When the media calls Bluesky a “liberal” platform they are missing the point. It’s not about politics. It’s about decency. Putting this into a left/right dichotomy is just further normalizing the behavior of deranged MAGA trolls.
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To that end, this platform is welcoming to folks across the political spectrum—and to people who are not political at all. Athletes, musicians, artists, authors, government officials, etc—all are welcome. Just follow the golden rule: don’t be a d*ck.
You mean like how Meidas trashed Joe and Mika today for attempting to provide coverage of a president (even if we hate him)? I was severely disappointed in what was an insanely deliberate attack on MainStream media. It sure felt like you were growing your brand and not just doing what is right.
Who tf cares what the media is saying? Liberals are always on the defensive - fuck that we need to own it.
I’m thrilled seeing like minded people on here, it gives me hope that we’ll make it through these next 4 yrs.
I’m totally cool having respectful discussion based on facts. What’s not cool are the trolls and cultists who form their own “facts” based on what they want them to be, demean anyone who is different than them and resort to name calling to, I guess, make themselves feel better.
See that's what I have always said. When I used to disagree on Twitter, it never turned into a horror match. We would give our opinions. Even one of us would state we were wrong or at an impasse. Simple as that. Now it has turned into an insane asylum.
I don’t understand the point of this site. It’s a great place to recharge our political batteries but there seems to be a subtle pushback on having actual conversations where we might disagree.
The site is simple if you stop looking at it as a political tools (the same way no one looks at instagram, facebook or LinkedIn as political platforms). It is an open source platform that allows you to curate your own feed based on your interest instead of having 1 algorithm imposed on you.
But I do have concerns about this app which is a refreshing change from Twitter, could fast become our own echo chamber. I’m on the lookout for that tbh. ✌🏼
If you check follows, you'd see most of us have a range of 🔵 and 🔴 that we follow, what we don't have or want are Trumper puppets that spew nonsensical BS. I follow Kinzinger, I disagree with much of his politics, and would enjoy a Civil debate with him. But I see him as a "normal" conservative.
It would be helpful if the conservatives on this site put together a starter pack of more right leaning voices so that we could all have access to balanced views and engage in civil debate about the issues.
I agree with your concerns Susan.
I'd describe myself as centre right these days and any attempt to have discussion so far is met with name calling from the left, hope this changes in time
The great thing is that other people can block others and it doesn't affect you.
You are only in an echo chamber here if you create one for yourself.
Other people may want to block people for any number of reasons and it doesn't affect you.
when i was on twitter over ten years ago politics was pretty low down in the conversations , people should be free to engage in whatever they want whether its politics or just a chat , as long as it dosent get abusive , and if you dont like what you see block it .
You’re in denial that Republicans and MAGA will listen, engage, care, & take in new information. The saneest Republicans I know REFUSE to change their minds about anything; just ask Tennessee Brando. It’s hard to accept, but they are impenetrable; might as well have a civilized convo with facts.
Actually, I think Blue Sky is already showing signs of becoming the echo chamber that you’re worried about.
I suspect it will just take time for me to figure out which accounts generally deliver useful content versus those that are just looking for ‘Likes’. We’ll see. 😊
I'm not, I've so far seen plenty of debates being hashed out on here and indepth discussion of contentious topics. Some people may choose to create their own echo chambers, but a lot of people on all social media already did that on all sites.
I would think a conservative would want to limit government spending and I can get behind that. Every Republican President has increased the National Debt. Bill Clinton was paying down the National Debt and even had a surplus. I think we can talk about Justice, I think we need to shift our justice
I'm doing my best to look for posts from people of all sides. I keep scrolling when I see an outlandishly one-sided comment and look for ones that bring a little more insight to the conversation and heart those.
I WANT to understand those who feel differently than I do in hopes they do the same.
I agree with @bmeiselas.bsky.social. It’s fine to disagree, just don’t be a d*ck about it. The cesspool formerly known as Twitter places a premium on inflammatory disinformation designed to generate heat rather than light.
