I fear that this will not only be about Ukraine. But about a larger deal on European security architecture and a new US relationship with Russia. Trump and Putin share interests when it comes to American troop presence in Europe, withdrawal of US capabilities, NATO enlargement… They can go big. - ThreadSky

jpuglierin.bsky.social • 4 days ago

I fear that this will not only be about Ukraine. But about a larger deal on European security architecture and a new US relationship with Russia. Trump and Putin share interests when it comes to American troop presence in Europe, withdrawal of US capabilities, NATO enlargement… They can go big.

Reposted from Nicolai von Ondarza

Europe not on the table, but on the menu

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vfunk.bsky.social•4 days ago

Interessant, wer auf dem Bild entspannt aussieht und wer streberhaft nervös.

dustinfuerst.bsky.social•4 days ago

Der eine, der seit 30 Jahren Karrierediplomat ist, ist denke ich egal bei was entspannter als der über 20 Jahre jüngere Innenpolitiker? Der eine arbeitet auch seit 20 Jahren auf dem selben Posten, der andere für einen Chef, der letzte Amtszeit auf den meisten Ministerposten 2-3 Leute verbraucht hat?

jaemmanouilidis.bsky.social•4 days ago

Exactly. This is why the time of innocence is long over. Europeans have no alternative but to react forcefully. It is not a question whether they must do so, but when, how & at what price.

rajtham.bsky.social•4 days ago

And who pays the price.

roybennett.bsky.social•4 days ago

Whoever values thier freedom from American or Russian rule

replarc.bsky.social•4 days ago

If we buy European we pay it to ourselves

spraindsquirrel.bsky.social•4 days ago

I'm sure this is why they don't want other parties involved.

The Rubio-Lavrov Pact is born.

torstengrieger.grieger.de•4 days ago

And with all this, please don't forget the Saudi's interests ...

axeln.bsky.social•4 days ago

They? Trump will play along Putin‘s Plan. I don’t think he has a strategy.

oldlibrarian.bsky.social•4 days ago

Thank you. I feel less paranoid now, if not less worried.

lostineu.bsky.social•4 days ago

Why do you fear that - it could be good news for Europe. The odds are that the EU does not want a new European security architecture, despite its obvious failure

winfeld.bsky.social•3 days ago

Europe belittles itself deliberately. It must get much much worse for us before we start to act.

fquintard.bsky.social•4 days ago

I agree. If Putin’s primary objective has always been to destroy the EU and European unity, MAGA ideologists like Vance hate the values pushed forward by the EU (and Canada).

yeos-photo.bsky.social•4 days ago

EU will start by stopping buying US weapons, with consequences on that industry. Best researchers will move to the EU to avoid inquisition and corruption..

rgpoulussen.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yep!

yeos-photo.bsky.social•4 days ago

Trump usually sells things he doesn't own: lies instead of truth, chaos instead of solutions, and he will, of course, give a wildcard to Puttin on the EU, probably on the US too, as he removed all security safeguards. His ego makes him think he's the best.. failing everything so far.

christineloriol.bsky.social•4 days ago

📌

suurtoll.bsky.social•4 days ago

Europe has enough money and resources to defend itself from Russia.

We would never overtake US in military spending and our armies will probably never be able to compete with US army, but we can easily deal with Russia and tell US to fuck off and go and tell Russia to fuck off from Ukraine.

roybennett.bsky.social•4 days ago

Given we don`t need to rule the planet we don`t need to spend what the US spends anyway, add in we are bigger than them both population and economy wise, we could wipe the floor with them if we wished, that's what they are really scared of.

headbangingwall.bsky.social•4 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/headbangingwall.bsky.social/post/3ligzdemphk2o

alexgallagher.bsky.social•4 days ago

jsargentr.bsky.social•3 days ago

I just don't know what either side gets out of it as a benefit? It's a problematic friendship, but anything Trump really offers is a loss to the US. Even dumping NATO is now almost irrelevant as Russia has bled itself just about white. It's bad for Ukraine and Europe, but more for the US.

holgernehring.bsky.social•4 days ago

This would put the status of US bases on the table as well. And given how important these still are for the US (including outside NATO commitments), this is a lever Europeans can and should use.

european-military-aircrafts.net•4 days ago

140 years later... Heads have changed, but not the mentality.

cfbieritz.bsky.social•4 days ago

"I fear ...". You're right, but too academic. I think everyone can admit we're past the state of "fearing" / "dreading" and have reached the state of knowing

This is not isolationism on the part of the USA, this is collaborating with Russia.

Truly "historic" times, but in a very bad way.

a2t8.bsky.social•4 days ago

The idea that Trump can do a Yalta style deal with Russia is a non-starter: it underestimates Europe and savings flows; China backstops Russia‘s economy; internal dissent in the Trump administration (Rubio; GOP Senate) and in the US generally; +++

kekkoinen.bsky.social•4 days ago

How do you do a larger deal with a country that tears them apart every 4 years? Putin knows this, I think he is just playing with his toy.

daskleinee.bsky.social•4 days ago

Das geht für uns in die Hose und später für ihn...

liscopenhagen.bsky.social•4 days ago

It's a betrayal of allies.

pettet.bsky.social•4 days ago

See: https://archive.ph/2025.02.17-181615/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/

paddleonthesea.bsky.social•4 days ago

Zumal eine entscheidende Frage nicht geklärt wird: Wie sollen die Ukr an die Vorkommen im Osten herankommen, wenn es im Vertrag keine Bedingungen gibt die Gebiete zurückzuerobern. Solche Knebelverträge unterschreibt man nicht!
* Mglw. ist das auch nur eine Finte, um mit RU einen Deal zu machen.

donalddumb.bsky.social•4 days ago

europe had the opportunity to avoid this. we chose not to.

roybennett.bsky.social•4 days ago

how ?

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