Before I was despairing over how could the Gazans recover from this disaster but there is some hope if countries invested in assisting them develop some gas extraction infrastructure.
You are fishing for some internet arguments huh?
Instead I'll say; yep you are completely right.
I'll add though that nowadays it's just a self-perpetuating cycle of hatred. Unless both extremist factions are eliminated or rendered powerless peace is unlikely sadly.
I agree with both, but, Israel is the only one who has cards on the table, the only one who has table, and the only one who is allowed to play … apart from that I agree with you on full
Oh for sure. Hamas can't be controlled, or reasoned with.
It's up to Israel with the (more) stable-ish government to do the right thing first. Only upon that basis can peace be reached. Palestine can never reach stability otherwise.
The west invested in Gaza post-Oslo Accords. That stopped when Hamas took over. There was a window of opportunity for sustainable peace that both sides closed starting with the murder of Rabin by an Israeli hardliner.
No kidding. I would have supported Israel, but NOT Netanyahu! You'd think after the first 20,000 dead civilians we would have guessed he's on a revenge rampage! He's killed all the Hamas leaders and STILL bombs Gaza!
It’s not about revenge, I’m guessing, it’s rewriting his political legacy from suspected criminal that failed miserably to defend Israel on October 7th to a conquering hero that reclaimed part of “Israel’s lost territory.”
It was never about just revenge or Hamas, but about seizing an opportunity to obliterate the Palestinian presence there entirely. Look to the West Bank, etc.
I wouldn't even give him that much credence..it's Lebensraum, a land grab, for access to the Med, gas and top notch real estate. Nothing more than greed.
And because the undecided movement didn't wanna vote for Kamala Harris this election. Guess what going to happen mass casualties from both Palestinian and the citizens of Gaza.
Nearly 1/4 of a million people suspected of being murdered in Gaza the last year with her consent, denying the reality we all see but you wanted her as president?
Both have funded the weapons that committed genocide and crimes against humanity. Democrats have been actively involved in a genocide for 14 months, republicans did it the previous years and moved the embassy to Jerusalem. They all are responsible with over 90% of them bought and paid for by Israel
The Israel Gaza war has been going on since the 1990s when Clinton took office, and at the time, a young Benjamin Netanyahu used right-wing talking points to take out one of the leaders.
"Amnesty reviewed 15 Israeli airstrikes between Oct. 7, 2023, and April 20, 2024, that killed and wounded hundreds of civilians and found no evidence that any of the strikes were directed at a military objective."
I wonder how long it will be before Israel accuses Amnesty of being Antisemitic...
I salute Amnesty for producing such a detailed - and damning - report into Israel's concerted efforts to exterminate the Gazan population.
Everyone is now so scared of being called antisimetic that the truth has to be so ridiculously obvious before they will say anything...you know pro-Isreal pundits will be out in force again today shouting the word from the treetops and our leaders, who want power over ethics, will just roll over.
So you don't look to Congress who actually authorizes the funds, you don't look to Israel which actually carries out the actions, you don't look too Hamas who started this whole thing with a massacre. You just look to one person (Biden) had to blame him for everything. And I'm brain damaged?
What does Biden have to lose at this point to finally say the obvious irrefutable truth. The political state of Israel is committing a full scale campaign of genocide. I think he’s tough enough to take a few antisemitic stones.
Mehdi, I agree with this, the Israeli government has committed war crimes and many senior leaders deserve jail. I question Palestinian choices in leadership also and wonder what kind of state they will rebuild if/when this war is over? Will it be a return to eternal hate and violent intentions?
European leaders and NATO are not worried for Romania. They want Romania being used as a bulwark against Russia. Let romanians suffer instead of richer EU nations. They have deployed U.S. Aegis missiles pointed to Russia in Deveselu, Romania and a U.S. Military Base. https://www.politico.eu/article/roma...
Not a single political party in the United States has any affinity towards humanity or morality. The democratic party is actively helping Israel achieve this and yet they claim a higher moral ground. I support the democratic party but the APAC supported Shills need to go.
