NO, at issue is Trump administration's DOJ ignoring a federal court judge's order & this judge clearly unprepared to do what he knew he should have done is FIND IN CONTEMP just as any of us would have been in contempt ignoring a court order. Today is the first big crack in our judicial branch.
Since they were DENIED due process, there is no proof that they were anything other than ordinary people. These are Crimes Against Humanity, Hate Crimes...
Domestic terrorism is ideologically driven crimes committed by individuals in the United States that are intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy or conduct of a government per USA PATRIOT Act (18 U.S.C.).
Before we even get to the judge’s order - how do we even know the detainees were actual gang members and not random brown people they picked up in a Lowe’s parking lot and disappeared to El
Salvador? We’re supposed to just take Adolph Trump’s word for it? Demand proof!
I think what is at issue is whether the administration is even telling the truth about who they deported? I wouldn’t be surprised if they are women and children from multiple countries with green cards. Too many secrets
there is no question that all of those on board the flights were deprived of due process
there is no question that all three flights defied the judge's written and verbal orders
it's complete failure when the press cites this WH regime's defiance of orders as an issue in question
If Drumpf proffered a smidgeon of real evidence that they were illegal immigrant rapists, criminals and gang members we probably wouldn't be arguing over this, although actual conviction is (or was) the preferred American way.
the operative word is 'alleged'
they had NO Due Process, no charges against them, and no trials, yet were 'convicted' by Trump and sent to hell.
Un-fucking-Constitutional as hell
Pro tip: it isn’t at issue. They ignored the judge’s ruling. We are in a constitutional crisis. Stop giving this criminal enterprise the benefit of doubt.
Sure, I can explain myself. I just woke up and shouldn't have started my day by scrolling bsky since apparently, I completely misread what I was replying to and am a clown. Oops.
Stop using martial law as a way to scare ppl!!! I don’t know if that’s your intention but that’s what this is doing. Martial Law would require the entire military forgoing their oath to protect the constitution and that won’t happen.
Did you see the way those thugs, 2:1 in number, were hauling restrained men out, then shaved their heads? Did you see anyone resist? It'll by too late before too long if someone doesn't resist.
We must take our next moves from… the French. I have been ready and so are a lot of other ppl. Many of us think these comments about Martial Law are bots out there by Trumpers. Time to resist or revolt. Idc which.
Will this be the first sacrificial lamb of this administration? Who will be the first to go to jail? Be disbarred? Let's spin the wheel and see what career destroying move is about to transpire?
Flightware tracking is all the oppostion needs to prove the republicans are lying about the flight and when and where it was at each moment during the hearing.
And for hours this morning, some people here were arguing that this was an open-and-shut case, no doubt about it, no appeal possible, facts were clear, blah-blah-blah.
OF COURSE the Trump Administration screwed around with the law and the order. We all KNOW that. But debate was fucking inevitable.
The Alien Enemies Act allows for deportation without due process. However, i doubt that invoking the Act is actually legal. The proper conditions are not met.
Also, remember US citizens of Japanese ancestry were caught up in this in WWII. It's a big issue for all of us.
If they were all gang members I missed the news about the big shoot out and how many ice officers died in the line of duty because hardened gang members are not going to go peacefully into handcuffs….not with it being 200+
Other than getting them on the record? Very little, if they're caught lying under oath, I'm sure they will be pardoned. Ir may be a stain that keeps them from holding any future positions when Trump is rotting away.
Hey, @npr.org - now that Agent Orange is banning you from having normal access, maybe you might consider no longer putting up flattering photos of him with his "power" fist defiantly raised.
I suspect that as long as ICE gets their numbers of deportations and those numbers satisfy Trump, they don't care how they get them. In Germany, they went after Jews. In Trump's America, NOBODY is safe.
So I don’t see anything that these people were citizens. While I agree this is scary and it will be expanded since they are picking up legal immigrants already. I would like to see where it says they are citizens because that would be a huge escalation
I agree that it has. I am just wanting where citizens were deported because that was a statement. It has escalated as was expected with moving from undocumented to documented immigrants. The next escalation is deportation of citizens
The issue is that we don't know, because without due process, there is no proof of anything, no verification one way or the other, no lawyers able to examine cases. We know they've grabbed citizens recently, so I wouldn't assume none are. ICE isn't being careful, honest, &/or diligent.