What I am looking for is a place to find people who want a better world, and make plans that help people stay safe and build a healthier future. Not another place to argue. I am a builder, not a debater. But that’s just me? 🤷♀️
Not fighting but civil discussion on topics where we might both be Dems, both seek fairness and justice in the world but might have different ideas as to how? That, to me, is a site with purpose greater than for just spending time and alleviating anxiety over trump
If that’s what you are looking for, then find those who enrich that. The point for me being here is I can express ideas without hate. We may disagree but I’m not going to be called a libtard for my views. I miss politics when the left and right debated policy. :-).
We moved here because there was no honest discourse to be had on Twitter or Facebook. They are designed to stir up negative discourse with people refusing to be genuine with one another. You can spread ideas and opinions over the internet, but you can't change someone else's once they're sure of it.
Absolutely. It’s quite easy to spot those who argue in bad faith and whose intentions are clear in that they just want to provoke a reaction and “pwn the libz” and are clearly not here to have a conversation about a disagreement and why we should carefully consider their thought out arguments.
🎯 🎯 It’s not about building an echo chamber. It’s about a) competing with a megalomaniac billionaire we just saw use X to turn it into a bullhorn for his own agendas and b) engaging in conversations with actual ppl.
Continuing on. Being 3RD Party, I expect to have several disagreements with some people here. Especially if they start spouting the 3 LIES about voting 3rd Party.
1: Wasted Vote.
2: Vote for "other" Guy.
3: THIS Election too Important.*
As my handle suggests, I am a 3RD PARTY Member and Voter. Ever since I nearly gave my Republican parents Heart Attacks by Registering with a 3RD Party, I have fought diligently against the 2 EVILS SYSTEM. While I did vote for Harris this time, I haven't given up the fight yet. Nor should the Left.
This is 100% right. In a normal time with normal politics, I tend to lean a little right. But there is no right and left anymore. There’s insanity and reality. I choose reality. If that means voting for liberals I don’t always agree with, that’s OK with me.
What made me angry was the Maggatts who told me to shut up because I know nuthin’ about anything.
I may be older but I still have common sense and respect for others.
There is a lot to be said about the wisdom of crowds and divergent thinking. We need diversity of thought to challenge our assumptions. If everyone agreed on everything all of the time, that would be really, really bad.
That’s just fine. But in civil discourse, there is a line not to be crossed. On X that line was crossed daily. I prefer a platform where we can disagree without name calling & vitriol.
I've noticed that as well. I felt so bad for Russell Moore when he posted that he would be on Bluesky and was verbally attacked on that post by so many magas, rabidly and cruelly. And these are people who call themselves Christ followers. And then they disparage the site as well. Sad!
You can't have a conversation with someone who says everything you say is "fake news".
My sister's husband is a rt wing twitter troll. He uses his account solely to troll & call "liars" and "POS": Warren,Schiff,Biden,Swalwell,AOC, Stephen King, Barbara Streisand, Rob Reiner ... Anyone on the left
Spot on Brett. Putting it into a left/right dichotomy is putting blinkers on so that the wide fields of Human discussions are narrowed to a few so that it can be controlled. But to begin building a new social structure requires a landscape of human thought to be understood.
It’s telling that the Twitter trolls are discussing how to come here to spread their hate/chaos/harrassment — fortunately for us there are robust tools here to protect ourselves
It is nice to scroll over different topics of interest and not see unhinged, chaotic comments. I like this app & the fact we can mass block the hate. 😁
It's also about boundaries, no different than those we that we have IRL. Twitter has none, it's like a pub at 3am in small town Alabama, and that not where most people wanna have meaningful conversations.
That's spot on, Brett. I suspect I'd disagree with the politics of many of your supporters, for instance, yet we all seem to agree on the absolute indecency we see before us. Still our media portrays the obscene as an equal option. 😧
IMO it's impossible to agree with someone all the time, no matter how long you've known each other. We are after all individuals with our own way of seeing things but we can all be respectful & agree to disagree, if we are decent humans. Perhaps that's the difference between magats & the rest of us🤠
This could be a place to debate and have smart conversations but over at the cesspool its argue, hurl threats and basically everything the 1A doesn’t protect.
