The worst one is when a europese furry dude makes a "wild" character complete with war bonnet and other "tribal" looking clothing, or calls their character a shaman but isn't a healer
I don't even think the origins of the the Two Wolves proverb is even known. Can you link me your source? Because I cannot find anything tracing it back to any singular person or even culture. Even the notion that it'sof "Cherokee" origin is in question.
I have a source attributing it to a christian author, but im seeing doubt at where they got that info from. It is Not cherokee and almost surely not indigenous at all, and the modern version seems to have been created by that Christian author, Billy Graham
It seems to have been popularized by truck stops selling kitschy plaques claiming it's a cherokee story. Either way, it isn't native, and we're really tired of seeing it everywhere.
Early recordings of it always have it be missionaries or some shit with godawful racist stuff. As far as I know, this story and nothing like it are present in any actual native cultures and, even if it wasn't billy graham, it seems obvious it was made up by Christians
Eh if Billy Graham has is mitts on it, chances are extremely high it's whole background is suspect then. Generational grifter that man. Thanks for sending your sources over!
Billy Graham popularized it. He either invented or adapted it for a sermon & later put it in his 1978 book. Originally said it was an Inuit story. When they pushed back he changed it to Cherokee.
Either way, it's a complete fabrication appealing to the Noble Savage and Disappeared Peoples tropes.
There's a dang good reason why a lot of my friends and I have taken to calling cannibalistic creatures Wendy's Employees. Not only is it funny, but it avoids appropriating the actual name and using it (since the name is said to have power.
As for the wolves joke... eh? Thoughts to follow...
I've never associated it with taking shots at Indigenous culture. But I've also seen it in the context of making fun of people's directly opposing sides in their wants. Things can evolve; so long as folks aren't using it to mock Indigenous tribes directly, I feel like we're changing the context.
hey, there's a million and a half other memes you can use to have fun, maybe when a native, concerned person tells you it's not okay to use this specific one, you can listen and try to understand, and not dismiss their opinion completely? that's super disrespectful.
Hi, I'm cherokee. This story is falsely attributed to My people. We are telling you guys to stop. It isnt hard to just be respectful of it. I genuinely see the stupid ass fake story posted unironically All the time, it gets really really tiring and it being a meme is very frustrating.
That's fair. I guess that would change the nature of it, especially if you're seeing legitimate versions. For what it's worth, I can understand appropriation, and while my group is very much about defanging things, I can understand if yours is more on the side of removing it entirely.
Its just a reminder that people will freely steal our name and do whatever the fuck they want with it and people will eat it up. Why do you get to say 'it's ok to use now, it's changed!' Most people don't even know the story is fake, and they'll still gladly use a silly wolf meme
Nonnatives don't know the context and we have been trying to educate people but no one gives a shit because they wanna keep using their fun meme. Just please give it a rest.
The fact that you don't associate it that way is part of the problem. It's so ingrained that people are just perfectly okay with it. As a Cherokee, it's maddening, because people *believe* this trivialising muck, while many of our *actual* stories are literally gone forever because of colonization.
Which is legitimately unfortunate. I truly wish that we knew more about the folklore and culture from so many tribes who had their identities wiped away. It's understandable to be defensive, especially with how writers tend to use that stuff as "exotic" stuff without respecting the source material.
if anyone else is scrolling through these replies just know, from another native, we do not give a shit about what ifs or what abouts or "what about my exception to this rule", stop being obtuse and keep your hands off shit that ain't yours
I think part of it (apart from privelege obviously) is so many people just can't wrap their mind around it being an active very real thing to the cultures its from.
They assume its the same deal as Greek Gods where genuine belief in them is no longer societal so they kinda are just cool stories. 1/
This is something I try to be aware of. While I don’t latch on to any particular indigenous story or entity, my own spirituality aligns more closely with some Native American beliefs than anything European. As genuine as my intentions are, history (understandably) causes distrust any time I ask.
