of #America.
Enemies Can Now Take Greater Advantage of #USA WEAKENED Military Leadership.
https://bsky.app/profile/bunkunin.bsky.social/post/3llcrwtnjps2o
The Germans just found the top US officials data and passwords floating around the interwebs. You have to translate it but the entire security personnel is heavily compromised
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/usa-private-daten-von-sicherheitspolitikern-im-netz-a-132886fa-7d7e-4698-9507-a3423b23bddc
https://bsky.app/profile/paleofuture.bsky.social/post/3llccznpbvc2r
but they are doing excessive magat imitations of being intentionally so
They did or didn’t do something? They’ll never tell! We MUST educate the public on spotting disinformation and flat out false information.
Moniker #baghdadbarbie
(I flatter myself that I alone came up with it weeks/months/years? ago because I didn’t steal it)
they keep digging themselves crazy deeper graves with lies to cover up more lies.🧐
more crimes may momentarily divert attention from past crimes, but evidence is easily archived & distributed at light 🌈 speed via fiber optics these days. ❤️🔥💞💝
It's in there, and it's automatic .
https://bsky.app/profile/chrislhayes.bsky.social/post/3llchtcwk4s2j
LOOK, SHINY, SHINY, BUT HER EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://justweighing.com/
Unsecured devices & software as advised in Project 2025 training.
Congress should investigate beyond this one time.
How many similar chats have taken place?
Other plans?
The future pilots widow might disagree but probably a Democrat pilot so…
A two hour evacuation window could’ve helped those targets immensely
They should be thanking Jeffrey Goldberg for keeping that information so close to the vest and not endangering our military as carelessly as they did.
- Presumably
Second a bad player might have been able to add a participant but not decode the program.
WHY haven’t they realized, a bad player would add a hacked phone. They need to check the reporter’s phone for spyware.
That’d have delayed news release for a few hours, but could’ve upped pressure on DT.
Which they don't. The GOP would have buried this, one way or the other.
They refuse to criticize ANYTHING Trump says or does.
Doesn't matter if it's legal, logical, or likeable.
Trump is treated as if he is a GOD.
And God help us.
While lot of information is given a long term Classified status a lot of things (like active mission details) are given a default Classified status until after it’s (obviously) public knowledge.
https://bsky.app/profile/chrislhayes.bsky.social/post/3llchtcwk4s2j
…so it kinda makes sense that they “were unaware of” or “could not recall” any of the rules
#PlausibleDeniability
Where the fuck did that even come from?
I've seen of international comments so far the administration is A LAUGHINGSTOCK of bumbling hand-in-the-cookie-jar-obvious Liars & incompetents...😬
Perhaps it's a Shroginer's surprise?
https://bsky.app/profile/rocketsfriends.bsky.social/post/3ljsfum4l6s2v
We've all done things we're not proud of.
Everyone has probably committed a high crime, while trying to break rules we badgered others for bending far less - and then tried to lie about it so much that it just sounded like threats against who caught us.
Watch some FOX News and chillax.
If they are using personal devices, it means Americans' lives are still being put in danger.
They were reporting real-time eyes on terrorist target locations and immediate Battle Damage Assessment.
1. Did we have SOF troops on the ground?
2. Did we have Intelligence Assets on the ground?
3. Have they been exfilarated?
4. Are they still at risk?
After all, it was not confidential there was no confidential information in there
That was just a mission. This was a war strike.