I think 🤔.. used to be a thing called CLUBS and people used to gather with other like minded people and socialize 🤗 If this is wrong? I don't want to be right.
i'm getting sick now .. why did they not fight? woosies .. gonna be hell on earth unless something happens before jan 20 .. and by then they will =never give up power .. what did trump mean when he said he should have never left the WH .. he rigged the election and set a trap
I’m perfectly fine being on a platform that isn’t polluted with ignorant bigots and cousin fuckers. I want nothing to do w those people as they are the dregs. Call me as liberal as you want, I look down on those people and I think it’s acceptable to hold them to account.
Therein lies the issue with 2-party politics and thinking. It's like there are, in reality, at least 4 parties in the US - far left / left / right / far right - but their members are stuffed into one of 2 parties. Left VS Right. Us VS Them. Divide and conquer. And the rich are the ones who benefit.
Bingo! It's a pleasure to actually have a conversation without a MAGA troll resorting to childish name-calling. It is about decency. Sadly, that stopped being a thing when the current owner took over.
Although I'm here largely for news - not everyone else is here for political discourse. Some people want to chat about their favourite TV show or science.
It's amazing how much far right harassment permeated every part of Twitter.
I might create an alt account here for more casual media stuff
It is not an echo chamber. It is good to discuss, share ideas, share fact-based sources, collaborate, read, reflect, and respectfully correct and disagree with each other all within a forum built for that purpose. There is a call-and-answer aspect to that, but it is not about fan-faving ignorance.
The 'mainstream media' has been 'the corporate oligarchical mouthpiece' for decades now. It's not a sudden turn of events. Most just started to finally notice it. Trouble is? 'Managed opposition' is also a real thing. Cue the 'alt-right' as a classic example of this.
109% agree and it's clarification of the desire to demean and control the narrative. Exactly what is their definition of liberal? From what I know, it's the will to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from yours or simply being open to new ideas. We know the MAGA cult can't do that.
No one should hate liberal spaces. We stand for freedom.
"Liberal can be traced back to the Latin word liber (meaning “free”), which is also the root of liberty ("the quality or state of being free") and libertine ("one leading a dissolute life")." Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
there is no left right anymore it's now sane people versus an ignorant cult that has regained power and handed it to a dangerous narcissistic sociopath ... it will be a miracle if we survive this unscathed
Trumpistains politicize everything in order to weaponize it. Trump's skill set is limited, so this, lies & stochastic terrorism is about all he has. I just want to know who really thinks this election was legitimate?
I agree 100%. I like learning from others. I know that I don't know everything. What I can stand is the lack of civil dialogue. Can you imagine the Federalist Papers were written by the MAGA trolls?
Let’s work to find new language. Instead of responding let’s put forward our new vocabulary that defines our goal to have a more decent and focused style
Of politics.
My main incentive in moving is to help Muck’s platform fail. Every thing that he has changed starting with renaming it X to making people pay for blue checks pisses me off.
If we’ve learned anything, it’s the disappointing reality that MSM really does come down to clicks, ratings and fanning the flames of division. IMO it’s THE reason they became the willing pawn of those bent on the destruction of these U.S. now it’s up to sources like yours, well done so far!
A place that is nice ending up being middle and left leaning isn't the own they think it is...but when does that stop them? That's how I see it. This place is FIRST...NICE. If the kicked people end up being a certain political stripe, well...
"DECENCY" - a word that has been missing from our daily discourse for far too long.
We need it so much.
Here's another word I wish we could hear & witness more often in elected officials:
#INTEGRITY
Meidas Touch is the model for this community. Pro-Democracy and decency. Not right and left. You guys have proven it can work. You are the leaders in this space. Lead on!
When I was in the military it was always mentioned that in a combat situation, the leaders did not ordered " all republicans, attacks the left flank, all democrats attack the right flank "
We acted as a cohesive unit.
