I was definitely in the Musk helped Trump win in a general sense camp, but the more clowning Trump endures from him, the more I’m open to considering he helped him win in some specific and illegal sense.
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I've been trying not to go full My Pillow but leaving the door open to any reasonable info on interference. My county has paper backup and hand count post-electionaudits but maybe others are more susceptible.
I am a “doubting Thomas”… where is the medical report on Trump’s ear? Is it impossible, given four years of prep time that Musk’s IT buds might have helped sweep all 7 swing states?
Perhaps, but if so then I would say Trump doesn’t know the details because he couldn’t possibly keep his mouth shut about it.
He has never been able to keep his mouth shut.
I won't even entertain the idea without evidence or an actual theory of hie a distributed, decentralized election was rigged.
I do think it is possible Republicans will try to convince us it was rigged, so that it becomes an "everyone says" issue instead of a right-wing crank issue
I’m a you on the second part. But on the first part I *will* entertain the idea, however my take is there’s nothing to do about it. No stop the steal rallies, no discussion even because it’s fruitless if not counter productive. Internally I’m open to the possibility that it was rigged though.
Yep, same page here. We have some very good state AG’s/SOS’s, election interference was their domain to investigate & sort out, not mine. If the states certified then it is what it is. The primary focus now needs to be mitigating harm & organizing to win in the midterms.
We are essentially at war. If they manipulated the election at the data level that just means their side made a successful strike on us. Can’t undo it any more than you can undo a bomb. Plus we’ll never know in our lifetimes if they did rig it so there is no sense in dwelling on it.
Yes, we all know about his blatant illegal moves such as his PAC creating fake websites and his voter "lottery," but I have suspicions there was more manipulation by his team of hackers. IMO, some things just don't add up.
I know it makes me sound crazy. I’m just a random person on the internet but it’s the only thing that checks all the boxes. but ppl much smarter than me are just going to ignore it forever
I'm pretty sure trump stole 2016, tried to steal 2020 but underestimated turnout (hence why he's convinced Biden out-cheated him), and 2024 they decided to not be "careful" and practically did it out in the open
Trump literally does not care about being president. He hated it the first time - he just doesn’t want to go to jail. He’ll let Elon do whatever he wants because leading the country bores him unless he can make money at it.
The Felon can’t get rid of Capt. Apartheid because the Capt. can share how The Felon wasn’t actually elected. Meanwhile the Capt. can go to a place without extradition carrying all the back doors to all US Agencies thanks to The Felon.
It’s more of a stretch to believe the worst candidate in history who had no campaign, no endorsements, no platform, convicted of 34 felonies and rape “won” the election than it is that he rigged it.
There's also just a "I am going to rent the US government from you" at a ridiculous amount of money per week that only the world's richest man could afford.
I'm of the school(ey) that, as they've been since Reagan, Republican Presidents have been mere ceremonial fronts for the real leaders of their Party(cult). They're just so cocksure that they're untouchable now that they're making no effort to hide it anymore.
It's becoming clearer because hindsight is 20/20 but signs have been there all along, and people warned us but they were ignored, silenced, or worse, ridiculed. Tragic.
Elections are about hard data, and even if the cows regularly jumped over the moon, there would be/will be hard evidence of election fuckery. We will know, if so.
Suspicion around Musk/Trump is well earned, just not proof.
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He has never been able to keep his mouth shut.
I do think it is possible Republicans will try to convince us it was rigged, so that it becomes an "everyone says" issue instead of a right-wing crank issue
I like your assertion that either way, the immediate need is to address *all this bullshit around us* right now.
Musk shoveled 9 figures into TrumpCo's coffers in exchange for letting Musk be the shadow president.
It's that simple.
Reagan wrecked hostage negotiations to win.
Bush: hanging chads.
2016 Trump requested/accepted RUS help.
2020 Trump fought thru court & Jan 6th to stay.
But sure, 2024 Trump ran totally legal campaign.
Trump: "Musk sure knows computers, then we won."
Election security experts warned systems were insecure
https://freespeechforpeople.org/computer-sci...
And there's evidence of manipulation
https://electiontruthalliance.org/videos
So, YES.
Suspicion around Musk/Trump is well earned, just not proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k89aYdZOC_I