This. Which those sympathetic to the US are finding hard to deal with. The aim is destruction because the system is perceived as fundamentally rotten, this has been a growing part of populist thought for some time. www.politico.eu/article/dona... - ThreadSky

davidheniguk.bsky.social • 12 days ago

This. Which those sympathetic to the US are finding hard to deal with. The aim is destruction because the system is perceived as fundamentally rotten, this has been a growing part of populist thought for some time. https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-hungary-prime-minister-viktor-orban-europe-us-relations-net-zero-uk-leaders/

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ianlineham.bsky.social•12 days ago

If you want to get rid of government, why not break everything, close everything down, let staff leave, then when told to put it all back, it's too late and good luck to anyone trying to convince the electorate to spend the money to set up allo these government epartments

vivlaurens.bsky.social•12 days ago

There should be a poll on one of the American newspapers that asks the American people this question: “President Trump has condoned the Gazan genocide. Are you in favour of this or not?” Who has any guts in the American press.

cynde.bsky.social•11 days ago

They created him

indyposterboy.scot•11 days ago

People here have been thinking the same about Britain for decades. We’ll be next for the ‘if you can’t fix it burn down the unfixable’ strategy next.

simongodly.bsky.social•12 days ago

I think it's going to become a strain on their judiciary and constitution.

As said, Trump was quite clear in his intentions, he bragged about being a dictator, and was elected.

So what happens when law headbutts the democratically expressed will of a nation which voted for dictatorship ?

brittexkavi.bsky.social•12 days ago

I don’t think as many people support this as they give off. Approximate #’s I came up with. 31.5% of eligible voters. 26% white/6.5% other. I once read about 1/3rd of his voters are hard core maga & some voters are already complaining this isn’t what they voted for. (I know)

paksarra.bsky.social•12 days ago

And that's ignoring the known manipulations (bomb threats, burning dropboxes, disproportionately few voting machines allocated to urban areas in some states, people illegally being removed from voting rolls, etc.) and the speculation that Musk hacked voting machines that Trump openly alluded to.

richardclose.bsky.social•12 days ago

MAGA are correct that the system is rotten. But the part of the system that is rotten is vulture capitalism, not the institutions that vulture capitalism seeks to destroy by using MAGA as a tool.

lesserspottedh.bsky.social•12 days ago

Also: Follow the Money.

helenopinion.bsky.social•12 days ago

Presumably they'll find the rebuilding much harder and more boring than the destroying.

insidejoke.bsky.social•12 days ago

I'm not sure it should be categorized as a growing part of populist thought, although that is accurate, because it sort of obscures that there has been a strain of burn it all down conservatism for decades, it predates Trump even.

arthurbundy.bsky.social•12 days ago

This issue in the 21st Century, goes back to Capitalism v Communism, and/or Socialism. When the real issue was the Free Market v FDR and the New Deal. Reagan, from the transcript of “A Time for Choosing”,1964. “…But as a former Democrat, I can tell you Norman Thomas isn’t the only man

arthurbundy.bsky.social•12 days ago

who has drawn this parallel to socialism with the present administration, because back in 1936, Mr. Democrat himself, Al Smith, the great American, came before the American people and charged that the leadership of his Party was taking the Party of Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland

arthurbundy.bsky.social•12 days ago

down the road under the banners of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin…The government can find some charge to bring against any concern it chooses to prosecute. Every businessman has his own tale of harassment. Somewhere a perversion has taken place. Our natural, unalienable rights are now considered to be a

arthurbundy.bsky.social•12 days ago

dispensation of government, and freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp as it is at this moment.” This is Reagan’s State’s Rights Speech August 3rd, 1980. “…I know that in speaking to this crowd, that I’m speaking to what has to be about 90 percent Democrat.

arthurbundy.bsky.social•12 days ago

[Shouts of “No” from the crowd.] I just meant by party affiliation. I didn’t mean how you feel now. I was a Democrat most of my life myself, but then decided that there were things that needed to be changed. I know, people have been telling me that Jimmy Carter has been doing his best.