Absolutely. But we all know that the media's hot to restart their inane game of pitting sides against each other. It makes for better ratings and readership I guess. Let's not fall into it ever again.
Kinda crazy being a decent open minded person, and not a xenophobic, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic bigot is considered a negative thing by the MSM media.
Root of progressive is progressus meaning to go forward.
Root of Liberal is liber meaning free or independent.
The corporate media is bought and paid for by foreign oligarchs and domestic billionaires. The country has been leaning towards “ liberal “ ideas for decades, but if you listen to that sound wall, then of course.
Bluesky is where to learn, engage…expressing your thoughts without being set upon personally because your thoughts might be different than someone else’s. On X so much evil…
Bluesky is like walking down the street in a decent neighborhood, visiting with the various people you meet along the way & getting to discuss a myriad of topics - some political, some fun, some silly, some beautiful.
The other place is like walking somewhere drug infested, war torn, enemy overrun
We need to stop referring to NBC, CBS, ABC, NY Times et al as 'news media'. They are all light flavors of the right wing propaganda machine. They are afraid to report the truth because maga won't like it.
Speaking for myself, I'm just trying to maintain a semblance of sanity while watching our wonderful country slide into a self-inflicted authoritarian abyss.
I am a very proud “ John McCain ( bless his soul ) / Liz Cheney “ Conservative Independent . I love Bluesky ! Trump is NOT a conservative . He is a hateful , divisive , narcisstic DEMAGOGUE!!!
Brett, the media is a failure to us. They spent 10 years trying to understand MAGA, and they have overlooked half the country. Have any of them EVER asked what do everyday Dems want?
Have they even reported on anything they should have in the last 10 years?
To call out "liberal" (the MAGA "libtard"), is an attempt to hang a negative label on anyone or some group that values responsibility and a customary respect for the broadest collective, social interest.
It's a platform anyone can join. I refuse to engage with MAGAts and block them. Why engage/debate with ignorant trolls? I enjoy a good debate, but not with some uneducated, incel, hate filled, misogynist gravy seal, playing keyboard warrior from his mom's basement. Ignoring them works. They hate it.
This is the platform of America, or what it should be, not a tool of divisiveness for the sake of being divisive. Yes, I block “the base”, I’ve heard it all, I work w/ men & women who comprise “the base”, there’s no reasoning. So, here we are, tryin to find a semblance of peace & preparedness
The MSM is a right wing oligarch infested cesspool of disinformation, propaganda, clickbait, BS Op Eds and outrage farming. Bluesky is for people who give a shit about democracy and decency.
That’s the whole point about maga, they have no decency and are feeling especially now, lawless. Which some of the cabinet picks are just disgusting. But he has been disgustingly abhorrent for years as a man. Now he gets a second chance at being more disgusting.
I was hanging out on Facebook and when the troll BS started I had that old sinking feeling. Not going through that ever again. People express themselves here more whether it’s art or political views because they aren’t getting pounced on by assholes.
The aggression on X is off the charts. I deleted the app for good. If anyone has seen the 2005 movie Serenity, the RW attack gang there seems a lot like the rabid Reavers community just hell bent on ripping everything and everyone apart.
Well funny story actually. It was started with a now defunct email address and I lost the password so haven't been able to do anything to change it for years, I've tried to close the account before and failed.
The mass X exodus is just the beginning. If they miss what is going on because they call it the left soon they will find that everyone other social network has gone the way of Myspace. Viva the Peoples non-profit open source communications!!! The AP Protocol must be protected first and foremost!
People forget that social media can be more than just political hot takes. You couldn’t talk about your interests at the other place without some MAGA chud making it weird. People seem a little more confident to share more without unwarranted comments coming back and that’s a great thing.
Yep. I left because Twitter became a very toxic place. You couldn't comment or post without the risk of some obnoxious comment that had zero substance and was only intended to troll or "own" someone. I very much like sports and I would use it to get highlights or updates, but it became unbearable.
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We can talk about a lot of things that have nothing to do with politics. We just don't want to be taunted while we do it.