This is something I’ve been working through privately for decades and all I can do is try to figure it out for myself because any attempts to reach out to indigenous practitioners results in me being accused of appropriation.
I’m not trying to take anything and make it mine, I’m hoping to learn techniques to engage with what I feel, techniques which have been developed over centuries of practice, but which aren’t “for me” because of the actions of my ancestors.
I lament the loss of what could have been mutually shared if history had resulted in a healthier relationship between indigenous peoples and Europeans if the latter had arrived as respectful visitors instead of colonizers.
Someday I’ll work up the courage to reach out to the local tribe, to try to understand how to live where I do as harmoniously as possible. I love the land I live on and, while not native, feel a connection to this place I can’t explain. Sadly, I worry that even talking about this invites scorn.
Its a very touchy topic. There's the question of what makes you think your spirituality is close to natives'? Considering native religions are closed and so not shared, what do you even know about them to compare to? It's a reasonable assumption that you could easily be going off of stereotypes
We have personally found Green Witchcraft (book by Ann Moura) to offer some interesting perspectives on more nature based belief sets. For reference we are white and mostly SBNR with Christian background left due to transphobia. Still exploring. But the grass and moon touch us deeply somehow.
I do think following OP's advice about looking into existing publications instead of asking natives directly is more respectful. And will get you a book's worth of information :> if not several
My LLC @ranchertoads.bsky.social has mascots whose names all end in ode (cause they're toads) and I take a lot of liberties with it. But W-o is on the list of banned toad mascots. Most banned are slurs.
Meanwhile we will be making Chode for unsanitized corp pride this year
I remember reading that it symbolizes all-consuming greed, and in a way, it’s fitting how the “well I don’t believe in it” folk end up ultimately fulfilling that
So possessed by greed that you can’t even stop yourself from trying to steal the stories of others…
i'm not arguing bc it's not a hill worth dying on but i feel like the fact that the "2 wolves inside you" was a fake proverb by a racist makes it even more worthy of having the piss taken out of it. like i'd feel worse about the way it's used if it was an actual native proverb if that makes sense
Sure! But I think natives are the ones who should be taking the piss. Most nonnatives don't know the context and think it's genuine, yknow? Like, when natives meme on it it's with the knowledge that it's bullshit, but when nonnatives do that context is gone and it feels weird
As European, it's often hard to find informations about those traditions that weren't "whitewashed". I'm taking note and I will try as much as I can to educate the people around me.
Do you have any trusted sources? I like to learn about other cultures traditions, spirituality & myths but from them.
You don't HAVE to give me sources for me to believe you tho. I wanted to make this clear. I will apply those rules and be mindful of my words/expressions no matter what.
I was just wondering if there was any link you might be able to share.
I'm genuinely not sure if you're sincere or sardonic here. Sorry.
But I don't think that tribes have like specific email address nor it the person in charge of it would be able to give this kind of absolution. Also, I'm curious to learn things, not to speak for natives. It would be disrespectful.
Its a very wide topic. There are hundreds of native cultures with their unique languages and traditions. My advice is to just look for legit native authors, but that's still easier said than done. Most I know are cherokee, like Chris Teuton. Robin Wall Kimmerer is good, she's Potawatomi
But it just depends on what you wanna know. Books from legit native authors would be the way to go. It can be difficult though, as there are plenty of people writing and saying they're native when they aren't, plenty of people fake native identity.
Look for story collections. For cherokee, 'Cherokee Stories of the Turtle Island Liars Club' is a very good one. You can also find older sources that may have been compiled by nonnatives, but the stories are recorded directly from native storytellers. I'll look around and see if I can find a list!
But keep in mind that often the details of our spiritualities are kept closed and private, which is why I recommend native authors, they won't share stuff that shouldn't be known publicly. But definitely feel free to learn about our stories and art and history!! Follow some native folks too!
Thanks for taking the time to give me some name and pointers to start!
