My evolving view is that the phenomenon is ultimately a personal experience and it is up to us to explore it. Certain ufo bros set themselves up as authorities which pushes people into confusion and/or powerlessness. We don't need priests. And we don't need to engage with truly awful people.
I am coming around to the phenomenon being outside of our conceptual frameworks altogether. Any interpretation, like a philosophy or religion, will be a mirror for the person. Science could get at components, but not the qualitative experience.
It seems like reality is far more odd and malleable than humanity has recently imagined.
I'm really enjoying the deconstruction of materialism in my own existence.
A Zen adage that I learned from one of my teachers many years ago fits well: “Eat the meal, not the menu”; Don’t confuse experience with conceptual overlay. For a long time, I had that that this meant to sacrifice subjectivity for an objective view. But learned that “objectivity” is on the menu too.
I mean, good for Knapp to find a dumb rich kid willing to bankroll his non-TV work, but the whole contemporary ufology/disclosure field does itself no favors by wallowing in the darkest corners of the Rogan podcast universe.
“Don’t come back around here with your bullshit, Jeremy!” Jeremy coming back around here with his Russell Brand bullshit, gleefully jumping the Disclosure Shark.
It’s the thing I have the hardest time with when it comes to this topic. Hearing George Knapp say he doesn’t like that Trump is president was like a breath of fresh air
I’d been warming to him recently as a independent. Now this annoyance.
God this subject is frustrating.
I think we need to make Ufology like sport. America can have it’s own version and just play itself, and the rest of the world can have better games and interact with each other.
I just about threw in the towel on the online UFO community because everyone seemed to have some covert MAGA agenda. I'm glad I somehow stumbled across this outpost of open minds. Cultism will never lead to the actual truth. Ever.
UFO community is easy Pickens for grifters. Ever notice how much of the lore since the 80s connects to Hal Puthoff. The whole game circles around that guy who climbed pretty high up the Scientology ladder... Bad news people with no objective evidence.
I guess the silver lining in all of this would be that it is leading a lot of us to look inward towards ourselves and our community. That Tulsi Gabbard shout out is fucking farts.
I’m still debating what this could mean for him. From a counterintelligence/espionage (Lues career) perspective, I would certainly try to cozy up with the people closest to an administration that is known to mishandle classified information. It looks bad publicly but it could be for other reasons.
A patriot does not willingly bow to traitors and criminals and give them a pass just because they hold positions of power. I understand the optics of this, it fucking sucks. But considering his profession I am withholding hard judgement until we can know for sure why he is really doing this.
Well, its all coming out. A bunch of guys that didn't really know anything managed to pull all of the attention on themselves w unvalidated vids, etc. Content "creators", "influencers", etc, created their rise because chasing rumors is so much easier that working with actual subject matter experts.
Oh that would be nice but seriously besides in unqualified by a very high degree they are both not honest and loyal to the country. Thats a fail right there.
How are you feeling about Jay Stratton? Seems like he’s finally about to come forward. That’s a small beacon of hope to move forward, in my opinion. Which is meaningless in this mess, but still, I like the guy.
My understanding is Stratton still thinks UAP shapes should be classified (along with other basic attributes), because he thinks it gives too much info to our adversaries.
If you can find some articles or works that to back it up I’d be eager to see them! Don’t really have time for research out of my own tunnel of absurdities over here but I’d be very eager to hear this and when it was documented, and if it contrasts with Stratton’s current and upcoming commentary.
I too await what he has to say this year. Not convinced it will amount to a big shift, but I'd be open to it, certainly. I remain concerned about the improper acquisition of the MUFON database. That whole thing strikes me as deeply improper – and yes, I looked at DIA/DIA contractor regulations.
I don't think UFO shapes should be classified. It's one of the main justifications, is my sense, for over-classifying the topic. It's a very regressive way of approaching it. Our adversaries already know what shapes UFOs are. Jay's argument (I think) is that distribution may be different globally. 🤔
After being all, "Aliens are nonsense." things got to a point where they knew they could weaponize the paranoia and at the same time APPEAR to have revealed all kinds of things. So now everyone is on edge.