Who cares?
Who gives a fuck?
No ...really?
WHO FUCKING CARES?
NOBODY....
The world watches.....makes appropriate noises occasionally, and lets Israel LITERALLY get away with murder!
Genocide made possible with our tax dollars that our children will be responsible to pay for.
The only thing this successfully accomplished was create the next few generations of terrorists coming to our homeland.
The FBI reported 3 incidents in the past 6 months that were ignored by the media.
I don't get why everybody needs so long to arrive to this conclusion. Wasn't it clear maximally after few months? Were these institutions searching their balls?
Are there any actions we can take to help with this? Donate to Amnesty, other orgs?? Are there US leaders who will actually care when we call and ask them to help stop it?? Anything else???
This is beyond tragedy. I did not know a lot of other Jews growing up, and I had an iron clad belief that because of our history we could never, never do something like this. It is heartbreaking and sickening to watch this unfold.
oppression is more cyclical than you realize. irish catholics were oppressed by oliver cromwell and then they turned around to help enslave black people in the americas.
It's not too late for Amnesty International to reclass the night bombing of Hamburg as a "genocide" at the pace of completely redefining the term we're going (oh, those poor Germans). Maybe sometime next week, A.I. will call the New London School Explosion a "genocide" too.
The equivalent might be more accurate if the night bombing of Hamburg was accompanied by the night bombing of every city, town and village in Germany with the intentional targeting of schools and hospitals and drones targeting children accompanied by the bombing of civilians in "safe spaces."
@writerincanada.bsky.social
Well, every important city was firebombed and the strategy was much more direct and clearcut, per "Bomber" Harris (read his book).
Genocidal maniacs don't ask their intended victims to move aside while we shoot at the terrorists, but since these are "wily Joos", well...
Harris may have been a genocidal maniac. His opinions on how to conduct bombing during WWII in the European theatre wasn't supported by superiors, notably Churchill. However, that's not the case in Israel against Gaza. It is a deliberate, intentional genocide in progress than cannot be whitewashed.
No question about it, Sir Arthur Harris was a maniac. The point is that no one called his strategy "genocidal", because the UK was at war with Germany. Israel's pursuit of Hamas doesn't contemplate anything remotely close to Harris's strategy yet the Israelites are "genocidal" all of a sudden. Why?
What is unclear to you is Israel has gone far beyond the "pursuit of Hamas" to elimination of the Palestinian people. Doctors in Gaza are seeing wounds in children from drones deliberately targeting them individually. Declared safe zones and aid workers are targeted. This is not war any longer.
We didn’t do more, after the Trumpublicans took the initiative to shutup the country by yelling @the college presidents, & portraying the protesters as violent elitist antisemites physically attacking Jewish students & turning campus into Hamas tent camps.
Now, Elise will shutup the world @the U.N.
If you claim to be an ally of Israel and still defend them, this is the equivalent of watching your best friend beat his wife and completely turning a blind eye to it.
Probably not in the way you're thinking. . But there are other ways to punish the violent, aggressive bullies of planet Earth. People are resourceful and clever in the face of fascist bullsh1t. Why does history have to repeat itself over and over?
When it comes to Ukraine and stopping Russia, nothing kills our moral high ground than blindly supporting and defending Israel's atrocities. You can't fight genocide with genocide.
Problem is Biden is complicit.. allowing if Not encouraging the Genocide..! As much as I thought /believed Biden be a decent man.. THIS Makes him Indecent.. Co-Criminal with his buddy Bibi- disgusting
This is horrific. Like most Americans, I support Israel but I do not support Netanyahu's genocide.
"Amnesty found such claims are “not credible,” saying that the presence of Hamas does not absolve Israel from its obligation to avoid indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks."
This has been crystal clear since at least a year. The problem is with hypocritical governments, around the world, condoning Israel's actions. Only opposing in words not in real action. Afraid to be dubbed antisemites and losing the Zionist vote.
But when a small group of soccer hooligans and rioters chase another group of hooligans and ask them for their passport, then the world is up in arms: pogroms, anti-Semitism is back, Nazis are chasing Jews down the streets of Amsterdam! F*ck that!