That is fair and I don’t disagree. I also agree that this is a test on how far he can get away with ignoring due process. I just want to see reports showing citizens being deported because the next escalation is to denaturalize citizens
Intimidating or influencing a judge to obstruct the due administration of justice is a federal offense under 18 U.S.C. § 1503, which prohibits actions that impede or influence the judicial process.
They don't even know or care what happened to those who got dumped so ICE could make their quotas, legally or not. We don't even know the names of those who were disappeared on Trump's orders.
They just grabbed a bunch of brown people with some kind of tattoo or another, doesn't matter what (I hear the "Madre" gang is big now) & stuck them on planes is what I'm guessing.
Would I be surprised if some ICE Agents soon run into someone they are attempting to detain/take into custody wearing a suicide vest and detonate? Nothing is out of the realm of possibility at this point...
#Trump #ICE #Deportations
It's high time courts start holding the current administration in contempt of court, fining individuals, and having the federal marshall's service enforce court orders.
NPR yet again failing the people with their bad headlines and glossed over "issues". NPR, the issue is that Trump illegally kidnapped people in the judicial system and deported them to a random country. We also don't know if they were all actually gang members at all.
From the picture next to your name…if that is you I wouldn’t leave home without your ID…because you don’t look like how they think Americans should look like…
Pointing out that the orange turd prefers white straight men & if your taking the stand only scum was on those planes then if you look like the picture next to your name may want to be sure to carry ID saying your a citizen. Because they are targeting anyone who looks Hispanic or other nationality
ICE is doing exactly what they should - deporting illegal aliens with the worst criminals first. There is no evidence of widespread racial profiling. It’s actually been very targeted.
Man in Chicago arrested detained for hours before checking id would disagree…and proof that they were criminals or did you believe that ppl were eating ppls pets in Ohio as well? Even tho couch boy admitted he lied about it?
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At issue is that the Trump administration deported individuals without due process, to a country they aren’t even from and in blatant violation of a court order. Fix your headline!
There's nothing to Sworn!! Their families ALREADY told us their family members are Not gang members. And if anyone want some swearing, maga/Republicans look EXACTLY like a gang. But ya don't have to believe us, see what the FBI has said abt them⬇️!! Deport the maga/Republicans for doing gang shhht!!
This is only one step away from helicopterring the detainees 200 miles off shore, as done in the southern cone during the ‘70s. If this administration is going to break laws, go big.
EXACTLY.
We are being violenced against and many spinless jags still say "kill them with kindness", "empathy for ALL" or continue to normalize insanity.
NO.
Violence comes in forms, like denying healthcare, housing, abortion etc. I was not raised to take it like that. I fight back, I finish it.
I think it’s coming out now that no, they were not all gang members. Some were teenage boys with certain tattoos that don’t necessarily define them as gang members.
That's one issue. Then there's the issue of whether or not the people on that plane were all members of a gang or not. ICE is acting as policeman, prosecutor, and judge. Tattoos don't help those detainees, however not all tattoos are gang-related, and does ICE have the authority to decide that.
The despot detests anyone who is not a male WASP. He will use any means to prove that they are less than and do not have a place in our country. That includes women.
At issue is whether any of the deportees were actually from any gang at all. The judge may be looking at the defiance of his order but the fundamental issue is there was no due process for the deportees
They've flat out told us that they won't obey judges' orders. Now, let's see what these judges are going to do about it. My guess is, NOT A FUCKING THING!
They were. But in a fascist autocracy like the United States, courts are just for show. Finally, the courts are figuring it out. They don't even seem too upset about it.
If it was a Democrats the US Press & Media & GOP will ask them to give and answer it today and faster, but it is The Liar Felon Criminal Dictator Trump acting like a King Dictator, it is OK to them and his Terrorist MAGA & GOP to delay it, and the Judge will give him a Hall Pass like always!
The word to pay attention here is "ALLEGED" no due process and shipped to a notorious prison in El Salvador. Some might be innocents caught up in an ICE raid.
