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olufemiotaiwo.bsky.social • 2 days ago

in case you are relying on the economic downturn or other associated harms to do the work of advocacy for your political perspective

Reposted from Jennifer Ouellette

Mom of child dead from measles: “Don’t do the shots,” my other 4 kids were fine arstechnica.com/health/2025/...

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dankeevy.bsky.social•2 days ago

Just in case you think that people are open to learning from their mistakes could be a substitute heading for this.

martingeorge.bsky.social•2 days ago

Once again I find myself having to point out that values aren't universal. In this instance, your idea of a "mistake" and this person's are absolutely not the same. She lives in a different world, and assuming otherwise, despite the evidence, is making a ... mistake.

dankeevy.bsky.social•2 days ago

I can see that argument, but I do think we're in an objective place where you can disagree on certain things, but some disagreements border on reckless denial of the truth.

martingeorge.bsky.social•2 days ago

What do you think this person's idea of "the truth" is? She thinks YOU are the one who is in denial, brainwashed by "Big Pharma" and the "liberal media." Again, she lives in a different world.

dankeevy.bsky.social•2 days ago

Friend, the point is that there are things which are objectively true. Part of the reason for this mess is us conceding logical facts because we want to keep the discussion going. I know she's in a different world, but not vaccinating your kids is objectively harmful.

martingeorge.bsky.social•2 days ago

People do objectively harmful things all the time. People smoke. People drive drunk. People vote for Trump. The goal is to make them stop, and to even have a chance of doing that, understanding that they don't share your values has to be the starting point.

aozora-aonami.bsky.social•2 days ago

But her child is dead and she could have prevented it..The natural response in such a situation is to question yourself..

dankeevy.bsky.social•2 days ago

And in your anger to lash out at anything and everyone. Whether criminal or no, this mom will spend the rest of her life living this reality.

aozora-aonami.bsky.social•2 days ago

How is it possible?
to not see that your own failure to prevent your child's avoidable death is a terrible mistake?

olufemiotaiwo.bsky.social•2 days ago

indeed

sarahthurmond.bsky.social•2 days ago

Once again questioning what pro-life means to so many people in this country.

artificialmcb.bsky.social•2 days ago

Ideology is a hell of a drug.

jakecummings.bsky.social•2 days ago

I'm old enough to remember when the GOP was all about a culture of life, while those terrorists in the Middle East embraced a culture of death

justanotherlemming.bsky.social•2 days ago

“We understand that the Fatherland needs hale and hardy progeny, not the weakling spawn we produced when we failed to pray before succumbing to sin that one time.

We thank God and Trump for sending these measles and setting us back on the path of light. Amen.”

fernmonkey.bsky.social•2 days ago

Accelerationism is ineffective as well as being cruel.

sarcasticwombat.bsky.social•2 days ago

It is absolutely insane someone would use the death of their child to propagate their continued belief this way. They are not fit parents.

crookedfootball.bsky.social•2 days ago

The fact that they are Mennonites and speak Low German (needed a translator) ought to guard us against any quick generalisations about the fact-responsiveness of less untypical Americans though

mumko.bsky.social•2 days ago

It is God’s will. Can do nothing about it.
That’s how it was in the pre vaccination world, both my grand parents lost a few of their siblings at the beginning of 20 century. IIRC it was about 40% mortality in a rural areas far from hospitals and God was your only hope.

We are back to these times…

marcellograz.bsky.social•2 days ago

Not surprised: she is a virus, and viruses mutate, but do not really learn.

freeangelica.bsky.social•2 days ago

Their cognitive dissonance won't allow them for even a moment to reflect on themselves and the fact they made a gross error of judgment. Instead they double down on the insanity.

apj813.bsky.social•1 day ago

Translation: only 1 kid died. That’s f*cked up.

lucindacatchlove.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yeah, lots of people constantly rationalize away their bad decisions and externalize all responsibility for them, we're all prone to doing this, particularly if it would shatter us to acknowledge the truth. But, also, they're religious people so God's plan, etc.

sarahdactyl.bsky.social•2 days ago

There's also an evangelical christian tendency to think of children as property. Only 1 out of 5 isn't bad is the kind of thing you say about property damage, not children.

dulcet-abyssal.bsky.social•2 days ago

100%. this is a wide spread opinion throughout society but is particularly strong in evangelicals

drgeophysics.bsky.social•2 days ago

Worst parents in the world, literally.

i.amnot.social•2 days ago

I keep trying to read the story and I can't finish it; my brain rebels against the notion of treating the death of a child - ANY child, but especially one's own! - so cavalierly. It is beyond my ability to grasp

motleycow.bsky.social•2 days ago

too soon?

semicorchea.bsky.social•2 days ago

That is just a gobsmacking pov from a mother. I guess kids are fungible, huh?

axman.bsky.social•2 days ago

So 20% of her kids died from measles but that's ok bc the other 80% haven't? That's some rocket science brain farting right there.

publichealthguy1.bsky.social•2 days ago

just a 20% case fatality rate

annaleighmaria.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yup, and that white guy who voted for Trump and ended up with his Latina wife being deported still says he doesn't regret his vote. Some folks need deprogramming. 😕

medusaswink.bsky.social•2 days ago

Had this awful experience last week with my mom. Destroying my life and her grandkids’ lives, and *still* proud of it. Right to my face

Deprogramming isn’t enough. Some people need to be removed from any authority status whatsoever. Publicly and privately. Pride in ruining lives is f’n unacceptable

annnyc100.bsky.social•2 days ago

I can't get past imagining how their response sounds to a parent who is grieving the loss of a child from a non-preventable disease or an accident.

So much work to do...

dontcallmesurely.bsky.social•2 days ago

I let my 5 YO play Russian Roulette with my revolver and he was fine

kellenhoxworth.bsky.social•2 days ago

(Nodding):

olufemiotaiwo.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yup

reftpt93.bsky.social•2 days ago

We saw this during COVID so I shouldn’t be surprised…. but as a mother, I can’t imagine justifying anything if a child of mine died.

spagritty.bsky.social•2 days ago

yeah, the cultists are willingly tossing their children into a sacrificial fire at this point. it's hard to imagine material conditions changing their mind about things.

fascism is predicated upon the creation of paranoid fantasies to divert blame. they'll just keep making up better stories.

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