lol i didnt say that. anti blackness is global actually! & i just think we need to be so fr about the dems and everybody else in positions of power here in the usa.. 🤷🏾♀️ nbd, let’s just be honest
Well, they aren't the fascists and we have two choices, so unless you have a brilliant plan to change that, that hasn't been tried and failed so many times over the past 200 years...
It's a Center Right party these days. I call most of the new Members like Slotkin "Cheneycrats" as they would have been Republicans 25 years ago, but have only rejected it as it has become less conservative in its far right plunge. They are trying to turn the Dems into former conservatives.
The problem is that the Democratic Party is not a monolith unlike most of the GOP. Centrist Democrats are d1ckheads. I think we can all agree with that, but the bulk of your Democratic neighbors and your far, far left neighbors have WAY more in common than they do with Fascist MAGAt d1ckheads.
Another key difference is Democrats find success despite the best efforts to sabotage any and everything Democrats do to help Americans that need it most as opposed to helping those that need it least.
Universal healthcare and free higher education, the two main asks of the furthest left politicians in the country, are solidly centrist policies on any objective scale. Republicans are fascist. Establishment democrats are center right corporatists. Progressives are moral moderates
The Dems are center-right at best. Biden was a diet Republican, the guy Obama chose to appeal to moderate Republicans. The US has no major leftist parties.
Stfu you apolitical twat. "Leftists enable Trump... dur, dur, dur." No. Your whole illustrious, infallible party paved the way since McCarthy and his "pinko" shit. You all had to save your faces, but now your asses are in a sling.
Trump was the natural end to the constant capitulation to the right that the democrats have been doing for 80 years. Turns out when you vote for -1 instead of -3 over and over you eventually get to -50.
Not to mention, Dems's response to the phrase "Make America Great Again" was to say "America is already great".
Which, was it though? I mean clearly many Americans did not feel that way. Maybe it would have been better to say "we are working on making America Great" in response.
lmao I've watched the Dems rocket to the right for 40 years, only a smooth-brained idiot like you could convince themselves they've moved left. Their pitch since Carter lost has been "We're the GOP from 8 years ago, but we pretend to feel bad about it"
Biden was THE MOST progressive since FDR. Given the propensity for non-GOP voters to stay home, blame Democrats for everything, and the underhanded methods of the GOP, this outcome was predictable. Voters need to take responsibility for where we are. We failed our reps by sitting on the sidelines.✌🏼😎
I’m a liberal trying to unite with others to defeat this regime. If you’re here to bash Dems and just create division, then we’re not on the same side of this battle. Peace out. ✌🏼😎
And if you are on the side of those that make sure Republican legislation passes then you are correct, we aren’t on the same side because I don’t think anyone who isn’t on the side of republicans should vote for these horrible bills.
Stating the facts that we are seeing with our own eyes is division? Have you kept up with how this Congress has been voting? 12 democrats voted for the legally bribe the president act… all democratic senators have voted to confirm at least 1 Trump nominee and some are in the double digits.
Those labels, assigned to vilify and discredit our efforts to overcome oppression, are not helpful or illuminating. In fact, they are counterproductive and self-defeating. If you’re not helping us, you’re hurting us. Circular firing squads will kill the resistance. Please aim your fire at the enemy.
Well duh.
Bill Clinton stole conservatism from the republican party and democrats never gave it back.
I can name the liberals who have severed in congress in the last twenty years.
It is a short list.
The media just accepts whatever framing conservatives want to use, so at this point anyone who doesn't think we should be hunting the homeless for food and sport is a bleeding heart commie
Some immediate bare-minimum ones: end the genocide, sanction "Israel", dismantle the machinery of US/western imperialism, Biden and Trump to the Hague, defund the police, abolish ICE, socialised healthcare, prison abolition, immediate green transition, trans rights, indigenous land back
Of course these are only those things theoretically achievable with a capitalist system, and the standard divider between liberal and left (somewhere between socdem and demsoc) is whether capitalism can be reformed or must be overthrown. So of course the end of capitalism is the core demand
The current confusion is due to the people who got radicalized in 2016 (on both sides) and were largely politically ignorant. Liberals aren't leftists because they don't share our values. If you DO consider yourself a leftist then please learn what it is we do and do not believe in.
There’s no route to actual control of the US Government for the left that doesn’t involve first taking control of the Democratic Party. Democratic primaries are more important than general elections, at this point.
The establishment decides the primaries, not the voters. They've built a whole system to make sure they get to decide, and anyone that challenges that is subtly hamstrung by a thousand cuts. Bernie 2016 was a prime example of that. They didn't even allow us a real primary in this last cycle.
