On the one hand, it's a source that will have an obvious bias towards Israel being a liability.
On the other, it does confirm vibes based on talking with people in my life.
I'd really like to know sample size and methods for this tbh, would help.
Taking with a grain of salt, but believable to me.
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Complaining about people not liking your candidate doesn't seem to have worked in 2024, but y'all can continue to refuse to hear every time people warn you that the Democrats are failing to reach voters.
This was absolutely the biggest mistake of the Democratic campaign. Muslim voters had warned that they wouldn't be at the polls there if the administration didn't start acting to defend civilians in Gaza.
"Who else are you going to vote for" was a fatal strategy.
I wrote both Biden and Kamala to put an end to the bombs we were sending Israel and to also give women’s sports back to biological women. Neither issue was looked at. I still voted for Kamala with hope, but if Biden was the choice I absolutely would not have voted. It is genocide in Gaza.
The day before election night, I got a series of texts telling me to 'vote for Harris in order to support Israel' and 'it's not too late to support Israel in the war against Palestine by voting for Harris' and I literally felt my skin crawl with every single one I got.
You do realize that is made to push you to not vote, correct? That is something created by Republicans to make her look bad, not by her own press team.
Well, did she say anything otherwise?
Like... whoever made it... fine. But did her campaign or party ever say that's not true?
In the end, they pulled off a supporter of hers from speaking on palestine at her convention. Just A mild criticism. Advice. It's acts like that show their love for zionism.
It makes her look bad because they're targeting certain areas with messaging that they will reject. For example, pro-Israel ads in Michigan, pro-Palestine ads in Pennsylvania. In both cases it has the same effect of reducing voter turnout. Which is the goal.
15 months, Israel has dropped American bombs on children in tents, on refugees, and on patients in hospitals without President Joe Biden exerting any “real pressure” on Israel to stop.
The mere posture of pressure was exerted on Israel by an envoy of Trump's, lo and behold, a ceasefire was secured.
Definitely cost them a lot of extra voters. I don't necessarily think they voted for Trump but they just didn't show up because they didn't feel like they were being heard.
Dems definitely have a problem recognizing that their base is getting younger and their brass is not at the same rate.
Right. Trump didn't win the election so much as Harris lost it. We all saw it coming, and the fucking liches at the top of the party didn't do anything about it.
I liked the vibe honestly - but I think too many people were locked into where they were going to be without deviating from policy.
It should have never been that close but you needed an extra hook to say we were moving forwards and not stuck in early 2010's (better than the 1960's granted)
Not voting is really stupid though. Hope it was worth letting in 34 time convicted felon Donald Trump to slap Joe Biden on the wrist, instead of voting for the better political opposition 👍
Oh, sorry I was confused since you're scolding people for their voting decisions just a couple posts up, you know, the way you people were the entire election while defending Kamala Harris' campaign decision to tell most Dem voters to fucking choke on that shit wrt Palestine
running a candidate on a platform that nobody wants and ignoring all of the people saying "we will vote for you if you do this" while running against 34 time convicted felon donald trump, professing that this is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN HISTORY and offering nothing, seems much more stupid lol
Letting 34 time convicted felon Donald Trump into office is what's stupid. Who cares what the Dems platform is or which candidate they run. Are you of 85 IQ or less?
So many in this thread have a "I voted for konos" vibe. They'll be the smug looking ones when Trump's picks burn every federal agency to the ground. Yep. They suuuuuure showed Biden and Kamala didn't they.
I'm not fighting on behalf of Biden and Harris though. I don't know why anyone would think that since I haven't said anything about them, positive or otherwise. They aren't even a consideration in my position.
If I was an American, I would vote for the party least likely to make America worse. Neither party is going to the right thing with regards to Israel. They'll both keep supporting them. Why make America worse while changing nothing for Palestinians?
You were not fucked either way. The Democrats are always most likely to maintain the status quo, which is bad, but has the one virtue of not being worse.
Now not only will nothing change for Palestinians, but the minorities of the US are going to suffer from Republican pro-misery policy.
The marginalized were going to suffer under the democrats also, just like they always have. We absolutely were fucked either way, one choice would have just been a slower level of fucked at best.
And good job what? I still voted Kamala, smart ass, I did my part. You're not even American.
I mean they were quick to blame "the Gaza people" for their loss the day after the election after months of pretending their votes didn't matter, sooo...
These people are poisoned by Oligarchic thinking, posessing zero democratic ideals.
Sometimes atp i debate the utility the term “liberal”, given the separation between progressive liberalism and neoliberalism, and whether we should just call the people described “oligarchists”
they can't answer you, they're too busy sniffing their own/each other's farts about how great of a statesman Biden is for all of the nothing he did to this end.
It's not like one side weren't saying much, while the other side told Bibi to finish the job... People who helped Trump getting elected on that issue alone are, and I can't stress this enough, fucking morons. Enjoy 4 years of hell just to "stick it up" to Harris!
ah, the moderate centrist that hasn't learned how to moderate their parroted opinions to sound more centrist. go easy on them, I'm sure they blister under too scornful a gaze
As an outsider, I see the GQP focusing on literally anything except actual issues. Who in the GQP actually stood up for Palestine? And I mean being vocal about it, not some whispering in a corner.