arthurbundy.bsky.social•12 days ago

And that’s our problem. The President lately has been saying that I am irresponsible. And you know, I’ll admit to that if he’ll confess he’s responsible. We’ve had the
New Deal, and then Harry Truman gave us the Fair Deal, and now we have a misdeal…” This is from Lee Atwater

johngage1.bsky.social•12 days ago

mermaidspursej.bsky.social•12 days ago

They know what they are putting in its place. They are obsessed with Imperial Rome. They intend an emperor to rule over their Federated states with client kingdoms (Canada, Mexico) being gradually absorbed or conquered by force if they resist. They think Rome comes in an IKEA flat pack box, ready to

mermaidspursej.bsky.social•12 days ago

assemble.

gedw23.bsky.social•12 days ago

There's denial in the view that this is US democracy with a 'Trumpy' vibe for 4 yrs b4 it reverts back to the norm.
Our own gvt needs to be more alive to the change thats occurred

danaiolos.bsky.social•12 days ago

There is one, rather large problem with their approach (aside from their innate cruelty)… As they only seem to understand the simplest of messages or crayon drawings, I will just leave this… about… well, just about here:

ccoop7.bsky.social•12 days ago

Nailed it.

theduckmachine.bsky.social•12 days ago

Not quite. The text bubble in the last pane should say "Oh no, who did this?"

formica.bsky.social•12 days ago

'Why didn't my enemies stop me!"

judgeholdenks.bsky.social•11 days ago

I love my EU and UK allies and appreciate their points of view

The number of guns in this country makes Somalia look like a Paintball range in a kids arcade

There is no way through this w/o bloodshed on a scale nobody really understands

We’re afraid, & we’re armed. All of us, even the liberals

lizlamb.bsky.social•12 days ago

So whilst the US is going to hell in a handcart - isn't this the perfect time for the EU & UK to step up and lead the global market?

angushsdcubd.bsky.social•12 days ago

Instead weak uk is trying to do a weak copy of America - truly pathetic

agendaforreform.bsky.social•12 days ago

Indeed and fundamental to Trump’s view of everything is the fact that he’s a real-estate developer. What do they do? They tear down building and build new ‘better’ ones. So tear down the USA and build back better! The problem is that governments aren’t like buildings where profit is the sole motive.

katharinekite.bsky.social•12 days ago

I wonder if it’s greed. Chaos, war, uncertainty - the mega rich get richer. These people are amoral filth - I don’t think they perceive anything outside of their own penis complex. Rich enough to steal what they want from whomever they want & rich enough to buy impunity from their actions/omissions

ajkitch.bsky.social•12 days ago

This is anarchy. Soon they will have no tax revenue. Who's going to trust the federal government with their data?

grahambarber.bsky.social•12 days ago

What surprised me about this election was the fact that Trump's intentions were hidden in plain sight. They were never going to benefit most of his voters, who were sold a lie of cheaper gas and groceries, yet here we are because of them. It's a bit late now for any buyer's remorse.

billbj6.bsky.social•12 days ago

BREXIT parallel plus.

sophieplowden.bsky.social•12 days ago

It’s oddly Marxist

lainiew24.bsky.social•12 days ago

📌

indar13.bsky.social•12 days ago

The system is rotten.
https://www.dea.gov/factsheets/fentanyl

gobbledygookgirl.bsky.social•12 days ago

Maybe they just know AI will take most jobs and they're setting up a world just for the super rich and eliminating the poor by dangerous policies. And probably building ships to get to MARS so they can step off when other existential risks come....and ride it out.

plantsmantx.bsky.social•11 days ago

"this has been a growing part of populist thought for some time"

Yes, and that includes left-populist thought.

dannyvandal.bsky.social•12 days ago

As a percentage of the MAGA movement how many people really support this. I’d bet there’s a huge majority of them that haven’t got a fucking clue what this involves and how it will affect them.