If you care about winning, that’s the first battle to win. Trump won that battle. He overcame the Republican Party establishment to seize control of that party, then the state. If that guy can do it, so can others.
Sure, they talk about stuff like that sometimes, but they still lost to Donald Trump twice and lost both houses as well. Just making empty gestures toward good things apparently isn't enough. If you don't deliver for people, they will lose interest. And we will end up right where we are now.
Trump won in because hate - Misogyny & racism - together with gerrymandering, voter suppression & the massive right wing misinfo media tipped enough to eek by.
Biden had the most successful progressive admin in 50 years. There was a long list of deliverables but it never got coverage.
The Democratic Corporate Establishment OLD GUARD does everything it can to fight the left bc of their Oligarch donors don't want to upset the status quo.
Democrats have an age issue in Congress. Schumers got to go, AOC will rise. Biden often adjusted to the left. But the lefts constant refrain was & is - not good enough (correct & that’s your job - progress is never done). But the lefts vitriol toward Democrats gets harnessed by the right.
After speaking to colleagues, AOC won’t seek the top Dem seat on Oversight believing as in the previous race, a more senior member would be favored. “It’s actually clear to me that the underlying dynamics in the caucus have not shifted with respect to seniority as much as I think would be necessary”
Why are they always at war with us? Have you ever seen democrats work so hard to take down a Republican as they do Bernie? And Bernie ain’t really all that far left.
I just don’t see this war. There are differing opinions, and no one gets every thing they want. Some on the left think they are being prosecuted if they don’t get everything. You’re hanging on to the Bernie-Clinton primary over a decade ago?
Bernie’s great, AOC is great. Pelosi is great.
No, the Democrats who hate Bernie are the ones who won't let the primary go. We just want good things to happen in this country without being prevented by BOTH parties.
It's not even that we are being persecuted, it's that Dems would rather take corporate cash than listen to the left at all.
I only hear about it, like I this case, from folks on the left who aren’t done talking about after doing so for - is it 15 years? We’ve been discussing & debating & hypothesizing it forever.
Theres a fascist, adjudicated rapist insurrectionist convicted massive fraudster in the White House.
Get real. There is a reason Pelosi rallied the party against AOC for oversight. There is a reason the party kept Biden on the ticket when they knew we was diminished, there is a reason the party moved forward with taking out Hogg, there is a reason censures the left but indulges the right.
The DNC decided to put up a person who had been dragged since the 1990s by the GOP and had the worst reputation regardless of qualifications.
They knew she was going to lose. They took away what could have been our future.
While I feel the Bern I also understand why a party would not support a candidate who’s not in their party as their party’s candidate. I know you think that’s unfair. Can we please move on from this? It’s been like 15 years of debate.
Every Democrat doesn’t know that. Maybe you’ve not noticed in the face of own-the-libs MAGA attacks and assume a defensive unity amongst the Dems. The big top has blown off the big tent party. Way too many Dems are dismissive if not downright nasty towards the left, progressives, AOC, Bernie,…
The left hates the democratic party yet decided to PRETEND to be dems so they could sabotage the party from the inside and "dismantle" it!
Why WOULDN'T the Dems hate the left when all the left has done is push THEIR crazy agenda and turn everyone towards MAGA, even AOCs district voted trump!
The left has no sway with the Dems, what are you talking about? Dismantle it? It would be nice if they threw us a freaking bone here once in a while
They shove the woke stuff (and yes I believe in minority rights) so that we make zero headwinds with ANY desperately needed economic reform
The picture shows only Justice Democrats posts. Not convincing.
The left were abolitionists, suffragists, against wealth accumulation, etc. That was the left, neither Democrats nor Republicans. Big-d Democrats smashed all that. A long time ago. Excepting blips the Dems are pretty awful.
Libs: "If you don't like the Party then run for office and change it! Third parties are useless!!"
Us: Ok
Libs: "THE LEFT DECIDED TO PRETEND TO BW DEMS SO THEY COULD SABOTAGE THE PARTY FROM THE INSIDE AND DISMANTLE IT"
Eventually (probably soon) the two parties are going to go at it in a full blown civil war. Those that survive, will be the ones that didn't fall for the left vs right paradigm in the first place! Government and religion, the two main factors in division. UNITED States, my ass!
are you implying the left is insane? Is opposing fascism insane? Is asking for basic reforms that other major countries have already implemented insane? Is asking for genocide to not occur insanity? Is sanity being subservient to corporate interests? Tell us
Not that I'm against those things, but with mass deportations and people being disappeared off the streets, maybe there's more urgent stuff to worry about right now?
