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thebradling.bsky.social • 73 days ago

Everyone's empathy is developed differently. The argument is made generally to appeal to the natural instinct to protect a person's own group/tribe. To be a stepping stone to expand their empathetic thinking.
The real issue may be dehumanisation, but sometimes you have to tackle it differently.

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notsosuperwoman.bsky.social•73 days ago

I didn't say it isn't an incremental improvement over no empathy at all; I said that if that's where it starts, there's a problem. Which is true, because it's not enough, as evidenced by the fact that a convicted rapist is espousing it as a mitigating factor to the rape he committed.

thebradling.bsky.social•73 days ago

Well, I do agree with that somewhat, I'd say. It is still kind of a problem because it's not the ideal scenario, but I do think that it could be "enough." Him using it as a mitigating factor would be something I'd expect in any scenario. At the very least, it appears that something clicked.

notsosuperwoman.bsky.social•73 days ago

It is not enough to convince men not to harm women because they wouldn't like it if someone harmed one of "their" women because women are people, not property and if that fact is not acknowledged and accepted, then women will continue to be treated as property. Which is a bad thing.

thebradling.bsky.social•73 days ago

Imo, that's actually an entirely other step to be taken. The more important one I'd say. I do see your angle, though. As it still maintains their programming of objectifying women. That one takes a whole lot more to break, I think, due to how deeply ingrained it is.

notsosuperwoman.bsky.social•73 days ago

Again, I never said it wasn't a different step. I said that the "what if it was YOUR woman" level of empathy is not enough.

And it isn't.

thebradling.bsky.social•73 days ago

If you mean as an end goal, then definitely not, so we're in agreement. I was initially thinking that you're just saying that level of empathy is just not enough even as a step.

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