"Moderates" who support this quick type of justice and think this is acceptable... Maybe one day, you or someone you love could be deemed as TDA, an enemy of the state, or whatever... and be shipped off forever without due process. Do you see the danger in something like this?
"This administration is blatantly defying normal law and behaving illegally and erratically so we will continue acting as if nothing is different" GET WITH THE TIMES
I think it is important to recognize that this is likely exactly the issue that Trump wants to rest his case for omnipotence on. It is clearly illegal, and all the complaints are valid, but the majority of Americans will want potentially violent gang members deported, legalities be damned.
Sent to an Al Salvador gulag work-camp where gang members are sent to die with no amenities and no hope for release and rehabilitation. It’s a death camp.
That’s bad enough, but we know for a fact that innocent people who fled FROM these gangs have been sent there now by Trump.
A plane took off after the written order. That should be enough for contempt of court charges. This entire thing sickens me. How do they know for sure all those deported were members of a gang? Without due process, they don't know. Innocent people may have been deported.
This whole administration is shady as fuck. I trust any of them as far as I can drop kick them. And the trumpanzees in the capital building need to get off their asses and start doing their jobs and get their lips off of felon and muskkkrats ass.
If the plane had left before the TRO was issued, the Trump administration would simply show the flight logs & they would be exonerated. But, that’s obviously not what happened…
If only we had a #GlennKirschner in our Attorney General position instead of a Merrick Garland. -- we wouldn't be lookin' at this shht w/ this much mess in front of us,-- like right now!! 😳🧐 #Yeeeesh!
Oh, there wasn't one? That seems like a pretty big f'n problem for a country claiming to have the rule of law. Don't worry, I'm sure those in power will never come for you, specifically, though!
Dear judges of America can’t you guys see that he’s just baiting you? he’s begging you to do anything -he’s daring you to do anything -isn’t it past time that you- well -do something?
Two Federal Judges both have noon deadlines for tomorrow on two separate cases, both judges' orders were ignored and both seem none too happy, so fingers crossed tomorrow is a good day
I would imagine that it's easy to determine IF the airplane was over international waters....
Personally, I think that Donald J.Trump is lying as is the DOJ.
Isn’t it also “at issue” whether they were actually criminals or gang members in the first place? The smell test says this feels more like moving people who don’t look like us to detention camps in another country. No?
Seems to me the issue is whether someone is going to stand up to the blatant violation of the rule of law. Apparently, the legislative branch of our federal government has completely caved. Will not be long before the gloves are off.
Boycotts and marches will work if more people in the “head down in denial” camp and from the maga cap camp are brought in but that won’t happen with divisiveness nor with reactive (justified) alarmism which is putting people to sleep. Also the backstop of armed resistance is tough.
Why because the left and liberals have castigated or neutered even those who might say shit or retard. Civil is so beaten in that even a shove is oh my goodness did you see that. How then do you expect them to be ready for armed defense of family or hit and run in a guerrilla war unless they served?
Get proof they were gang members. Let’s start there. The Jan 6th animals were gang members too and he pardoned their mouth breathing asses. I’ll take whoever was on those planes over them any fucking day.
I think at issue was that there was no due process so we have no clue who was on the plane or if they had anything to do with a gang. And to prevent anyone from finding out, they ignored the court order to turn around.
They could have been American Citizens born here..that is one of the issues at hand. They deported them without due process so we have absolutely no clue…remember the lies about they are eating ppls pets…
I agree 100%. We already know the administration is full of pathological liars. How can we even assume that people weren't disappeared with zero legal reason.
We can’t maybe another country will check on humanitarian bases to identify those deported. Or if the government of that country is as crooked as felon he just gave them power over him to release prisoner info or pay them big $$ to keep quiet…
This is one of those times in history where we get a painful reminder that "laws" and "rights" and "Constitutional checks and balances" are all just words on paper unless there are people willing and able to enforce them.
Were they proven, beyond a shadow of doubt in a court of law to be illegal gang members? Or were they just rando brown people with tattoos that ICE didn't like the looks of? Maybe with the odd sprinkling of US citizens in there because why TF not, amiright?