tabooze.bsky.social•12 days ago

24/6/2016: “What is the EU?”

debbiex1961.bsky.social•11 days ago

Sadly many of them don't care about anything until it directly affects them.

smfbooth.bsky.social•12 days ago

It’s like that old Irish saying “ Can you tell me the way to County Cork ? “ “ If I were you I wouldn’t start from here“.

rayalder.bsky.social•12 days ago

Going to be turn USA back to the wild west which MAGA will think is bloody marvellous.

colinbaines15.bsky.social•12 days ago

I have thought about the tech bro attitude to fixing US government as a life support machine- they want to just

“turn it off, and turn it back on again”

(They obviously have no need for that life support machine so aren’t concerned about how long it’s off or what gets turned back on)

pepperperson.bsky.social•12 days ago

The idea of Year Zero has had many iterations down the years. Never turns out well for us ordinary folks.

jcarreirawriter.bsky.social•12 days ago

In a way they're right, our current system is broken and needs new thinking and re-building. BUT the oligarchs vision of the future is terrifying! We need a different vision with humanity and inclusivity at its core. Where are those leaders?

mancmike.bsky.social•12 days ago

I think "the system is rotten" is just the cover story. The real story is these people hate only having most of the power and have seen a chance to grab everything

ec-d.bsky.social•12 days ago

To which I’ll add this.
https://bsky.app/profile/ec-d.bsky.social/post/3lhqf4redyk2q

sarahmay1.bsky.social•12 days ago

But when they destroy the economic underpinning of their own power, will they/can they continue?

risakoizumi.bsky.social•12 days ago

That's the question nobody seems to answer. If you crash the US economy, you crash the world economy.

marklawsonkernow.bsky.social•12 days ago

In short - rich people don’t think the system is serving them to make them yet richer so break the system to rebuild in their greedy feudalist vision. Time to ensure they don’t win before they break everything and destroy us all. Greedy selfish feckers.

officialstehee.bsky.social•12 days ago

Coming to a Westminster Parliament soon.

angushsdcubd.bsky.social•12 days ago

Very true and this government will have a hell of a lot to answer for

firstprinciples.bsky.social•12 days ago

though probably less than its predecessors since 2010

officialstehee.bsky.social•12 days ago

This govt will be worse that their predecessors simply because they are more efficient than the tories. Don’t forget that Starmer is the great bureaucrat!

firstprinciples.bsky.social•12 days ago

Hmm, I wonder where the crossover is between Less Awful But More Efficient and Utterly Awful But Quite Incompetent. We don't really want to be on either curve really

angushsdcubd.bsky.social•12 days ago

Ha very true

angushsdcubd.bsky.social•12 days ago

Yes I agreed… just so disappointed with the direction they are taking but at least they are not the corrupt sesspool of late tories.

paulette7.bsky.social•12 days ago

Indeed. However, what do we do about it?

davidheniguk.bsky.social•12 days ago

Hide. Or party like the world is going to end.

paulette7.bsky.social•12 days ago

Yep! I’ll bring snacks.

lisazed.bsky.social•11 days ago

Boycotts!
Boycott companies & corps sucking Trump/Musk limp dicks!
Hit them where it hurts!

mikegalsworthy.bsky.social•12 days ago

It’s fundamentally the Cummings approach too:

First trash it all, then rebuild it all according to our vision.

ianlineham.bsky.social•12 days ago

They don't want to rebuild, they just want them gone and replaced by private options

cathiew.bsky.social•12 days ago

That was the hard Brexit Patrick Minford approach - trash industry & see what emerges. No thought for the human collateral damage. Thatcherism for our old industrial areas took a similar approach, there was no plan & the bad consequences are still with us.

kfpm.bsky.social•12 days ago

But without the right to vote. Or, you can vote, but the incumbents will remain, either through defiance, or by rigging the election.

