Sadly it is armaments that maintain the peace. You’d think WW1 cured war. No. You’d think WW2 cured war. No. Dangerous leaders consistently and persistently arise. Even in democracies. Go figure.
They’ve been hacking our systems for years. All they’d have to do is hit a few buttons to send our country in a total spiral. Know weapons needed. They know it and so does our government.
You do know that an EMP as a stand alone device is science fiction?
They're just a product of a nuclear explosion. So the only way for China to use an "EMP" would be to detonate a nuke.
Pretty sure that would escalate.
Pretend their minds are a house. "The call is coming from inside."
The only attack they need to worry about is the one they scare themselves into....but, then.. you know... the people obviously trying to make people think that.
Tell that to Mike War-with-China-Is-Imminent Pezzullo and Peter War-with-China-Is-Imminent Hartcher, the archangels of war-is-good-economics... #auspol
U sure? It's improbable at the moment. But it's not impossible. Russia is more likely. Unfortunately, I'd suspect the USA is even more likely. How's that for looniness? Check Putin's playbook....
Comments from the LNP like that just ruin our diplomatic and trade relations with China..Wong has helped revitalise our relationship. Farmers and wine makers are grateful. This party is a nightmare. I've never seen anything like this in over 50 years of voting.
The anti-China fears are crazy. I don’t like the way they choose to govern their people, but they’re not even remotely prepared to invade America. At most it would be nuclear war and they would lose that too.
An ‘invasion’—or any physical confrontation for that matter—makes no sense.
They’ve spent decades positioning themselves to crash our entire economy overnight—why risk lives if you can just dump all of your treasury bonds and watch the ensuing calamity destroy us from within?
Yes, clearly occupying Tibet, East Turkestan, the South China Sea, parts of India, 12% of Bhutan, regularly attacking Filipino fishing boats, and threatening war on Taiwan arent militaristic at all.
Attacking fishing boats? Yeah let's start WW3 over that. 🤦♀️🙄 Those territories are arbitrary, and in dispute This is the most ridiculous tweet of the day. #SinoPhobe 🤡💩 China is occupying the south China 🇨🇳 sea? Why the fuk do you think they call it the CHINA sea, because it's theirs.
South China Sea is western name. China claims were invented in the 1930s. So ignorant was China of the area that they sent to Manila for US maps and then used the names for the rocks, bars, & islands in the area transliterated directly from English. See Bill Hayton's excellent work on this.
"Arbitrary and in dispute" -- exactly right. This dude discovers the nation state, apparently yesterday, complete with spheres of influence, and acts like it's some big "gotcha, 'orientalists' or whatever the hell." And telling a working class person from the US South that Sinophobia isn't real ...
... the curiously Orwellian twist of asserting that westerners only believe in anti-Chinese racism because they are, themselves, racist. Sounds like the kind of inverted mutant gibberish that would come out of a particularly bellicose and propagandistically-inclined department of state somewhere.
Wild misinterpretation. So ironic. "Sinophobia" accusations have the same function as Israel claiming anti-Semitism whenever someone criticizes its actions in Gaza. It's not that the racism isn't real but rather how the propaganda exploits it to silence criticism and cover its own racism/imperialism
Where did I claim China isn't militaristic? Qualified, relative startements have a benefit of adding flexibility and function to language. Try again, or, preferably, don't. We both know this will get tiresome as all hell if you go on.
When you wrote that Anglophones were especially so. There's no important difference between Han chauvinism and Anglophone racism, and no important difference between PRC expansionism and Anglophone. Orientalizing China simply creates special moral categories that don't exist in the real world.
Homie, it was a joke about Angolphones freaking out about uniquely Anglophone shit. Namely, virulent sinophobia. Orientalizing nothing, just attending to material behavior and concrete discourse. I can't take the proposition those dyads you named aren't composed of very different things seriously.
Again with the orientalizing. There's no such thing as "Sinophobia". That term just describes the PRC leveraging western racism and orientalization to pretend it's not a militaristic, racist, and colonial power.
Peter Dutton (🦏 Rhinoarses racist bitch) is an evil lazy lying misogynist and pedophile loving grub. No costings - hasn't done any work - negative and bitter twisted POS - a corrupt liar. Not ready? Never will be.
Yes but think of the perks! A cushy job writing for Mudrock papers and at right wing “think” tanks. Plus you get to be taken very seriously in panels on Sky and the ABC. There is no penalty for irresponsible rhetoric.
Especially since they’re the same people that like we ditched watercraft capable of navigating our shallow coastlines in provision of superior defence capabilities in favour of long mission large vessels that project our largely impotent power into the South China Sea.