Hi NPR. As one of the good media outlets, please do not refer to these men and children as “members of Tren de Aragua” even with the “alleged” qualifier. There has been no evidence provided whatsoever that they are anything but innocent people being profiled by their ethnicity.
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Domestic terrorism is ideologically driven crimes committed by individuals in the United States that are intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy or conduct of a government per USA PATRIOT Act (18 U.S.C.).
Salvador? We’re supposed to just take Adolph Trump’s word for it? Demand proof!
Our government has been taken over by fascists!
there is no question that all three flights defied the judge's written and verbal orders
it's complete failure when the press cites this WH regime's defiance of orders as an issue in question
they had NO Due Process, no charges against them, and no trials, yet were 'convicted' by Trump and sent to hell.
Un-fucking-Constitutional as hell
And SCOTUS is responsible.
Saved you a whole thread of reading.
What happens when Trump
Declares Martial Law,
replacing civilian rule
with military authority,
suspending civil liberties
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OF COURSE the Trump Administration screwed around with the law and the order. We all KNOW that. But debate was fucking inevitable.
There’s also no chance in hell I want due process to end in the United States of America!
#constitutionalcrisis
Also, remember US citizens of Japanese ancestry were caught up in this in WWII. It's a big issue for all of us.
And if not 'convicted' then why send Venezuelans to El Salvador and not to their own country?
https://youtu.be/MnqvG95BOqE?si=3fEWyusNh_eyyR9Y
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/deported-family-us-citizen-girl-brain-surgery-alleges-abuse-rcna196705
Let's ALL get a tat.
Hmmm.
What should it say?
#Trump #ICE #Deportations
NPR, do better
Show me where it says Judge and jury? To determine if a person is a gang member? And how else are they determining who to stop if not racially profiling?
Who's going to be the world's hero?
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Already did that twice with no effect
"Fascist dictator ignoring courts orders"
There, I fixed it for you.
Journalism doesn't require "both sides deserve the same respect" bull shit when one side is only lies.
And it's plain as day what side is lying.
We are being violenced against and many spinless jags still say "kill them with kindness", "empathy for ALL" or continue to normalize insanity.
NO.
Violence comes in forms, like denying healthcare, housing, abortion etc. I was not raised to take it like that. I fight back, I finish it.
I have no qualms with "empathy for all" unless it's unilateral.
It's naive to blindly give empathy 100%. I would know, because I was that naive idiot about 20 years ago.
100% Patience is fine, but you have to be stoic (not "broic").
You reserve your empathy for people who aren't sociopathic.
Are they all gangs members? What specific crime have they committed. THATS the story NPR
- did these people, criminals or not, receive due process under the law?
- is it legal under international law to send people to a third-country slave labor camp?
Stop this weak tea now.
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They think that they rule
Do Not Comply!
That’s bad enough, but we know for a fact that innocent people who fled FROM these gangs have been sent there now by Trump.
Because there was no court proceeding to establish that
#NotMyFelon #CareerCriminal #NoRuleOfLaw #PresidentsAreNotKings #Resist
Oh, there wasn't one? That seems like a pretty big f'n problem for a country claiming to have the rule of law. Don't worry, I'm sure those in power will never come for you, specifically, though!
NPR is now the sunken place
If they do, they're disbarred.
Win-win.
#Treason47
The ACLU, Democracy Forward and other nonprofits have lawyers and paralegals who are doing just that.
Personally, I think that Donald J.Trump is lying as is the DOJ.
I think that judge should hold them all in contempt and put them in jail. This will probably go all the way to the Supreme Court.
Congress needs to grow a spine and take trump down.
At issue was CONSTITUTIONAL DUE PROCESS to find out whether they were what they were alleged.
And who the fuck is "NPR Washington desk?" (Author)
Why do I have to click through more to see who "wrote" this state propaganda?
Is this compromised by fascists?
Were they proven, beyond a shadow of doubt in a court of law to be illegal gang members? Or were they just rando brown people with tattoos that ICE didn't like the looks of? Maybe with the odd sprinkling of US citizens in there because why TF not, amiright?