ianrobo.bsky.social•12 days ago

And at the heart of it is why eugenists were invited into number 20 pure survival of the fittest and everyone else can go to hell. Luckily Europe is less responsive to this as they carry a religious tone but constant watch

leetaylorbythesea.bsky.social•12 days ago

But none of them have proved they can rebuild anything
Christian fascist kleptocracy as an economic model - I don't expect it to deliver

lizzieh.bsky.social•12 days ago

Precisely this. Would not be a big surprise if DC was in contact with TrumpMusk on this. Scale of US destruction is enormous though - makes DC’s efforts look like tinkering at the edges.

padraigpostal.bsky.social•12 days ago

'Creative destruction' is a term of art in economics, 'Social Dislocation' is what sociology came up with, obviously Marxist thinking indicates one main outcome...oligarchy isn't it.

Living in 'interesting times' indeed.

janetmsageobserver.bsky.social•12 days ago

Fundamentally undemocratic. And Cummings was yet another failed business person shielded from the ordinary domestic reality by family money, education and influence. Mortgage? He's never had one.

sarahmay1.bsky.social•12 days ago

That's his RCP training.

schroedinger99.bsky.social•12 days ago

Lenin's too ... and (in an even more extreme form) Pol Pot's. I don't remember any of these endeavours ending well.

schroedinger99.bsky.social•12 days ago

I often wonder whether Cummings saw the film "There Was A Crooked Man" as a child and took the Norman Wisdom character as his role model.

butwhatifitsall.bsky.social•12 days ago

Except the rebuilding never happens. It’s like putting up a tent in Gaza made of a few tarps and some sticks. That’s public services in the US from now on, amid the rubble of a formerly civilised society.

jonty24.bsky.social•12 days ago

It will take a long time to rebuild. And no doubt they will want to exclude many from their new vision. A lot of them will be the MAGA voters who enabled them. They will no doubt be left without any real safety net during this time. Some will probably make useful cannon fodder.

tibbsmum.bsky.social•12 days ago

I think you are right. This begs the question what is the thought process of foreign govts thinking we can work with / manage the US govt? Surely we need to be as far away as possible to avoid collateral damage?

tamposla.bsky.social•12 days ago

Partially true.

They see it as a system collapse, and are happy to surrender & allow that collapse provided they can escape the consequences and remain protected. Hence the drive to national isolation, social segregation, gated communities etc.

It's an "everyman for himself" mentality.

jackbeingbad.bsky.social•12 days ago

Everyone's corrupt and there's nothing to be done

That's the culture russia abd China use to keep dissent low

middleagedvitriol.bsky.social•12 days ago

We've separated value from people and placed it on the markets themselves. The discontent isn't wrong but the snake oil they've been sold to fix it is.

mickeyhynes.bsky.social•12 days ago

The system isn't some intangible, philosophical abstract. It's just people doing jobs, like bees in a hive.

weayl.bsky.social•12 days ago

yes - that's the reason for quoting Waiting for Godot in my profile.
While so much "non-populist" policy of the last 20 years has been based on waiting for Godot to come, we are seeing more Year Zero policy in reaction. (I will admit that Brexit too was a part).

davidheniguk.bsky.social•12 days ago

That's a very good summary, if I steal it I apologise in advance.

weayl.bsky.social•12 days ago

As I stole it from Beckett and the Khmer Rouge (Year Zero), go ahead.

aliafro.bsky.social•11 days ago

Strong ‘what is the plan for Brexit now that you have won the referendum’ vibes:

“There is no plan”

freddies.bsky.social•12 days ago

Sadly there is no real political leadership standing up to the media Oligachs; most appear complacent or have been bought off .Charlie Angus in Canada is fighting back successfully.The UK caught in the US/Israeli ideological, net compromised by genocide and a failed Brexit.Fork in the road ?

robani.bsky.social•12 days ago

The world needs a plan B that deals with the US’ current unreliability, and possibly becoming a pariah state, and then fragmenting. I hope governments are war-gaming these scenarios as they are becoming increasingly likely.

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