Can you explain to me how that is? I don’t remember Joe saying the West Bank is “ocean front property”, or when Kamala coined “Palestinian” as a pseudo-slur against democrats.
Who cares what international countries think.
America is still supporting genocide. Trumfp build an American embassy in Jerusalem. There's more to come , Netanyahu knew who to put in the white house.
Is that pile of regurgitated tripe meant to change anyone's mind? What a pathetic cry to tropes ... well, they've cried antisemitism too often, and people are seeing zionism for what it really is.
Mehdi, you will always be an apologist for Hamas and a liar about Israel.
They literally changed the actual international law definition of genocide in their statement. Because they are all about condemning Israel and so are you.
The fact you posted that on a thread with the original post being that report shows just how deep in you are. Shameful, but at least you’re showing just how easy it is for someone like Hitler to get so many to kill millions
It was amnesty you tried to use to justify your lie ffs. So the highest courts and every aid agency say it’s genocide, but an Israel supporter who justifies genocide knows best despite the fact he made an arse of himself with the “evidence” provided
Whatever way you need to lie to yourself to justify your support for a genocide that the Nazis would be proud of. No comment on the fact you provided a lie to justify genocide
My understanding is that many NGOs and international rights lawyers think they will be able to forbid wars by re-labeling them ’genocide’.
This will of course be counterproductive as the term will lose its chock value and rules against genocide will have to be abandoned because wars wont be 🤷♀️
The only people who don't think this has to be the most committed associate of Netanyahu. I am so furious that Biden insisted and continues to insist that weapons from the US still need to go to that country. In no small part HIS DECISION led us to this jackass trump that we have now.
Been asking that for millennia. Better to have dialogue on how we prevent this from happening in future. Leaders are never challenged to produce tangible action in this regard.
i didnt know most of these existed but since the genocide started we getting them all introduced to us on the media in THE ACTUAL FUCKING ORDER of how much they care when genocide happens
If you’re in the US, call your senators about Bernie’s S.J.Res.111 arms embargo bill. It can bypass the president. It got rejected but we can bring it back.
No they are not. They are fighting a legitimate war that they didn’t start or ask for. Hamas is to blame here, not Israel. Where’s the mention of the 100 hostages still being held for over a year? Amnesty International is a joke just like the ICC and UNRWA.
This argument is pathetic. The settlers may well be complete cunts but even if they didn't exist the Islamists would still want to kill every jew. It's who they are; genocidal jew killers. It's their culture. And it's disgusting that you're happy to justify it.
Hamas would attack Jews/Israel whether their land got stolen or not is what I said. Sure it contributes to their/your justification for 7/10 but it wasn't a prerequisite.
Nothing to do with a Caliphate, or Qtubism, or the Nazi Mufti, or the Muslim Brotherhood or the Ayatollahs in Iran? All the blame for the war in the middle east should be laid at the Jews doors. Righty-fucking-ho.
They’re participants, same as the Israelis and Judaism.
Same as the Americans, British, and Christianity too. Lots of players involved keeping the horror going. Russia and Communism (which is an ideology rather than a religion but has the same “name in vain” problems) are also in the mix.
If you have information that demonstrates why that history is insufficient or misleading or inaccurate, let’s hear it, but refusing to listen because it doesn’t say what you want to hear isn’t helpful.
Omg I was starting to think this was taboo to talk about this here.
Yes, they are. israel has become a rogue state with nothing but destruction in their wake.
They are surrounded by psychopaths that want to kill them. Israel must not submit to terrorist scum. They could be nicer to hamas etc but they would only be attacked more.
But for now, who else will fight for the PALESTINIANS...anyone with courage and could unite the Palestinian people is locked up in an israeli prison. I forget his name, but he would be a great leader. Who could be this generations Nelson Mandela.
Depends what fighting for Palestinians justifies really doesn't it, and if the fight is really about palestinians or just a grift or Iranian proxy attack. I'm sure what's his name has some answers but neither of us care enough to know a name.