It IS a very wide topic but internet made me realize that, even if I though I knew that what we get here was probably altered, I never realize how much nor that there was an agenda behind it. In retrospect, it was naive of me.
From my admittedly limited understanding after doing some research and reading what Native people had to say on the topic, the big issue with how the we-i-o is used is pop culture is that it's often something a native person in fiction turns into or is part, while still being a hero.(1)
This is massively incorrect on multiple levels, but the main one is that the entire concept of the creature is that it represents recklessness, destruction, greed and corruption. It's intended to be pure evil. (2)
And when natives are the ones often being portrayed as a creature that happens to share traits with a lot of harmful native American stereotypes...i can understand how it became a harmful topic.
So yeah probably don't want to use it for a furry oc. That's fair.
I’ve spoken up about wendigoon (the YouTuber) about changing his name due to the anti-native language behind his entire identity but was called a tender queer for being upset over it.. drives me insane…
Feathers and "tribal" motifs aside, possibly the worst thing I've seen is bondage dream-catcher art.
Tulpa, Totem, and Familiar would also be cultural appropriation, come to think of it (just wondering if there is a non-offensive term for what people mean when they use terms like "spirit animal").
I've seen pop culture terms like 'patronus' [ew] or 'daemon'
Or just say 'I relate to that' why even bring up a spiritual concept when you just mean 'lol so me'
Say 'that's my fursona' or 'kin' idk
If it is a spiritual thing, you can say animal guide or whatever and it's fine
"Kin" works I guess. I thought "animal guide" would be too close to "spirit guide".
Bit off topic but I think the "daemon" comes from a Greek idea of a spirit that follows us through life -- the Latin version was "genius", and "strokes of genius" or inspiration were thought to come from that spirit.
look ill be honest as a person with native american heritage i think there are a lot worse problems going on for native americans then someone thinking the mythology is cool enough to identify with on a personal level.
let people be happy. we dont have enough happy people
I'm pretty sure humans are capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time. Besides these three things are so minor that removing them from my language doesn't even impact me at all so defending their use feels silly
Just having 'native american heritage' doesn't mean anything without any connection to culture or community. Idk what people you claim or how you're connected to them, but I've seen too many people with a 'cherokee great grandmother' telling us this exact shit when we're fighting to reclaim-
- the names of our mountains or literally anything else they don't like, I can't buy it. You don't get to talk over connected natives because of some ancestor you have if you aren't connected to community and culture. So. No, people should not be taking our culture for their own to 'identify with'
I know i don't really go here, but realizing this in the past is why I've tried to research my ancestry with cultures I *can* immediately connect with. Even if I discover heinous shit in my research.
Because I rather than appropriate cultures that have already dealt with enough shit.
Yea, and im not saying 'if you didn't grow up in the culture you aren't ever native no matter what' considering I'm reconnecting. But that's the thing, I'm Reconnecting. I've been putting the work in for 2+ years to learn and connect with my culture AND COMMUNITY. and it requires work!
That's part of a much larger issue than 'don't use these words' it's appropriation and stereotypes and just plain racism. It's more important to fight that than let some people play around with our cultures as if theyre fucking toys just 'to let them be happy (:' fuck that.
My mom has been into the culture for as long as I remember, she owns multiple eagle feathers and has given me one of them because of my high school graduation. This ain’t some 23 and me fact I’ve pulled out of my ass
I’ve asked my mom and some of her friends and they don’t give a shit about people making a ‘wendigo’ character. Cause they are a bit more worried about the current administration, and the fact that water bottle companies are draining their lakes. You are the only person I’ve seen worried about this.
Not to mention that the skull deer creatures aren't even the big Ws in actual folklore. The design got popularized after some stupid horror movie made their monster that.
Discussing the unnatural (and death) out loud in the home is the Navajo taboo violation more-so than the name in that case. That is at least my understanding from primary Navajo sources.