the classic liberal response. maybe we should comprise with fascists. all that medicare for all stuff can wait. it’s not that THOSE ARE THE VERY THINGS THAT WOULD INCREASE DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT
They want what they want, and they'll scream into the void until they get it. They are against the same people MAGA is against, so I don't know how they are going to get their way by yelling at everyone else.
and yet the republican party can fairly encompass the entire right half of the political spectrum.
the failure of the dems to do the same in our two party system is entirely their own fault, of course. i don't blame the voters. but if we are stuck in the system, ideally leftist orgs and ideologie
They are allowed within it- they just don't get to run it, rather influence it somewhat, because they're not the majority of the party. Fight oligarchy!
what? i'm talking about how the republican establishment intentionally courts and works with the far right and has been since goldwater. this is not a maga thing. they are thr party for nazis
"the republican party can fairly encompass the entire right half of the political spectrum" actually the party is currently down with a severe case of the fascism, and thus encompasses a very small, very remote portion of the spectrum. all those moderate right wingers who jumped ship, are now dems.
#HotTake - If you don't always wear a respirator when breathswapping outside your household/an org doesn't require all in-person meeting invitations to include, "Masks Required & Provided", you're not really Leftist.
As an Australian, I agree. The 🇺🇸 Democratic Party is rather right winged for us. For instance, the Dems stances on guns is far too right winged for us. We are glad for our strict gun laws, which have proven to have saved lives, and allows us to move about free without fear of gun violence.
And it’s lead them to where all right winged hate and division does - to the collapse of society, the dismantling of democracy, and the instability of a nation.
Gen X here as well.
It’s been surreal here too (& not for the better in this hemisphere), but the entire Trump/GOP grift has thoroughly convinced my teenagers that they are VERY lucky to live where we do, & not in the USA.
A decade or so ago, most Aussie kids wanted to travel or live in 🇺🇸. Not now.
My young adult children are looking for options. My daughter recently graduated with a biology degree, with a goal to obtain her masters a become an epidemiologist. Due to grants/scholarships/funding esp for women being stripped, she is putting off studies until 2027. Looking abroad!
How are they accomplishing that? Because it seems like they failed at stopping 200 people, mostly non-criminals from being sent to a concentration camp. They’ve also failed to stop people from getting picked up by ICE and some of them are voting for Trump appointees.
It’s amazing how democrats, when they’re in the majority always find reasons why they can’t exercise their power but Republicans do whether they have a majority or not.
1st off the top of my head, don’t vote for ANYTHING or anyone the opposition wants. They’ve failed at that, especially in the senate. Republicans have that down to an art.
The term "Liberal" in political speech came from The En.ightenment. A Liberal is a person who believes in Western Liberal Democracy which is what you have if average people get to vote for leaders and laws. This is called Classical Liberalism.
The political terms "Left", "Left Wing", "Right" and "Right Wing" as well as "Liberal" all come from The Enlightenment. That's when these new fangled representative governments became a thing.
Those who believe that citizens (at least some people) should get to vote on who the leaders will be... and who are against monarchy & theocracy. they are leftists. they can also be for classism, imperialism, racism, sexism, slavery (etc) because the bar to be a leftist is set pretty low.
The people who sat together on the right (in the right wing) wanted kings and theocracy. They were against democracy and were for old-fashioned feudalism with an official national faith that had political and law enforcement powers.
The old French Parliament building had 2 wings to the building. A left wing and a right wing.
Those in parliament who were FOR democracy and against kings and theocracy sat on the left in the left wing of the physical building. A leftist is a person who is against monarchy and theocracy.
no. just so much no. but I get the feeling your opinions may be somewhat influenced by the notion that Marx was right. He was brilliant, but none of the fields needed to see where he got things wrong existed yet. Neuropsych, social psychology, the nature of psychopathy was unknown.
On the matter of economic theory, there"s considerable overlap between Smith, Marx & Keynes.
Neoliberal ideas of austerity politics, privatizations, deregulation & dismantling of social welfare have been disastrous; liberal parties keep repeating mistakes.
All liberal political parties I am aware of are either neoliberal or social democrat, as both Smith & Keynes economic ideas lead to a regulated economy with social welfare.
Classical liberalism is in the past, it has no political power in the present.
If the Dems were "the left," we would not be watching Israel committing genocide against the people of Palestine. It truly is a terrible time to be alive.
Comparing the democrats to left parties in the Netherlands they do not even come close. Before we had the pesky far right parties the democrats could be compared with the VVD, a right wing party. Never voted VVD. Always left.
"If you don't have [hardliners], then there's no limit to how debased the party will get. Take a look at where we are. The Democratic Party today is less progressive in its social policies and political policies than Richard Nixon. You can look it up."