And Republicans signed them, literally... Both sides didn't care and some idiots decided to help elect a crook hellbent on destroying the US and punish every single American for the Gaza issue. Better keep your shit on your side of the border when he screws up everything.
you are deflecting, what the GOP does is and always will be heinous. So when there is bipartisan agreement when it comes to our government arming a country doing genocide, why should democrats do exactly what the GOP would do? Who is that for?
Did the GQP proposed a deal to stop arming Israel? Last time I've checked, they've done nothing but push bills to send more weapons to Israel, go against the ICC for Bibi's warrant and so on. Bipartisan means that both sides agrees... the GQP is pro-Israel, so good luck with bipartisan anything.
Democrats have made it clear that they fully support Israel's genocide. Biden has sent them billions of dollars in weapons without a congressional vote. He is cheered on by most members of the democratic party. This has been obvious for years, I don't get what you're not understanding about this
Not well from what I've been seeing them post. I think people not wanting to give Joe credit for the ceasefire might have actually killed some of them.
1. I guess you’re right. 2. Wages for the lowest earners increased under Biden at a rate that outpaced inflation. What do you mean by healthcare? Most Americans have health insurance. Do you mean M4A? How do you think that could have passed with the legislature he had?
You asked how things could've been better. A higher minimum wage and Medicare for all would have done that. And both are popular with the majority of Americans.
I feel I'm 50/50 on this conflict, because it is reasonable for voters to have objections to how Biden has handled the problem, but in our system it's the Weimar Republic vs fascism. Staying home and letting the Tangerine Reich take over is unacceptable under any circumstances.
Given that the Weimar Republic is most famous for failing to stop the fascists, I always feel like this analogy works better as a point *against* supporting Dems than for them.
You are not responsible for how other people vote. Your vote empowers whoever you vote for. If you vote against genocide, it's not your fault that not enough other people did otherwise the same logic could say voting for Kamala was wasted becsuse clearly she didnt win.
So, that's why he seems so senile, it's because he's been working himself to death to get that ceasefire while also sending unlimited weapons to Israel. It's exhausting work.
They're not learning the lesson, that's for sure. They are in full meltdown mode, attacking the Left.
The Left are single-issue voters who are too childish and selfish to grasp how they destroyed democracy. And they are just trying to pose as morally superior. Etc.
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On the other, it does confirm vibes based on talking with people in my life.
I'd really like to know sample size and methods for this tbh, would help.
Taking with a grain of salt, but believable to me.
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A ghoul in human skin.
Weird how dems get to blame everyone but themselves for their ongoing systemic failures.
https://bsky.app/profile/agnesbookbinder.bsky.social/post/3lfpylyur5c2e
Just pointed out how not voting is for privileged spoilt brats.
They are per of a disinformation campaign
Many sadly were manipulated to give up Democracy over a war I. The Middle East
They have been radicalized
That’s ok we can see what people are saying in a year
If we want socialized medicine, maybe we need to turn out %ages that countries that have it do.
"Who else are you going to vote for" was a fatal strategy.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/us-news/muslim-group-withdraws-kamala-harris-endorsement-after-uncommitted-movement-claims-palestinians-denied-speaking-slot-at-dnc/
Like... whoever made it... fine. But did her campaign or party ever say that's not true?
In the end, they pulled off a supporter of hers from speaking on palestine at her convention. Just A mild criticism. Advice. It's acts like that show their love for zionism.
She could have easily stopped it, but it is true that she and biden love israel and the murder of kids
The mere posture of pressure was exerted on Israel by an envoy of Trump's, lo and behold, a ceasefire was secured.
Dems definitely have a problem recognizing that their base is getting younger and their brass is not at the same rate.
It should have never been that close but you needed an extra hook to say we were moving forwards and not stuck in early 2010's (better than the 1960's granted)
Months later you are still arguing in favour of genocidal pigs
Think very, very carefully; are biden and harris genocidal scum?
Now not only will nothing change for Palestinians, but the minorities of the US are going to suffer from Republican pro-misery policy.
Good job.
And good job what? I still voted Kamala, smart ass, I did my part. You're not even American.
Let's punish average Americans and help bring fascism, instead.
Good plan!!
NO! YOU DUMB ASSHOLE! Enjoy the camps
The fact that we told them, over and over, that this would happen is, of course, ignored.
Hey, wait a minute!
Sometimes atp i debate the utility the term “liberal”, given the separation between progressive liberalism and neoliberalism, and whether we should just call the people described “oligarchists”
All they care about is their 401K.
Please educate yourself on what Harris supported as a senator.
https://www.congress.gov/member/kamala-harris/H001075
Progressividm is when you promise an anti-price-gouging initiative but then make it only applicable during hurricanes
Progressivism is offering crumbs on rent and housing gouging and acting like you deserve a Nobel
1. Border catastrophe
2. Palestine/Gaza
3. Bidenomics
3. We could have healthcare and a higher minimum wage.
The Left are single-issue voters who are too childish and selfish to grasp how they destroyed democracy. And they are just trying to pose as morally superior. Etc.