part of what's happening right now is that the old forms (the scripts) are being degraded but the new forms either don't exist or to the extent that they do are unavailable to most. what you're left with is a society that increasingly prizes atomization but without the concept of self-creation - ThreadSky

grapesmoker.bsky.social • 6 days ago

part of what's happening right now is that the old forms (the scripts) are being degraded but the new forms either don't exist or to the extent that they do are unavailable to most. what you're left with is a society that increasingly prizes atomization but without the concept of self-creation

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grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

what this looks like functionally is the get-rich crypto or gambling scheme. the reasoning goes: society will not afford me any opportunities. thus, no one is for me unless i am for myself. and therefore anything i can do to get ahead i should do.

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

versions of this exist at the elite level too in finance and tech. those aren't any more pro-social, but they are more accepted; the old forms still have some sway in the sense that you gotta pay the rent. but for the men under discussion here those avenues are largely inaccessible for class reasons

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

so, we have a large population that demands "scripts" to live by, but the material foundations that once supported those scripts are cracking. whoops got contradictions in my mode of production again! anyway this all produces a huge amount of psychological stress in many people

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

this hits working-class men particularly hard because the social prescriptions they are handed out are so at odds with what's actually possible. this isn't to say that they have it "harder" than women, it's just that the delta between what they're told to do and what the world allows is higher

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

i don't know what the solution here is other than to mandate that everyone read richard rorty and erich fromm in schools. we're in a transitional period and maybe the solution here is just for millenials to raise their kids better than gen x has (def part of it)

nanzhounoodles.bsky.social•6 days ago

Okay, but why does this not translate into higher educational attainment, still the most obvious and least risky way of increasing earning potential.

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

i think a lot of it is the appeal of the gamble: big risk but big reward. getting a higher education is a slog; it's also one of the "scripts" that people had been taught in the past but now feel like they don't deliver

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

I think that *is* how it cashes out at the elite levels though because at that class position you simply have a wider awareness of the world. that's why crypto (on the bagholding side, rather than on the "generating" side) is largely a phenomenon of the lower-middle and working class

nanzhounoodles.bsky.social•6 days ago

That seems to support the point that young men do just want something for nothing.

grapesmoker.bsky.social•6 days ago

sure, I'm not disputing that, it's more that I think there are large-scale societal forces that explain this shift, rather than some essential male nature

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