If China wants to attack Australia it’ll take them no more than one day . Submarines and boats with millions of China’s Army
will walk casually onto the mainland , Dutton wouldn’t know what hit him .🤣🤣🤣 Look at the “ Heads” in our Defence Force , they are a joke .
Agreed and hence AUKUS is a total farce. Even if those nuclear subs should ever turn up, why does Oz require attack class submarines?
IT WOULD BE LAUGHABLE IF IT DIDN'T COST US $368 BILLION!
China hasn't invaded any countries that aren't neighboring countries though. They're smart enough to know they don't need to attack the US at this point. Rednote is full of posts saying, "Sorry about your country, but this is really good for China!" Xi knows he just has to make the US irrelevant.
What's easier: Proxy domination because you have a stooge governing whatever country you wanted, without having to fire a bullet? Or starting a shooting war?
exactly. it would be crazy to invade taiwan now — let alone *australia* — because china has never been in a better ‘soft power’ position, ideally placed to sweep former american assets into its fold & become THE global economic superpower
i simply don’t believe xi and co. are stupid enough to do it
The question they never answer is “why the fuck would China want to invade us” they have not been involved in an overseas war in 40 years and have only one base outside of their borders. Those arguing this are trying to divert our attention
Ohh honey, it’s giving dictatorship-oppression-sympathy with a dash of paid bot. Defend ourselves? From the Chinese cyber attacks in the last decade? Or the Chinese paid aid to opposition of Allys. But let’s disregard our frenemy trading partner and look at the disinformation they feed their people
I for one, refuse to believe any govt who suppresses their peoples basic human rights like freedom of speech for ex, isn’t up to corruption. Like sinister inhumane activities, to which whistleblowers and those who escaped can recap the atrocities.
Defending ourselves, has been a struggle, since do they know from who? And when do they tell us? How much info? And without ringing alarms of war isn’t that what we’re doing to them? And aren’t we all just in on the bs look at corona. News around the world. How many cases made the news in a number
It’s all a bunch of bs. They know what we’re up to we know what they’re up to. Defending is just another psyop, to pass the time til the next paragraph in the script of bs and lies. Meanwhile innocent people cannot live freely and or die. It’s sick
We have been in a constant cybersecurity cold war with them. Not to mention China and Russia (successfully) influencing our elections through social media, money, bots, propaganda.
Are they going to send troops to our mainland? Probably not. What do you mean by attack?
in fact, the USA is the clear aggressor in any conflict; they threaten China constantly with hundreds of nearby military bases, a nuclear arsenal stationed right outside China's borders, by keeping aircraft carriers on the border, and constant military exercises.
I see a lot of pro-China posts here ... maybe I should remind everyone that they are a krypto-communist regime that practices genocide against the Tibetan and Uyghur peoples ? they constantly threaten democratic Taiwan and are building their military strength to impose their will in SE Asia ???
I don’t think this is a pro-China post, it’s just an observation that China has the more powerful economic position compared to the US. That’s just a fact. They own enough US govt debt to tank the dollar as the global trade currency.
This is probably part of their calculus wrt Taiwan, too. A military invasion would damage a lot of useful and valuable infrastructure. That said, they really really really want to absorb Taiwan into the PRC.
not pro-china, but why would they waste military personnel & equipment on a country full of morons, led by a lunatic? they're spreading influence worldwide with belts & roads...you know, the same kind of think the US used to do to make friends & influence people. US is not worth the candle.
It's a Russian practice to keep the officers close to the front. This is where the decisions are made. I grant there may be opportunist mercs there, though I think this is severely discouraged by the CPC.
Ah yes, the entire secret of Russia offering money for mercenaries, their IDs and passports prove they've been sent by the PLA, as they always carry passports in the PLA?
Follow the money:
Govt pays $B to 'defense' industry
industry employs former politicians
industry donates millions to think tanks and political parties
think tanks publish papers saying "spend more"
poor governance means $B wasted
industry makes $B without delivering
It's impossible to take and hold the United States, even if we were caught with our pants massively down. This place is too big to hold and pacify. We're also surrounded by water, meaning any invading force would have ridiculous supply lines. It ain't happening.
Look IFFF they do attack us, it'd be for our minerals, yes?
So why should we (actual) taxpayers pay to defend digging up our sh1t and giving it away for a song... SHOULDN'T THEY PAY TAX TO FUND THEIR SECURITY?! Make them pay for it (and also our health, education and infrastructure)
Well now hang on, all China has to do is sail some 6,000kms around several countries with little to no supply chain to reach at best the shore of southern Queensland, and assuming no one notices and tries to repel them.
