this strikes me less as an honest diagnosis and more as self-exonerating excuse for not doing maximum delay and obstruction in the senate right now. - ThreadSky

fleerultra.bsky.social • 13 days ago

this strikes me less as an honest diagnosis and more as self-exonerating excuse for not doing maximum delay and obstruction in the senate right now.

Reposted from Aman Batheja

New: Democrats Need Judges to Rein In Trump. There’s No Plan B.

As one Senator put it: “Most of this stuff is going to cause a ton of damage, but will eventually be found to be illegal.”
time.com/7214286/trum...

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thestinkfoot.bsky.social•13 days ago

The better point of leverage is House budget negotiations, IMO.

schauer.bsky.social•13 days ago

DEMOCRATS: “Yknow the courts that we let Mitch McConnell stack with ideologues for like two straight decades? Yeah I’m pretty sure they’ll figure it out”

cprotopapas.bsky.social•13 days ago

When Trump ignores the judges, you will have to find a Plan B

jjbaberams.bsky.social•13 days ago

‘hey judges you guys wanna figure this out’ ass strat

fffanatic06.bsky.social•13 days ago

Dems shot themselves in the foot early by not setting up a hardline against Trump. They agreed to fast track too many of his nominees and agreed to pass that immigration bill. It was stupid, shortsighted poll watching

rollforphobia.bsky.social•13 days ago

To overuse one of my favourite David Roth lines, “nothing about Trump has ever improved on closer inspection”. He was always going to suck, the party that sold whatever passes for its soul to him was always going to suck, and the only surprise is how quickly things went full metal psycho.

rollforphobia.bsky.social•13 days ago

Unfortunately also among the predictables here was the media and Dems alike getting sudden onset amnesia and deciding that this time for real he wants to do things right, the right way.

actualprogressive.bsky.social•12 days ago

You mean when they failed to prosecute him?

dianenyc.bsky.social•13 days ago

We need to resist Trump in every way, the courts, the legislature, the streets.

The House should be making it very clear they will not help pass a budget until DOGE is disbanded.

mathewforesta.bsky.social•13 days ago

The institutionalism of democrats is collaborationist at this point.

realbenisons.bsky.social•13 days ago

in that article, Schatz says zero about protecting or defending institutions

he says, truthfully, that there's "no magic button saying 'courageously obstruct'"

Senate Ds can and should do more to obstruct, to help voters perceive that there's a crisis, I'm ready to judge them if they fail at that

cumuloutz.bsky.social•13 days ago

Have they learned nothing from the past four years? The courts will not stop him. The courts will not delay him. The courts will only paper over that it was illegal, if even that, and then promptly ignore it for some process reasoning. The courts have no substantive power now.

rollforphobia.bsky.social•13 days ago

“Sure people are being irreparably harmed right now, but eventually the harm will stop, probably, so what’s your damage man?”

We’re doing the Uncommitted messaging for everything now I guess.

fleerultra.bsky.social•13 days ago

it doesn't even work on those terms, either. if some of the damage will be irreparable even with court orders to stop, then delaying and slowing down the process while the courts work would mitigate some of that damage!

dankeevy.bsky.social•13 days ago

I'm reminded of the Whigs right before the Civil War. Like not actually fighting or opposing anything, just hanging around until someone better comes along.

gringusmcdingus.bsky.social•13 days ago

This was the deal the party made in 2020 when they coalesced around Biden to stop Bernie and rein in the insurgent left.

dankeevy.bsky.social•13 days ago

I mean, Bernie was moderate Left, and he was isolated even before that. It's more that Democrats are all Principal Skinner and Tlaib and occasionally Sanders.

gringusmcdingus.bsky.social•13 days ago

"Insurgent" doesn't refer to ideology so much as a threat to the established order, which Bernie and the activist base most certainly were. Same thing happened to the Whigs, who now reside in the dustbin of history.

dankeevy.bsky.social•13 days ago

The thing about insurgency, is it usually points to a need to change. Whether for ill or better. If folks keep resisting your system, that's a sign.