“Criticism of Amnesty International includes claims about publishing incorrect reports, associating with organizations with a dubious record on human rights protection, selection bias, ideological and foreign policy bias, and the issue of institutional discrimination within the organization”
If your starting point is “the Jews don’t deserve to be there” then yes, I would fully expect you to conclude that any retaliation by Israel after it is attacked from Gaza is “genocide”
Why are you talking about "Jews"? This is about the state of Israel:
A militarised ethnostate that has been enacting a genocide since its very inception seven decades ago and proudly uses Apartheid policies (Which they endorsed and supported when South Africa did, unsurprisingly).
Way to make your own argument as answer it. My parents grew up in Palestine with Jews as their neighbors. Palestinian Jews. Never an issue. Tell me, how much peace has been there since the zionist entity decided that the land only belongs to Jews?
“We just don’t like the idea of them having their own country (and we will continuously attack/rape/kill them for 75 years when they do), but other than that, sure we’ll let Jews live there”
Furthermore, what is the “ideological alignment” that you assert Amnesty International shares with Palestine? How would you support your claim that the people working in any organization are ideologically aligned in any way? Do you survey AI employees? You only care about pseudo-logic.
I don’t believe for a second this is a genuine concern of yours. If you actually cared about objective material facts / historical record there’s not a single credible source you could use to support “Israel’s” right to exist much less its right to commit genocide.
So curious how the voices I’d regularly see beating this drum (not you for the record) are suddenly silent after the election. Guess they got what they wanted and can now move on to not caring about that region again.
I have been trying to get my friend in Palestine and his young family a decent tent, 3 months ago they were stating at $800, yesterday the tent area was shelled and the tents caught fire. This is insanity & genocide.
What’s going to get worse? Gaza being leveled? Genocide? A worse degree of Genocide? You think Genocide of a people only matters to people of the same religious background? Just stop
The same organization that censured Ukraine for war crimes, repeated Russian propaganda and has done 0 to hold Putin to account despite tens of thousands of Ukrainian children being kidnapped. 🤷♀️
Sure, releasing the hostages and turning over their leadership would be part of the terms of surrender. Although, to be honest, I don't think many of them are alive anymore.
Can we separate Palestinians from Hamas? Not all Palestinians are apart of Hamas, in the same way Hamas does not represent the ideals of all Palestinians
Can we? Hamas doesn't actually care about Palestinians, which is why it started this war. But Palestinians elected Hamas and still generally support it.
They certainly support its anti-Israeli territorial/genocidal ambitions, even when they're unhappy with its specific behavior.
Not generally, overwhelmingly.
It's a really bad situation but crying foul when they refuse to release the hostages and after they've executed countless of them is ludicrous.
release the hostages unconditionally
Do the right thing
Many of us have. I personally wrote to him.
This will be part of Biden's legacy and it is a legacy of horrible shame. He had the power to strong arm Netanyahu and he didn't. He could have with held military aid.
Totally agree. I don’t go as far as blaming the president of the United States for what Netanyahu is doing - but it really pissed me off that he didn’t act like a leader and say “Not with our help.”
I don't blame Joe for what Netanyahu is doing. I blame Joe for not having the courage to stop aid. He could have put that criminal sociopath under so much pressure. He didn't do it and that is on him. Sending bombs & weapons to be used indiscriminately makes us complicit. There's no sugarcoating it.
It’s great that they’ve decided to call it a genocide, but what are they doing to help? Everyone watching what’s going on in Gaza already knew it was a genocide we did not need confirmation, we need a solution
That's a violation under international law. What also is in international law is that the occupied have the right to defend themselves against its occupier. Especially if the occupier is doing what israel is doing.
How many organizations are going to have to say this before something is done? I mean we can all see it. Where are the leaders to demand a stop to this horror? Also Sudan needs pressure too.
What will not happen: liberals who care about what Amnesty has to say will suddenly see reality for what it is.
What will happen: liberals will wait for their establishment media and politicians to cast doubt on Amnesty’s legacy, then continue to believe in the lie.
