Liz Cheney & her Select Committee colleagues are immune from criminal prosecution & civil liability under the Speech or Debate Clause. Loudermilk's recommendation to investigate is an investigation to nowhere because the Constitution precludes it. https://youtube.com/live/9wUBl7iCZ80?feature=share
My hypothesis: it’s to set the stage for contesting Trump’s disqualification when Congress brings it up 1/6/25 as an argument to not lawfully giving the electoral votes to him
We know who's lying
We know who did their jobs
We know Trump incited a mob
We all know Trump tried to kill us with covid
You dnt think Trump knows his crimes?
Retribution on the ppl running out of Congress instead of certifying Biden
Is more evidence on his guilty 😔
Her accusers are not the brightest bunch. At least for her part, Liz will be remembered kindly as one who warned us and no one on her side listened, but complained.
Maybe she should start a harassment suit against them
I know she can't file against #cheetobenito once he takes office, but the others? I don't know but if so it would be a good look 4 the people
Especially if she won!
Their lives are going to change for the worse, it will be the clearest example of voting against ur own self-interests, we lost money in the stock market during Trump but we survived, we have budgeted for the removal of the ACA & have disconnected from cable news, the ABC News settlement was a joke
History? I want politicians that are going to stand up to the intimidation from the MAGA elite. We are turning into an oligarchy and no one is doing anything about it
No need to pardon Cheney and other members of Congress. Speech or Debate Clause protects them from prosecution. It is the baseless lies that so shame these accusers.
Thank you for saying it. Here's an overview of the Speech or Debate Clause & why it protects Cheney, other members who were on the Committee AND those who worked for them on Committee business. https://youtube.com/live/9wUBl7iCZ80?feature=share
Yes, it protects them, but not from the SLAPP suit styled Executive Branch vindictiveness that will be intended to just hurt, to steal time, tens of thousands of family dollars in attorney fees to even present the law on their side not to be prosecuted, etc.
When will everyone realize trump hates everyone. Rich poor black white religous or not he hates you Soon we will all suffer his awful wrath one way or another
Rich will be tarriffed
Poor taxed
Will take all of our dignity security & leave this country wasted selling to putin he goes to Saudi.
Eric is there now laying the ground work. He likes elon because he is NOT a American. Seniors built america so take their money and dignity. Students could build it back
Wreck education
Wreck medicine
Wreck banking
Wreck the food
Ruin the resources
He should be in prison but stole the presidency .
Trump uses 4 main tactics to dodge questions:
1. Lie
2. Exaggerate
3. Distract
4. Delay
“The ideal subject of totalitarianism... is people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
–Hannah Arendt
And big props to CNN and the rest of the MSM for doing that thing where they treat self-evident Republican lies as the functional equivalent of truth for narrative purposes.
No need, except that the new DOJ will go after her hard, and Liz may not have the 500k it will cost to fight off their suit. Don’t think for a moment that the new administration is going to feel is has to follow the law.
There is no more Speech or Debate Clause, at least to this new Maga-influenced right. Watch how they've practiced "speech and debate" recently. I agree no one on J6 committee should need pardon, but these are not rational times.
Why does MSM report the Cheney story without making it clear throughout that they are all lies and this is a hatchet job to appease the greatest unpunished criminal of all time?
Barb, the Speech or Debate Clause may protect them from prosecution. But it doesn't protect them from being bled by legal fees...and that is the point. Trump is furious by what he (and/or his donors) had to pay his lawyers.
I think the incoming administration has been very clear that out constitution & laws do not apply to them. Our Supreme Court has also confirmed this man has unlimited power.
Thank you! I have been asking on various threads why we are even talking about going after the J6 committee members in view of the Speech or Debate clause. Why don’t the media point this out?
The only reason I would suggest pardons is to 1) save them money by not forcing them to hire attorneys 2) save the wasted time on these pointless investigations by stopping them before they begin.
I almost agree @barbmcquade.bsky.social . However, when have any of those nut jobs in the current version of the party of Abe Lincoln ever cared when the US Constitution says?