But really, it's a rehash of old stories.
No real data.
Using the paranormal and UFO/alien subjects to recruit bodies to your far-right cause is a practice older than anyone wants to admit. Certainly predates Nazi Germany. Pre-revolutionary Russia. And even further back.
This is a mistake. There’s mountains of data and evidence that paints a pretty clear picture we are just still missing the smoking gun in the public domain. Doesn’t mean things aren’t still moving behind the scenes it just looks bleak now with the politics and optics and so on. Truly unfortunate.
That NHI exist and have been interacting occasionally for millenia. Fact.
Are we their creation? Maybe. We need data.
Are they physical or interdimensional? We should ask them.
The REAL question to me is,"What the hell has the US govt MJ12 etc ACTUALLY been up to these past 80 years?".
Amazing how so many people can do amazing research on the phenomenon but as soon as they get called out for going on some douchebag show, all of sudden they're research skills disappear like "I didn't know that, I didn't know much about them."
I’ve been thinking about walking away lately. At least for a while.
It’s really hard to rationalize what’s happening with this topic right now and it’s coming from every angle.
Yes, too many unserious, non scientific people…writing books creating followers and cult like behavior.
Infighting with all the folks in all “paranormal” subjects.
So many claiming “they know”.
It’s enough to make one walk away for a while
Find the sane, credible voices and stick with them – until they give you reason not to a few times, and then be comfortable with moving on. It's been my approach for almost 40 years, and it's worked well for me! For instance: I'm so old, I got sick of Greer almost a quarter century ago! 😂
Barber was talking the other day on a Thiel-sponsored podcast about how "DEI" should be "die" because apparently blacks, women, etc. are dangerous and not to be trusted. Ross appears right wing in his views, at least that's been my analysis for a while, based on his statements.
Also News Nation is running a lot of Christian adds and in 2021 a lot of staff quit because the station wanted to lean further and further to the right.
I think the problem is it's going to be hard to find someone with first hand experience that doesn't have these views. Seems that you weren't getting into these programs without some right wing views and HEAVY indoctrination. They have been fed explanations and believe them.
I'm not sure what his level of direct involvement was, if any, but Dr. Eric Davis isn't right-wing. He strikes me as pretty liberal tbh. I know other aerospace folks who skew liberal, IC folks who skew liberal. I'm not sure it's so black and white? Hard to know. I think your concerns are reasonable.
Wait wait wait, Barber said that explicitly on the Jesse Michaels interview??
Plus - being center-left I don't cancel people out just because they are right wing. Indeed, Ross's statements about Biden were quite horrible, but given the last year of his presidency they weren't 100% incorrect.
(Speaking as a person who feels true love and gratitude to Biden for his initial response to the 7th of October. His greatest sin was trusting a single word Netanyahu uttered)
I wanted to trust him too but after seeing him state that DEI should actually be spelt DIE and the way he said it I was done. Showed me who he is plus his association with Peter Theil. Hard no!
You guys are witnessing everything that happened with the occult community, just a few years later. Every step is the same, it's actually very interesting to witness from a sociological standpoint.
So, what happens next? If the pattern is the same so far, what can you advise us to expect, or perhaps do?
Do you or others have any written pieces that describe how it went down, what could have been done etc?
you come to the realization that the information you are looking for is likely out there waiting to be found, but nobody who can be trusted is going to go out and find it for you out of their own generosity
you'll have to find it for yourselves, and that will be a team effort
There are plenty of actual magicians on YT and TV. The problem is that they do not get any real spotlight because of the aforementioned lack of financial backing.
It's almost like this side of the alley will go any length to avoid putting the money where their mouth is.
then the problem seems to be that of relying on platforms that are inherently disadvantageous to the people that are most in need of exposure and viewership
it would make sense then that a new system of connecting those people with an audience must be created, even if it still works through YT
I appreciate you sharing. Part of the problem seems to be that people who believe they already "know" are insistent that others go and find that SAME answer for themselves. This slows everything down. Everyone knows some things, and no one has THE answer. We need beginnings, and build from there.
