I’ve noticed with the Stormzy thing that in a lot of ways it’s the first time younger generations have engaged with the idea of “selling out” as a negative concept. Whereas before they didn’t seem to care about how any artist got their money, now when it has very clear political parallels they do - ThreadSky

tomusher.bsky.social • 2 days ago

I’ve noticed with the Stormzy thing that in a lot of ways it’s the first time younger generations have engaged with the idea of “selling out” as a negative concept. Whereas before they didn’t seem to care about how any artist got their money, now when it has very clear political parallels they do

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bibivirtue.bsky.social•2 days ago

I'm so used to it, I have to force myself to have an opinion.

Like, "*Sigh", I like Stormzy. We're boycotting McDonald's rn & it is weird that he is and deleted that post. I wonder why he did this, is he broke? I guess it's bad. I still like Stormzy. Free Palestine".

tomusher.bsky.social•2 days ago

My most charitable reading is that he just has really bad agents and PR that pushed him into it or that he’s in such financial disarray that he had to do it. Both of those seem really implausible though tbh

bibivirtue.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yeah. I can't figure it out. But, I don't feel the need to. I don't think his deal with Mc's or deleting his post is going to move the needle on public opinion on Gaza. He's still done huge amounts of good. I still like him.

The lesson to the youngsters is don't count on celebs & keep it pushing.

benjibum16.monster•2 days ago

I wonder how different thing would be if it was a better meal? The Saweetie meal came with nuggets AND a Big Mac, and the BTS meal came with two exclusive sauces. So that’s at least a bit more interesting than a Happy Meal+

tomusher.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yeah even the meal itself seemed really lazy, it just felt so half arsed the whole thing

benjibum16.monster•2 days ago

All the celeb meals seem pointless & crap (the J Balvin meal was just a medium Big Mac meal with a Oreo McFlurry instead of a drink), but I think the combo of plain chicken, *sprite zero* , and a McFlurry with no sauce (like your galaxy’s or your mars’s) gives off first meal after stomach bug vibes

benjibum16.monster•2 days ago

I suppose you do get these limited edition stickers though, so it’s not all bad

gregbarradale.bsky.social•2 days ago

get the bag culture has been so dominant - the economy's shit, so why not? and influencers are so much more nakedly selling the idea of aspiration and buying shit than celebs of yore - imo 'selling out' has been the goal/end-point. so interesting to see a backlash!

tomusher.bsky.social•1 day ago

Exactly, influencer culture of mindless promotion has been the default really since early 2000s, that’s a huge amount of time. Seeing a backlash on any level is welcome, even if it’s temporary

leighsus.bsky.social•1 day ago

Maybe there's a general understanding that our favourite musicians these days usually have second jobs and selling out is allowed in that context.

Stormzy has made it, has security, doesn't need to do something like a McDonald's ad to survive.

People see it for what it is.

tomusher.bsky.social•2 days ago

Millennials were after gen x and a lot of us peripherally saw the grunge years so the idea of selling out as a bad thing was ingrained in us from early, whereas the generations after us seemed to be resigned to the idea that capitalism was just the way it had to be and worked within its parameters

tomusher.bsky.social•2 days ago

Now young people might understand a bit more how older people (as in us, millennials, we’re old people now) didn’t want to engage so wholeheartedly with poptimism and the easy commercialisation of music. Cos selling out is actually bad!

northbanklower.bsky.social•1 day ago

Ffs Tom, we ARE old people now aren’t we.

tomusher.bsky.social•2 days ago

daleyafc.bsky.social•1 day ago

Thought of this post when my daughter who is 21 asked me last night “what does selling out mean” in relation to this Stormzy stuff. Even as I was explaining it I had to say “and this used to be a bad thing”.

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