So genuinely curious for more perspective: do you think the appropriated/bastardized concepts, if given different names, would be okay on their own? (As they're not really even faithful?) Or are there elements outside of the names of these that you think should also be abandoned?
The skull deer design has nothing to do with the being it's named after, so just calling it something else is fine! Just call it a not-deer or skull deer or whatever and I you'd be good i think
For real, it's the bare minimum, lmao. I've heard of some people referring to them as Leshy via Slavic folklore, but I don't think that's an accurate depiction either. The best bet really is just calling them "skull deer" or "undead deer" or something.
Personally I've always thought of them as being in the "not-deer" category, because at least as far as I'm aware that's a newer, or at the very least non-indigenous, cryptid (though PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong)
Leszy is definitely not "skull deer". If i remember my Slavic folklore correctly, they mostly appeared as huge pale men dressed like woodsmen or game wardens, capable of turning into a bear, wolf or owl, and commanding other beasts. Balkan lore called them "wolf herders".
You can't hear someone from a culture say not to use words or concepts that are Theirs, and then continue to do so respectfully. That's inherently disrespectful
Not sure why you think you have the authority to tell natives what people can or can't do with our cultures
Yall, you don't have to understand why something is the way it is to listen and respect it
If people say 'this is from my culture, don't do this thing' then just accept that they know what they're talking about and say ok and move on.
The number of people in the replies going 'well I think it's fine as long as [blah blah]' as if this is just virtue signaling by nonnatives. Both OP and I are native [penobscot and cherokee respectively]. We are telling you directly to cut the shit out.
People are talking as if natives aren't in this conversation, yall we're right here 😭 I don't care what you think about it, if someone from this culture is telling you to stop, you cannot keep doing it respectfully. You're just being a dick.
fr I'm neither american, nor native, but the last comment I replied to made me so angry like "oh I think it's okay now because it drifted far enough from the original material" like no? it's still not an excuse? Native people are asking you to stop ONE thing, there's a million other things to do!
Nonnatives, this isn't an isolated thing btw. This isn't Just about 'spirit animals', this is part of a much bigger issue of our cultures being simultaneously suppressed and stolen from. It was illegal to practice native spirituality until 1978, but nonnatives could play Indian
Our sacred practices are being stolen and sold off, causing overharvesting of sacred medicines and bastardization of our religion. We get people coming into our spaces saying 'I KNOW I'm native, I can talk to animals and my spirit animal is a white owl!!!' Or whatever the fuck
I have an acquaintance who is, or claims to be, native and doesn't care (I'm VERY far removed Oneida, so for all intents and purposes I white), but I still err on the side of caution because many people DO care and it's just basic respect.
I'm still reeling that these statements and requests and for-your-considerations _still_ have people (let's be honest, mostly white people) reeling and being angry.
Like, fuck, man, this is exactly why furry to this day has a racism issue at the heart of the fandom especially to indigenous peoples.
1. Yes, absolutely. It's fucked up that people are still using that name.
2. Very true, I'm happy to agree.
And 3. I didn't know that, but I'll add it to my list. it's the same kind of shame that always gets me. I hate learning something I like is traced back to racism. And it's EVERYWHERE
That's very understandable! I appreciate that you're respectful of it, and using it without knowing that it's disrespectful and then stopped when you learn is nothing to be ashamed about.
I'd be willing to bet they don't want people saying the word they censored is due to the fact that native peoples keep their spiritual history close to the chest and those things are fucked up. Like even talking about them is bad news kinda fucked up.
Genuinely asking with maybe some sources to explain it: why is the censored word something that shouldn’t be used? I haven’t come across that before and from a search haven’t found anything else.
The entity is a very strong taboo, whether or not it bothers someone else directly it's very disrespectful to use the casually, especially since invoking its name only works to erode one's own humanity.
It's common across cultures to not use the word for monsters, lest you call them. For example, the English word "bear" descends from a euphemism used to avoid saying the proto-Germanic word for a bear.