What happens next is that anyone who is going to speak out will be targeted with slander and libel. Things from the past will be dug out and presented out of context to create a damning narrative.
None of this will stick, but will force the vast majority to comply with the shift to the far right.
This is always the pattern, for friggin' everything. I keep thinking our main advantages are potentially collective wisdom, cooperation and compassion. But how to harness is beyond me at this moment.
For a long time, most in the UAP community was extolling the benefits of bipartisanship while turning a blind eye to the obvious issues with ultra right wing politicians and celebrities (MAGA). It’s now impossible to ignore the blatant self interest and hypocrisy of these people. Shame on Corbell.
Hey Klaus -I followed you over to this platform, longtime listener first time caller. I've been wondering if we could create a google doc or similar that shows connections between UFO talking heads and other orgs, their former employment (e.g. "torture czar"), evidence of past disinfo events....
Dude come on we are not really going after dudes looks and tying that to Nazis? 😑 you want to go after him for the other shit fine but god damn I look just like him as far as style 😂 am I a Nazi? Well I don’t drive a fucking cyber truck I can attest to that.
Seriously, Corbell has said and done so many things that absolutely discredit him and harm the community. Going after his beard, hair and tats are completely missing the point.
It’s useless to push on a rope, better let those conmen sell that stale air. Go see a UFO for yourself then forget about Corbell et al. Doesn’t matter if it is ever disclosed, it’s just a strange reminder that we know next to nothing of our own environment. Love your podcast, but don’t burn out.
Dear Dr. Greer. #StevenGreer I have followed your work since: "Unacknowledged". Considering the information I have gathered through your efforts and considering what is happening in USA since January 20, 2025, do you believe religious people who VOTE Republican will want to attack ETs ?
Did you see his Tubi stuff? I watched the second season and my wife and I were dumbfounded. He lost whatever respect I had for him then. Again, one by one they fall.
I couldn't make it past the first episode when the childish meltdown clip aired before I saw episode 2. What a joke. He's got main character syndrome. This movement needs way less people like that regardless of what he's brought to the table thus far.
Why am I even surprised he met with Brand. After Gaetz, nothing this clown does should surprise me.
Birds of a feather.
You interview 1 known predator, okay, maybe you just didn’t know.
But this is becoming a pattern for Corbell at this point. The company one keeps speaks volumes.
Oh man,
I was just starting to think I was wrong about Corbell due to his recent statements re: Congressional Hearing.
I guess my intuition was right?
Trust your gut
I don’t know Tom, I have a problem with people who support someone who intentionally hurts others and is into power and greed.
IOW a psychopath.
Politics doesn’t even enter into it.
Imho
You can’t grow good crops from a soured field.
These scumbags are really trying to jump on the subject all of a sudden because they think they will be able to control the narrative and steer the unfolding events toward the existing power structures they’ve all latched onto.
Ain’t nobody gonna be in control of the narrative but the NHI 😂
Damn, that's disappointing. I'll just take this opportunity to thank you and Garrett for being sane voices in this community. We live in the stupidest of fucking times.
So is there anyone who seems trustworthy in this topic? Anyone who doesn't drive a cyber truck.... anyone who doesn't post support for Gabbard.... someone who sees the damage in going on Don Jrs show. Anyone who doesn't think this is angels and demons?
A true historian. He’s a conservative but I’m not sure he’s vibing with how things are playing out. But yeah slim Pickens all of a sudden when it comes to credibility and trustworthiness. Just shaking my head.
I also picked up on his discomfort with the current administration. I think the most recent statement about the drones told him all he needs to know about where Trump stands regarding transparency.
Toxic masculinity has friendships that go back decades, before we knew they were toxic. And some people still see their old friend and not the damaged soul creating havoc on others.
Humans segment their lives and don’t even realize there is any conflict, dismissing what others say out of habit.
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I'm really enjoying the deconstruction of materialism in my own existence.
So he went full MAGA pretending the establishment were after him.
Nasty piece of work, a talentless grifter who was allowed to become a star.
Last month shown UAP front men are all fatally flawed. Depressing.
Sadly most Americans are unaware of his horrendous history over here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
God this subject is frustrating.