As far as I'm fucking concerned, we should just defund the department of defense at this point because if they aren't attacking us NOW, when we are maximum dysfunction, they're not a threat to us.
The real question would be how? If you honestly believe the Chinese are coming for us? We’re not beating them with a couple of squadrons of F35s and a handful of subs we’ll probably never get. They’ve got us just a smidge outnumbered.
Our greatest enemies would be the countries that want to stop shipping along the routes to our biggest trading partners, and produces competitive products.
Our biggest trading partner is China.
Is there a country that wants to shut down trade routes to China? Sells wheat? Barley? Beef?
Are you saying we SHOULD NOT defend ourselves or that China isn't going to attack? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to learn here. I'm sure that sounds snarky but I'm actually asking.
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...is call in some loans.
They're just a product of a nuclear explosion. So the only way for China to use an "EMP" would be to detonate a nuke.
Pretty sure that would escalate.
the actual issue is that protecting a device from one is not difficult
They don’t like it up ‘em!
The only attack they need to worry about is the one they scare themselves into....but, then.. you know... the people obviously trying to make people think that.
They took a tour around Australia; able to disrupt airlines, shipping and cut supplies.
So let's be nice, and hope they are too.
Intelligence and private data attack? Already happening
They’ve spent decades positioning themselves to crash our entire economy overnight—why risk lives if you can just dump all of your treasury bonds and watch the ensuing calamity destroy us from within?
Or are you implying that it shouldn't influence our defence policy?
'In order to protect us from which enemy?'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgspkxfkS4k
Stock in weapon manufacturers? Why would you ask that…
Just an excuse in further inflate the military budget to give more money to private defense contractors.
It will never happen. Far more chance it will be America who take us over. 😳 oh 💩, they already have….thanks to the piss weak duopoly
will walk casually onto the mainland , Dutton wouldn’t know what hit him .🤣🤣🤣 Look at the “ Heads” in our Defence Force , they are a joke .
IT WOULD BE LAUGHABLE IF IT DIDN'T COST US $368 BILLION!
Dangerous inept and unfit to govern.
Hong Kong
What's easier: Proxy domination because you have a stooge governing whatever country you wanted, without having to fire a bullet? Or starting a shooting war?
i simply don’t believe xi and co. are stupid enough to do it
That's a silly place to be.
I'm in your workplace convincing you to unionise and then we take back the means of production...
What weirdos think that happens under your bed?
I'm waiting for the "boat people" scare...
I for one, refuse to believe any govt who suppresses their peoples basic human rights like freedom of speech for ex, isn’t up to corruption. Like sinister inhumane activities, to which whistleblowers and those who escaped can recap the atrocities.
Are they going to send troops to our mainland? Probably not. What do you mean by attack?
they have their economic bloc, and unless the US attacks first they do not pick fights.
2. Do you mean physical attack? Or do cybersecurity and election attacks count as attacks?
The US is the offending nation.
They don't manipulate elections, or launch cyber attacks, and have yet to ever initiate a war outside their borders in modern history.
They have no external military bases either.
They have no interest in war.
There are no large corporations outside of CCP’s control.
Hong Kong was supposed to be returned after the British occupation, and Taiwan is a separatist state.
Neither are internationally recognized.
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How about the USA?
Well, they don’t have churros emoji’s, but if they did, I’d have to post several of them. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan.
Then the coups, the proxies, the cold wars, and political interference on top of that.
We have their documents, even credit cards. They are citizens of China."
Govt pays $B to 'defense' industry
industry employs former politicians
industry donates millions to think tanks and political parties
think tanks publish papers saying "spend more"
poor governance means $B wasted
industry makes $B without delivering
all with taxpayer money
https://youtu.be/AjGXn249Fc0?si=P60rfW282qclsMDJ
Looks that way to Ukraine as well.
So why should we (actual) taxpayers pay to defend digging up our sh1t and giving it away for a song... SHOULDN'T THEY PAY TAX TO FUND THEIR SECURITY?! Make them pay for it (and also our health, education and infrastructure)
Easy as.
I'm sure Beijing understands "never interrupt your adversaries while they are destroying themselves" very well indeed.
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We are more likely to be attacked by the Americans they want our country's money to build subs etc 😳🤣🤣
Hybrid war provides quite a lot of alternatives
Our biggest trading partner is China.
Is there a country that wants to shut down trade routes to China? Sells wheat? Barley? Beef?