Agreed. But why do we keep saying "history will not be kind to..."? It seems to be a fact that most of the public does not care about history or who it is kind or not kind to, which is why we have tRump and his VP Musk in waiting to ascend the oligarchy.
if a president can’t be sued in office because it would place an undue burden and cause the electorate to suffer, why can the president sue media outlets like the Des Moines newspaper - seems like the logic has to cut both ways - what say you?
Just like you write in your book, history teaches us that the Dictator’s next step after consolidating power is to stage show trials and imprison his opponents! History repeats itself…
The Democrats and any decent Republicans (if there are still any) must rally around Liz Cheney Adam Kinzinger and the other January 6 committee members (and witnesses)
trump and musk cannot be allowed to do anything to them
Without Hunter to pick on anymore, the GQP apparently needed to find another private citizen to make their scapegoat. Guess they are decided to make it Liz.
Maybe to save not just Liz Cheney but the rest of us from all the Trump maga crap Joe Biden should issue a preemptive pardon to Liz. The way to beat Trump is to take away the targets of his rage. Shut him up and we win. For the good of the country.
As much as I hope for a long life, I doubt I'll be around to see how all this ends up. But what a lovely time it will be when DJT isn't in the news cycle anymore. 🍊🤡
Her consequences are going to be presently, not 100 years from now, when maybe kids are still allowed to read actual history. You all need to stop with the history books bullshit.
After today's comments, I now think Biden should have pardons for all nine committee members, everyone who testified at 1/6 hearings, all former GOP who regularly appear on CNN or MSNBC, and of course, Fauci. Stop these baseless investigations now. Let the GOP instead focus their two years on POLICY
If Biden is incapable or unwilling to fight back against Trump and Putin and Musk, he needs to enter a hospital and hand presidential authority to Harris while he is recuperating. Otherwise, we are finished. Harris better fight hard.
Serious question: What makes you believe the history writers will write the truth? They haven’t re: Native Americans, women, African Americans, America.
None of them give a crap about "history". That old worry is long shot to hell. And Ms McQuade please "seem to be retaliation"....give me a break if you think it "seems" to be retaliation.
We can disagree with some of her political views, but her integrity is the stuff legends are made of. A true American hero... History will revere her! Unlike so many others
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Liz Cheney Gives Zero Fucks!
This is why Biden needs to do preemptive pardons
why don't you tell your followers to call that worthless senile Biden and get him to issue pardons
fuck you and your peal clutching about history
Side show, freak show 🤪
We know who did their jobs
We know Trump incited a mob
We all know Trump tried to kill us with covid
You dnt think Trump knows his crimes?
Retribution on the ppl running out of Congress instead of certifying Biden
Is more evidence on his guilty 😔
They should have included every single traitorous member of Congress who was in on planning the coup/insurrection.
I did n I save money
I know she can't file against #cheetobenito once he takes office, but the others? I don't know but if so it would be a good look 4 the people
Especially if she won!
#UniteAmerica
#Bluecrew
Us: “Which laws did she break?“
GOP: 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗
Rich will be tarriffed
Poor taxed
Will take all of our dignity security & leave this country wasted selling to putin he goes to Saudi.
Wreck education
Wreck medicine
Wreck banking
Wreck the food
Ruin the resources
He should be in prison but stole the presidency .
1. Lie
2. Exaggerate
3. Distract
4. Delay
“The ideal subject of totalitarianism... is people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
–Hannah Arendt
I wonder if he's telling them to quit messing with his daughter.
trump and musk cannot be allowed to do anything to them
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/12/18/barry-loudermilk-provides-proof-of-kash-patels-incompetence-wrapped-up-inside-his-liz-cheney-referral/
#DeclassifyTrump
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/21/2287839/-We-Can-Stop-Trump?_=2024-11-21T11:19:50.000-08:00
History will probably not remember these minor players for anything.
And once it's out of memory will probably all repeat itself all over again.
Protect her from those fucking GOP clowns
It’s amazing how the obviousness of trump’s crime just vanish in the face of his stupidity.
Does he make everyone dumber, along with his minions?