I think we need to make Ufology like sport. America can have it’s own version and just play itself, and the rest of the world can have better games and interact with each other.
Good idea?
Or the one Barber made on Michels?
All the way off.
Zero credibility for anyone who supports Trump. I always knew he did. Fuck lui
He referenced Trump a few times but it wasn’t an endorsement. Kinda more neutral.
Well Kash and gabbard are worse because they are smart. The felon is just A puppet, they are the masters.
Today was a law abiding day…..
He’s not either so…. They suit one another.
I hate politics and UAP together
Also, still getting drones every night?
And yes, the drones are worse than ever. 🫠
🙄
After being all, "Aliens are nonsense." things got to a point where they knew they could weaponize the paranoia and at the same time APPEAR to have revealed all kinds of things. So now everyone is on edge.
But really, it's a rehash of old stories.
No real data.
Are we their creation? Maybe. We need data.
Are they physical or interdimensional? We should ask them.
The REAL question to me is,"What the hell has the US govt MJ12 etc ACTUALLY been up to these past 80 years?".
This is capitalism.
Monetize all your antagonists.
Make PUNK a fashion not an ethos.
Commodify everything.
#ufosky
It’s really hard to rationalize what’s happening with this topic right now and it’s coming from every angle.
To say I'm disgusted by the people I've propped up over the past several years would be an understatement.
Infighting with all the folks in all “paranormal” subjects.
So many claiming “they know”.
It’s enough to make one walk away for a while
Truly
I did.
The X Files really had it right. Trust No One. Ever. At all.
Others. I can’t take these Trump supporters.
Who is full of bs and who isn’t.
Gary Nolan I beleive has a new book coming out.
Anyone who blatantly and blindly serves the felon is out for me.
Plus - being center-left I don't cancel people out just because they are right wing. Indeed, Ross's statements about Biden were quite horrible, but given the last year of his presidency they weren't 100% incorrect.
I don't know how you square peace and love with that, but here we are
Do you or others have any written pieces that describe how it went down, what could have been done etc?
you'll have to find it for yourselves, and that will be a team effort
this has remained here for 15 years, unseen by anyone until an experiencer was given the location
take an easterly walk down the road
the people who will bridge the gap between us and them exist already, but they won't be found on YT or TV
https://www.google.com/maps/@56.090906,-117.5836596,3a,78.3y,54.07h,94.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-P93Y8g5fQgLEIIo78D_Qg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-4.858472130764653%26panoid%3D-P93Y8g5fQgLEIIo78D_Qg%26yaw%3D54.07216051780972!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDEyOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
It's almost like this side of the alley will go any length to avoid putting the money where their mouth is.
it would make sense then that a new system of connecting those people with an audience must be created, even if it still works through YT
None of this will stick, but will force the vast majority to comply with the shift to the far right.
Look at the beard and hair. That’s New Aryan straight from the meme
Loves him all the ex military “whistleblowers” who support musk and trump.
You’re not able to say anything to change these truths
Look at that donk on the Good Trouble podcast. He used to be a normal, but he’s lost all perspective.
Is Zabel still on coultharts show?
Disclosure is gnapps career. It’s a huge moral hazard
Birds of a feather.
You interview 1 known predator, okay, maybe you just didn’t know.
But this is becoming a pattern for Corbell at this point. The company one keeps speaks volumes.
I was just starting to think I was wrong about Corbell due to his recent statements re: Congressional Hearing.
I guess my intuition was right?
Trust your gut
But that he would have no issue playing nicely with Trump at all, if he was given the chance.
I still kinda trust Corbell’s intentions, so far.
IOW a psychopath.
Politics doesn’t even enter into it.
Imho
You can’t grow good crops from a soured field.
Wow, now I wonder if I have to rethink George Knapp?
I always had so much respect for him….🫤
Ain’t nobody gonna be in control of the narrative but the NHI 😂
There are things he can't talk about.
So does Nolan.
That's why they're looking for a case that doesn't come from the classified tree
Humans segment their lives and don’t even realize there is any conflict, dismissing what others say out of habit.