I support Israel’s rights to exist. I also support the rights of Palestine to exist. How many more Palestine people have to die before Israel stops the genocide?
Absolutely, when they want to take out a car containing journalists or the home of one, or a car with someone they believe participated in Oct 7th, they managed to do it with precision. There was no need to obliterate Gaza, it was intentional.
On Gaza, maybe. Not because he cares lol. But because he cares more about China. In his and his people’s mind, they want that noise to quiet down so they can full pivot to China
Oh Joe sure is. Very responsible. He keeps sending 2000 pound bombs to Israel.
Hell, even our Dutch government is responsible by sendin spare parts for F35 fighterjets. Wich our supreme court has now said about it should stop.
Trump however will make it even worst by full out supporting Satanyahu.
. I think it's fair to say that it will probably be worse. But in the end the same amount of destruction under both American regimes would have probably arrived at the same conclusion. It is possible that trump won to carry out the bad cop policy of american uniparty foreign policy. Imperialism
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https://www.planetcritical.com/p/everybody-wants-gazas-gas
- Hamas (literally just painting a target on Gaza)
and
- Israel (and the USA by extension as enablers who are providing all the weapons Netanyahu and his band of war criminals need)
"Some British dude drawing lines irresponsibly on a map™ "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
Instead I'll say; yep you are completely right.
I'll add though that nowadays it's just a self-perpetuating cycle of hatred. Unless both extremist factions are eliminated or rendered powerless peace is unlikely sadly.
It's up to Israel with the (more) stable-ish government to do the right thing first. Only upon that basis can peace be reached. Palestine can never reach stability otherwise.
I salute Amnesty for producing such a detailed - and damning - report into Israel's concerted efforts to exterminate the Gazan population.
It's over, they killed everyone already.
He is complicit. He should be on an ICC arrest warrant
Probably safer to blame the guy, though.
https://www.politico.eu/article/roma...
Who gives a fuck?
No ...really?
WHO FUCKING CARES?
NOBODY....
The world watches.....makes appropriate noises occasionally, and lets Israel LITERALLY get away with murder!
Disgusting
Netanyahu needs to be arrested and jailed
He doesn't care one way or another.
The only thing this successfully accomplished was create the next few generations of terrorists coming to our homeland.
The FBI reported 3 incidents in the past 6 months that were ignored by the media.
https://www.politico.eu/article/amnesty-ukraine-report-wrong/
War crimes assume that it’s a war, after all.
But you’ll see Zionists smear everyone who criticizes Israel as “anti-semitic”
Well, every important city was firebombed and the strategy was much more direct and clearcut, per "Bomber" Harris (read his book).
Genocidal maniacs don't ask their intended victims to move aside while we shoot at the terrorists, but since these are "wily Joos", well...
Now, Elise will shutup the world @the U.N.
"Amnesty found such claims are “not credible,” saying that the presence of Hamas does not absolve Israel from its obligation to avoid indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks."
The part im talking about is the bulldozer running people over dead or alive, and blood squirting out.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/21/middleeast/gaza-war-israeli-soldiers-ptsd-suicide-intl/index.html
It's a little obvious at this point.
America is still supporting genocide. Trumfp build an American embassy in Jerusalem. There's more to come , Netanyahu knew who to put in the white house.
This Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing will be tied to the Biden Administration like an Anchor.
Next you'll be quoting Fetterman and Torres.
At least it's actually been admitted...
US backing it to the hilt.
They literally changed the actual international law definition of genocide in their statement. Because they are all about condemning Israel and so are you.
Dear dear, it seems those same people are calling you a liar.
This will of course be counterproductive as the term will lose its chock value and rules against genocide will have to be abandoned because wars wont be 🤷♀️
That's how it's fixed isn't it?
Elon said on Fox News that America is going bankrupt. Use that to your advantage.
Is it just maybe because Israel keeps taking the land and promises to take even more?
The problem is, they lost.
Hmm.
Seems improbable.
I've had a piss. I'm going back to sleep.
