Well, having spent a week being yelled at on Twitter by TradCaths about the Ordo Amoris, I see the Pope has weighed in and...surprise!...it turns out that, yeah, JD Vance's reading is not consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. www.vatican.va/content/fran... - ThreadSky

bretdevereaux.bsky.social • 129 days ago

Well, having spent a week being yelled at on Twitter by TradCaths about the Ordo Amoris, I see the Pope has weighed in and...surprise!...it turns out that, yeah, JD Vance's reading is not consistent with the position of the Catholic Church.

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/letters/2025/documents/20250210-lettera-vescovi-usa.html

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jurahamster.bsky.social•129 days ago

The next step is obvious: Elect an antipope and have him excommunicate the heretic in Rome.

girlinblack.bsky.social•129 days ago

If there's a US president who would pen an executive order to give themself the power to elect bishops...

jurahamster.bsky.social•129 days ago

Kings and Emperors should have three offices: Commander in Chief, supreme judge and highest priest.

girlinblack.bsky.social•129 days ago

Don't look at me, I'm Spanish, we are still pissed off about Franco's Nationalcatholicism.

jennyeverywhere.bsky.social•126 days ago

He's probably got some spare failson who needs a church office.

titaniumman91.bsky.social•129 days ago

There's not much that would bring me greater joy than getting to live though another Pope Fight. The world is on fire and fascism is on the rise, but at least I'd get to experience one of the sillier parts of the Medieval world first hand.

djmccann.bsky.social•129 days ago

Only if we get Cadaver Synod 2: Electric Boogaloo.

titaniumman91.bsky.social•129 days ago

Can you imagine them putting Francis' desecrated corpse on trial because he had the temerity to feed the poor?

bretdevereaux.bsky.social•129 days ago

greenclock.bsky.social•129 days ago

I mean your laughing now but at the rate the World is going...why not have a good ecclastial schism.

seriousgm.bsky.social•128 days ago

Look, I'm German, and I can very much live without yet another war on the particular disagreement with the pope du jour.

greenclock.bsky.social•128 days ago

I am german too and eh, if we die it might as well be funny.

seriousgm.bsky.social•128 days ago

Just burn down Magdeburg for old times sake, and defenestrate someone in Prague?

spookyspctrlsqnce.bsky.social•129 days ago

I think that's pretty much Trump's campaign promise, with the whole "sin of empathy" thing

tjradcliffe.bsky.social•129 days ago

Well, since Jesus was American don't you think the Pope should be too?

kereminde.bsky.social•129 days ago

This scene flew to mind rather quickly...

(Source: A Knight's Tale)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn1BKuGSFNY

morabo.bsky.social•129 days ago

Hedge funds are already financing that, so yeah, that's where we're heading.

kmwsd.bsky.social•129 days ago

Tradcaths believe in a Warhammer 40k Space Pope fantasy. The actual pope always seems to disappoint them, with his calls for charity and compassion.

dirtside.bsky.social•128 days ago

there's only one true Space Pope

jabbahat.bsky.social•128 days ago

Well, Tradcaths take the position that the pope is not really Catholic.

patpwm.bsky.social•129 days ago

What a surprise

holothibo.bsky.social•127 days ago

To have to remind anyone about some passage as basic as the Good Samaritan parable to make a point feels like a new low. It’s really the euphemism for “just open the -goddamned- book, just once, ok?”

jennyeverywhere.bsky.social•126 days ago

mikesenters.bsky.social•129 days ago

TradCaths aren't really consistent with the Catholic Church either given their absolutely hatred and animosity towards Vatican 2.

titaniumman91.bsky.social•129 days ago

I'm convinced most of the Trad Caths are mostly converts who enjoy the pomp and pageantry, not people who have deep concerns about the theological differences between their previous Protestant denomination and Catholicism.

bretdevereaux.bsky.social•129 days ago

Yeah, I mean, on some level I'm not on great ground to criticize. I'm Lutheran, we were ignoring the Pope back when it was cool.

But it is pretty odd coming from adult converts to Catholicism, who presumably made a conscious choice to respect the spiritual authority of the Pope.

arriagasevilla.bsky.social•129 days ago

Lots of Catholics all over the world do their best to ignore this pope. He's too progressive for their tastes. They felt much more comfortable with the previous two ones.

bifuriosa.bsky.social•129 days ago

Lots of (different) Catholics all over the world did their best to ignore the previous two.

Doubtless this stretches right back to Peter.

patricklinnen.bsky.social•129 days ago

Bring back Pope Joan.

kereminde.bsky.social•129 days ago

You're right, look up the history of the church sometime.

Even at the shallow end of references, it's f--king amazing it lasted this long.

hootiehoo19.bsky.social•128 days ago

Even then, George Weigl was openly questioning stuff he didn't like about Pope Benedict, flat out saying Benedict didn't write certain parts of *Caritas in Veritate*

dirtside.bsky.social•128 days ago

"look, if i can't be a bigot, what's the point in all this LARPing"

abjurer.bsky.social•129 days ago

My take as a lapsed Catholic:

boatpeeper.bsky.social•129 days ago

TradCaths are a perversion of "fundies" as someone who grew up in circles similar to this. They like to inject their individualism and disdain for the poor and women that your average Catholic doesn't hold. They're obsessed with textual literalism and purity like evangelicals also.

titaniumman91.bsky.social•129 days ago

Don't forget big silly rituals, ideally done in a language they don't understand so they can go back to doing the opposite of the teachings in their day to day life.

boatpeeper.bsky.social•129 days ago

Yeah, they also never want to actually study and understand Latin deeply because "ooh spooky Roman paganism" probably. Same with Greek I've noticed if it's not directly tied to church language they don't bother learning.

erilaz.bsky.social•129 days ago

don't TradCaths reject the pope's input for anything past like, the 1960s anyway?

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