prhomberg.bsky.social•13 days ago

I’ve been thinking about the Whigs a LOT the past few weeks…

gringusmcdingus.bsky.social•13 days ago

Democratic deference to "the systems will save us" while the systems themselves are in the process of being dismantled is the entire reason we're in this mess. that they *STILL* don't get it is so damning and a huge reason why they always seem feckless and flat footed

terrejpwdc.bsky.social•13 days ago

It does work. If the judicial buckle like Republicans have, Trump will have all the legitimacy of an authoritarian ruler. Read about Musk's and Theil's guy Yavin and why they insisted on Vance as VP
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump?CMP=share_btn_url

fleerultra.bsky.social•13 days ago

also this is a problem with their plan https://bsky.app/profile/marcelias.bsky.social/post/3lhtpzcoe3c2w

entheticus.bsky.social•13 days ago

Can’t help but notice that the most prominent NYT coverage has been about the revocation of security clearances and other things deemed I guess “unseemly,” more than the law-breaking, which seems a bad sign!

runningoutwest.bsky.social•13 days ago

right.. what happens when Trump/Elon say: fuck you, make me. Were heading there and i have no idea what happens then

brokeshealds.bsky.social•13 days ago

Exactly. Who is enforcing the law once the judges have decided that the administration is violating it?

nikobowie.bsky.social•13 days ago

I saw this in response to something Kim Kelly posted and I love it

jackiemyswag.bsky.social•13 days ago

@imillhiser.bsky.social makes this point

https://www.vox.com/scotus/398902/supreme-court-donald-trump-too-weak

grungehamster.bsky.social•13 days ago

"If we oppose him it will be our fault if people dislike that."

caitertot.bsky.social•13 days ago

"sure, he definitely murdered that guy, and he's indubitably going to murder even more guys, but don't worry, the courts will tell him all those murders were illegal 👍"

snowmein.bsky.social•13 days ago

They spent the last 8 years counting on the courts. That is why we are where we are.

blueguy63.bsky.social•13 days ago

Congressperson gave away their power. They are afraid of him.

jacunderatree.bsky.social•13 days ago

D's are between a rock and a hard place. The one area they could delay is the budget. But, to be honest, few Republicans would give a shit if the budget weren't passed and govt crumbled. That's pretty much what they want. And, to top it all off, D's would get blamed.
Voters really screwed us all.

fleerultra.bsky.social•13 days ago

this is correct in the House but not in the Senate. the Senate runs on unanimous consent and a committed obstructionist minority party can grind it to a halt right now, while Trump still has dozens if not hundreds of appointments to make

jacunderatree.bsky.social•13 days ago

Sure, but then what? Trump's arsonists get appointed and agencies are burnt to the ground. They don't get appointed and agencies starve from no leadership.
We aren't dealing w/policy differences. We're dealing with destroyers. Either route helps them accomplish their goals.

actualprogressive.bsky.social•12 days ago

The non-appointed career bureaucrats would continue to run the agencies with out Trump appointments.

pugetopia.bsky.social•13 days ago

As Mystal lays out, there are several problems with relying on the courts to stop the coup. Here's a really big one: "...the court has no enforcement mechanism. It has no army, no police force, no power to impose its will."
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/courts-cant-stop-the-trump-musk-coup/

nolahistoryguy.com•13 days ago

this strategy is brought to us by the "fuck the South" liberals.

drgrat.bsky.social•13 days ago

They’ve been listening to a bunch of consultants tell them to not obstruct based on some poll or focus group.

But this is all predicated on trying to win back Trump voters. But the vibes crowd isn’t paying attention and MAGA isn’t an option.

At this rate, they’ll need to win back liberals.

bladepuppy.bsky.social•13 days ago

delay, stall, obstruct, take to the streets, why the fuck aren't they rallying, some of it will be cringe but who cares this a huge moment to gain support and fight back why sit on your ass and do absolutely fucking nothing, they need to stick it to trump and elon not say "god is still here dude"

actualprogressive.bsky.social•12 days ago

God I hope this party dies and something is born out of it.

atribecalledkvetch.bsky.social•13 days ago

Senators learn about the outcome of Worcester v Georgia challenge: difficulty impossible

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