Same as the Americans, British, and Christianity too. Lots of players involved keeping the horror going. Russia and Communism (which is an ideology rather than a religion but has the same “name in vain” problems) are also in the mix.
If you have information that demonstrates why that history is insufficient or misleading or inaccurate, let’s hear it, but refusing to listen because it doesn’t say what you want to hear isn’t helpful.
Not sure Churchill could have prevented all this but knowing what we know now there's a strong case to vote conservative in 1945.
Maybe they can negotiate a more plausible path to peace than Attlee's "not my problem" strategy.
Unfortunately we Americans picked up where they left off and it became just another front in the Cold War.
makes me concerned that imperialists have colonized their leadership as well.
Yes, they are. israel has become a rogue state with nothing but destruction in their wake.
It has been clear a lot longer that Israel is executing a genocide!
Guess what: finding ideologically aligned people working in organizations who will repeat your allegations doesn’t make them true.
I guess you can put this on the list right under the Gaza Ministry of Health and the UN. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-chief-vows-immediate-action-any-new-information-infiltration-hamas-un-2024-02-08/
I always go back to the same question, if everything Israel is doing is ok, why not let independent journalists in?
If your starting point is “the Jews don’t deserve to be there” then yes, I would fully expect you to conclude that any retaliation by Israel after it is attacked from Gaza is “genocide”
A militarised ethnostate that has been enacting a genocide since its very inception seven decades ago and proudly uses Apartheid policies (Which they endorsed and supported when South Africa did, unsurprisingly).
I don't need to conclude, the UN did and Amnesty.
How very magnanimous of you 🙄
OK, so are we all going to step up & actually do something about it now ...or continue sitting on our hands?
More at 11
None of this would have happened if the Palestinians hadn't committed the atrocities of 10/7.
BTW, you're on a list for being a "troll".
We're a fully legit 501c3
Although come to think of it there was an imposter we pushed off earlier, might be them just making erroneous claims.
appreciate the warning tho
They certainly support its anti-Israeli territorial/genocidal ambitions, even when they're unhappy with its specific behavior.
It's a really bad situation but crying foul when they refuse to release the hostages and after they've executed countless of them is ludicrous.
release the hostages unconditionally
Do the right thing
And then come to the table
I've decided to unsubscribe to https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:mml7iyrgii3zxyvlf43a7to3/lists/3lblhk24wkc2m because it's being abused to censor voices against antisemitism.
They should
They won't
https://bsky.app/profile/dasmo.bsky.social/post/3lazbolfl5k2n
This will be part of Biden's legacy and it is a legacy of horrible shame. He had the power to strong arm Netanyahu and he didn't. He could have with held military aid.
And soon enough Israel will allow settlers into Gaza and the West Bank.
I think it will be so awesome when the trump advisor to Israel pushes back against this…..
Oh wait…..
There will be no West Bank or Gaza in 5 years
I studied this stuff back in the late 80s
Sad really.
Back to my original statement
...that actually just turned out to be days of the week and a medicine schedule....
Do you believe their bullshit about that, too, bootlicker???
🤣🤣🤣
I am not Palestinian.
Blocked.
https://www.camera.org/article/press-advisory-amnesty-set-to-launch-new-round-of-biased-anti-israel-charges/
What will not happen: liberals who care about what Amnesty has to say will suddenly see reality for what it is.
What will happen: liberals will wait for their establishment media and politicians to cast doubt on Amnesty’s legacy, then continue to believe in the lie.
And it is so clearly genocide! Why?
Israel says it's bombing houses, schools and hospitals because Hamas is hiding amongst people.
But they've clearly shown they exactly know where Hamas leaders are and can take them out with surgical precision.
So carpetbombing Gaza is Genocide.
Hell, even our Dutch government is responsible by sendin spare parts for F35 fighterjets. Wich our supreme court has now said about it should stop.
Trump however will make it even worst by full out supporting Satanyahu.
He also gave green light to full out attack Iran (one of Trumps arch enemies).
So with dictator Trump at the helm the middle east will become one big war theatre.