I’m thrilled seeing like minded people on here, it gives me hope that we’ll make it through these next 4 yrs.
I don’t understand the point of this site. It’s a great place to recharge our political batteries but there seems to be a subtle pushback on having actual conversations where we might disagree.
Quit thinking you can have a meeting of the minds with those people.
It’s pretty transparent and when I see it I disengage from it.
Having productive conversations with similarly aligned individuals and groups is where more meaningful change begins, IMO.
Baby steps, not leaps.
Not a genuine attempt to further a concept or discourse.
But I do have concerns about this app which is a refreshing change from Twitter, could fast become our own echo chamber. I’m on the lookout for that tbh. ✌🏼
I'd describe myself as centre right these days and any attempt to have discussion so far is met with name calling from the left, hope this changes in time
You are only in an echo chamber here if you create one for yourself.
Other people may want to block people for any number of reasons and it doesn't affect you.
Actually, I think Blue Sky is already showing signs of becoming the echo chamber that you’re worried about.
I suspect it will just take time for me to figure out which accounts generally deliver useful content versus those that are just looking for ‘Likes’. We’ll see. 😊
If Bluesky is an echo chamber, it's one of sharing and joy.
I'm okay with contributing to the echo here.
I WANT to understand those who feel differently than I do in hopes they do the same.
Just no.
This is the slippery slope that has led us here.
Civil disagreement is the way we round down the corners and avoid their escalation into world-threatening events.
We MUST be open to reasonable and rational debate. It’s the most fundamental liberal principle.
1: Wasted Vote.
2: Vote for "other" Guy.
3: THIS Election too Important.*
*3=Boy Who Cried Wolf.
Even so, I'll try to keep it civil. 🙂
I may be older but I still have common sense and respect for others.
My sister's husband is a rt wing twitter troll. He uses his account solely to troll & call "liars" and "POS": Warren,Schiff,Biden,Swalwell,AOC, Stephen King, Barbara Streisand, Rob Reiner ... Anyone on the left
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Twitter has become a place where you can say what you won't say in public from fear of retaliation.
You say that at work. You're fired. At school, suspended. In public places, ass kicking. In your family, uninvited. Twitter....no problems.
Bluesky is like in real life.
Their gaslighting chamber blurs it all together... They think culture wars is politics...
If they want to call our decency “liberal” I’ll take that as a huge W.
Avoid the commercial media. Starve them.
The joy of graduation was never having to see any of them ever again.
Here's another MAGA maggot to mute & block.
democratsarestupid on bsky social.
On the upside, I think they're going to have their hands full with domestic resistance for the foreseeable future.
The States will be a bulwark...for now.
They’re free to join
And we’re free filter and block.
But they are certainly the antithesis of MAGA ideology which is epitomized by “they’re eating the pets.”
There’s no reason why conservative viewpoints have to be based on lies and disrespect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsilnLnyWCA
But yeah. Sure. Tell us again how MSM is fair to both sides.
It's amazing how much far right harassment permeated every part of Twitter.
I might create an alt account here for more casual media stuff
The right needs every safe space there is—we just want discourse and dialogue.
"Liberal can be traced back to the Latin word liber (meaning “free”), which is also the root of liberty ("the quality or state of being free") and libertine ("one leading a dissolute life")." Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
All provisional ballets did not count.
Trump lost this election.. and he did it under the light of day.
They say “When my candidate wins, you’re going to get thrown in jail and rot ….” Followed by expletives.
Not the same.
Of politics.
We need it so much.
Here's another word I wish we could hear & witness more often in elected officials:
#INTEGRITY
We acted as a cohesive unit.
Root of progressive is progressus meaning to go forward.
Root of Liberal is liber meaning free or independent.
We just care that it's here and the hateful redhats are not.
Find people with pure intentions…
The other place is like walking somewhere drug infested, war torn, enemy overrun
Have they even reported on anything they should have in the last 10 years?
Nope. All Trump. Just like Fox.
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Who knew that would be something we would be trying to save in 2024
Glad you walked away. 🌹