What I think is even more disgraceful is that some networks think that the left is more concerned about Biden’s health once he decided not to run, as opposed to this current horror show.
Not at all. As I said, we all watched the Democrat Party lurch HARD to the right following the right wing nut jobs.
The Dems decided that courting middle of the road Republicans was their ticket. They brought in the CHENEY'S for God sake. Well, guess what? The Dems crapped out.
You guys are so short sighted and you feel weak - it's sad really. No ideas, no plans to solve problems, just feeling helpless and pathetic instead of learning how politics works and getting involved.
I know how government works and I know it can change - I've seen it change a lot over my 56 years.
Weak and pathetic - that's what people who post pessimistic, defeatist BS are - I'm helping raise a generation that doesn't think like you do, thankfully - they know they can make a difference because they are learning how to.
Yep. The 2024 Democratic Party is to the right of the 1972 Republican Party. Both major parties have moved to the right over the last 50 years - Republicans so far to the right they’ve gone off the cliff
Kamala Harris is “to the right” of the guy who put weed in the same drug schedule as heroine? This is the same man who started the “war on drugs”? Really?
Did you know that possession, manufacture, and distribution of marijuana wasn’t a federal crime until 1970? The 1937 “marihuana tax act” just place a tax on it. Nixon made it illegal by classifying it a schedule 1 narcotic.
Nixon’s administration created the federal drug scheduling guidelines AND put marijuana in the same category as heroine. Y’all act like history doesn’t exist.
I said nothing of Harris. And I assume you were speaking of Nixon – the guy who established the EPA, expanded Social Security, proposed universal single payer healthcare, and supported a minimum income for poor people. So yea.
He did many bad things as well as good things. Nixon is a complicated subject to dissect.
You cannot obliviate all the good because you dislike one character flaw.
“You cannot obliviate all the good because you dislike one character flaw.”
Ok, that’s fair, but couldn’t the same be said about Harris?
My point is, let’s criticize Harris. Let’s criticize anyone in the Dem Party BUT Nixon was objectively terrible and the false equivalence is ignorant of history.
And I'm not saying tolerate racism.
He was a product of his time. We're talking about the '70s. We're not talking about now.
Today, we're different. We learned to be better people.
To discount that is disingenuous.
I encourage you to read up on nixon’s campaigning for Goldwater and his work against freedom of the press in Time, Inc. v Hill. And how he glowingly supported COINTELPRO.
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2. Black people are not exempt from internalizing racism & white supremacy / upholding the status quo that harms us soo… this is not a gotcha.
3. i said what i said!
Police violence is also very prevalent under Democrats.
How's that going?
Which, was it though? I mean clearly many Americans did not feel that way. Maybe it would have been better to say "we are working on making America Great" in response.
Get fucked
These people should stick to hating characters in their TV shows.
You don't think this is Bragging?
https://youtu.be/dNVoSdUHw5I?si=-p2h5C9H-G7j94HM
We need a far-left demagogue to get back on track. AOC will do.
Bill Clinton stole conservatism from the republican party and democrats never gave it back.
I can name the liberals who have severed in congress in the last twenty years.
It is a short list.
To me, at this particular point in time, the "left" is anyone who's not a Nazi.
Biden had the most successful progressive admin in 50 years. There was a long list of deliverables but it never got coverage.
Bernie’s great, AOC is great. Pelosi is great.
No, the Democrats who hate Bernie are the ones who won't let the primary go. We just want good things to happen in this country without being prevented by BOTH parties.
It's not even that we are being persecuted, it's that Dems would rather take corporate cash than listen to the left at all.
Theres a fascist, adjudicated rapist insurrectionist convicted massive fraudster in the White House.
You aren't looking.
The DNC decided to put up a person who had been dragged since the 1990s by the GOP and had the worst reputation regardless of qualifications.
They knew she was going to lose. They took away what could have been our future.
While I feel the Bern I also understand why a party would not support a candidate who’s not in their party as their party’s candidate. I know you think that’s unfair. Can we please move on from this? It’s been like 15 years of debate.
Why WOULDN'T the Dems hate the left when all the left has done is push THEIR crazy agenda and turn everyone towards MAGA, even AOCs district voted trump!
They shove the woke stuff (and yes I believe in minority rights) so that we make zero headwinds with ANY desperately needed economic reform
The Democratic Party does need to change. People outside the party, not served by the party see this plainly. People within the party don’t.
The left were abolitionists, suffragists, against wealth accumulation, etc. That was the left, neither Democrats nor Republicans. Big-d Democrats smashed all that. A long time ago. Excepting blips the Dems are pretty awful.
