NSDocument is not all about UI. It's a model-controller class. is all about data with UI, therefore NSDocument without UI is NSFilePresenter. However I believe the idea was to NSDocument work without UI part - but that doesn't seems to be a thing anymore. - ThreadSky

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krzyzanowskim.com • 101 days ago

NSDocument is not all about UI. It's a model-controller class. is all about data with UI, therefore NSDocument without UI is NSFilePresenter. However I believe the idea was to NSDocument work without UI part - but that doesn't seems to be a thing anymore.

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helgehess.eu•101 days ago

It was never different, it hasn’t really changed since it was introduced ages ago.
This is a good intro, notice how the NSDocument controls the windows representing it, not the other way around.
The name is a little misleading for sure.
https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/DataManagement/Conceptual/DocBasedAppProgrammingGuideForOSX/KeyObjects/KeyObjects.html

helgehess.eu•101 days ago

The latter screenshot you posted makes clear that the document is a controller, not a view.

krzyzanowskim.com•101 days ago

It's not a view, it's a model with a view. "the document is not the same as the file but is an object in memory that owns and manages the document data". The UI is an inherent part of its api. It could've been NSFilePresenter without UI part and that'd be more pure approach, in my opinion.

krzyzanowskim.com•101 days ago

all that said, that is the closest to what I'd like it to be https://github.com/ulyssesapp/ULDocument

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