Us: Ok
Libs: "THE LEFT DECIDED TO PRETEND TO BW DEMS SO THEY COULD SABOTAGE THE PARTY FROM THE INSIDE AND DISMANTLE IT"
What if that political party stops aligning with my values? Am I just screwed?
Focus on defeating fascism not obsessing over your starter home not being your dream house.
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So does the US Congress.
Blue on the left, red on the right.
The left trying to get things done, or the left that shows up every four years to help the GOP win?
-free healthcare
-paid parental leave
-four weeks paid vacay
And the US need to get rid of the race fixation in official documents. It’s reminiscent of Nazi Germany ffs.
This would be a good start
These seem like the concerns of the comfortable.
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/29/companies-politics-liberal-conservative-harris-poll
Not neoliberalism, which is in favour of the socio-political & economical status quo, and therefore by definition conservative.
the failure of the dems to do the same in our two party system is entirely their own fault, of course. i don't blame the voters. but if we are stuck in the system, ideally leftist orgs and ideologie
You're excluding the Disabled from your Liberation.
https://bsky.app/profile/citizenharry.bsky.social/post/3lppum3bplc2c
It’s been surreal here too (& not for the better in this hemisphere), but the entire Trump/GOP grift has thoroughly convinced my teenagers that they are VERY lucky to live where we do, & not in the USA.
A decade or so ago, most Aussie kids wanted to travel or live in 🇺🇸. Not now.
but plays goalie for the Center
pushing everyone hard Right.
The term "Liberal" in political speech came from The En.ightenment. A Liberal is a person who believes in Western Liberal Democracy which is what you have if average people get to vote for leaders and laws. This is called Classical Liberalism.
Those in parliament who were FOR democracy and against kings and theocracy sat on the left in the left wing of the physical building. A leftist is a person who is against monarchy and theocracy.
"Liberal" in modern political speech is shorthand for neoliberalism, which was formed out a need to counter the economic theories of Marx.
Classical liberalism recognized the private ownership of land as the originator of societal inequality, and addressed it.
On the matter of economic theory, there"s considerable overlap between Smith, Marx & Keynes.
Neoliberal ideas of austerity politics, privatizations, deregulation & dismantling of social welfare have been disastrous; liberal parties keep repeating mistakes.
Yet liberal parties keep insisting of doing the things that make society poorer & poorer, with a religious fervour.
Classical liberalism is in the past, it has no political power in the present.
As such, liberal is shorthand for neoliberal.
It includes a refusal to prosecute corporations that kill or poison hundreds or thousands.
It includes a refusal to actual dismantle the cartels.
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We can get them further left but we can't abstain from voting bcs the Dem Candidate isn't perfect - we'll never get what we want that way.
Until the Dems figure it out, they don't really represent anyone on the left so why support them?
What you just spewed out was defeatist rhetoric.
A political party is what we make it. They aren't boogeymen or an abstract entity.
They are people who make decisions based on who supports them & how those involved push them one way or another.
We can push them by getting more involved.
The Dems decided that courting middle of the road Republicans was their ticket. They brought in the CHENEY'S for God sake. Well, guess what? The Dems crapped out.
And I VOTED.
The party has proved impervious both to reform and popular demands. As in the 1930s, it will have to be pushed from the outside via coalition.
I know how government works and I know it can change - I've seen it change a lot over my 56 years.
Although they think bad polling means to move further to the right.
You cannot obliviate all the good because you dislike one character flaw.
Ok, that’s fair, but couldn’t the same be said about Harris?
My point is, let’s criticize Harris. Let’s criticize anyone in the Dem Party BUT Nixon was objectively terrible and the false equivalence is ignorant of history.
He was a product of his time. We're talking about the '70s. We're not talking about now.
Today, we're different. We learned to be better people.
To discount that is disingenuous.
The Dems brought you the ACA and many other pro ppl things since 2009.
The Republicans opposed them all
Stop bitching about the Dems not being what you want them “to be/do” and get YOUR ASS involved in the party!
They kneeled for their lobbyists and corporate America because they didn't want to lose that Citizen's United money.
Senator Lieberman took that language out of the bill NOT the Democrats
Do you have another example that the “party” stopped?
I wish the Democratic party was the right wing
I wish a real left wing would take that place
But while the "real" left complains about Democrats, republicans have all three branches right now.
Thank You
We Americans have only had two choices
Republican and Republican Lite.
Both corporate owned choices.
We don’t even have paid sick leave in our country.
We are pathetic.
The Republicans go from center right to fascists.
Oops yes they left.
So, who is "the real left" and who is their candidate? And when are they actually going to help?