And a w****** is a much worse thing to call than a bear.
Ppl don’t need to fully understand why these things are upsetting. (I don’t fully get it myself.) You just need to respect it.
People are too bent out of shape over needing to understand things like this. You just need to be respectful.
I don't understand it: It's so easy to just, you know, not use the terms. Doubly so when someone affected by their use calmly repeats themselves, likely for the millionth time, with some variation of "Hey, can you please not?"
If they didn't know, that's one thing, but come on.
It is worryingly cyclical for sure. I'd like to think it's been tapering off a bit but that's probably just because I'm not on Twitter anymore to see it.
No
Considering they're just using the name for their spooky mutant monster, it's not any different than what the OP is talking about. It's categorized as a 'cryptid'....
Fallout 76's actually have a bit more lore behind them than even the other cryptid-class enemies in the game (themes of cannibalism, implied to be pre-War, not FEV related like most of them), but it would make sense that even still they don't pass the "actually use them right" test
Yea tbh at this point i personally don't think they should be used at all by people who aren't of those cultures. There are nonnatives using them as like. Allegories of capitalist greed and stuff and I've still seen people from those cultures saying 'hey those aren't yours, stop it'
I'm not of those cultures though, but yea mostly what I've seen have been people saying 'they aren't yours, leave them alone entirely, stop taking our shit'
So idk if theres a scenario where nonnatives can use them respectfully at all, but im sure theres nuance to that that I can't speak to
With how much native culture has been stolen and completely twisted, it's totally understandable that people don't want nonnatives using our shit anymore. I've seen plenty of people say nonnatives shouldn't make native characters or write native stories at all, it's so easy to get shit really wrong
On one hand I can't understand things like a word not being able to be said because it brings bad luck/a creature, as I don't believe in that stuff. Nor can I see the impact things like the two wolves meme/spirit animals is really doing.
But what I can tell is it's disrespectful even ... 1/2
Yea, it can be hard for nonnatives to fully understand the context of these things! I get that, there's a lot of stuff surrounding it that most people just don't know. So it's important to realize that you don't have to understand to be respectful. Thank you ! (:
if I don't understand it so I will continue to not do these things as I have also never felt the need to do them. But I will also inform others who don't know any better when I can.
I have read the book and watched both movies and I guess that creature was completely wiped from my mind because I can't remember anything looking like a "skull deer" in the story. XD
Mainly, to the they Algonquian speaking people they originate from it's beleived you shouldn't say their name at all. And also how the pop-culture version is a complete distortion of the original folklore. Replacing an deeply held indigenous beleif while claiming to be the same thing.
That's one of the main issues with cultural apropriation in general. When a dominant culture takes a cultural element from a minority culture, they end up warping the common idea as to what the element is, which can never fully be undone.
I've heard it a lot, but I *believe* (don't take my word at face value) that saying the name of one is a bad omen, and looked down upon in the cultures it exists in.
I might be entirely wrong, and if I am then I'm sorry-
Because it's a part of a culture that people are stealing and misusing without any understanding of what it is. Idk how to explain that people shouldn't just take shit from other cultures for their furry characters or cheap horror shit if you don't get it
Native cultures are constantly stolen from and we have our sacred concepts used as cheap novelties by settlers All the time. Idk, you just gotta accept that something isn't OK and you aren't going to always understand why, but that's the point. People don't even know what these beings are
And thats how you get stupid skull deer, which is completely divorced from the original being so there's no point in it still having the name.
I'm not sure if i explained it well but basically, because it is and people from these cultures said so.
Basically it's another being from an indigenous culture that's been reduced to a movie monster by white folks who didn't understand the actual significance behind the legend. Kinda like Vodou and the Lwa.
While yes, its key to listen and fully understand the origin of a cultural "meme" (in reference of something being pass down generations).
Its much better to support the groups directly by giving them platforms, because thats a more help full tool than just locking everyone in their own spots.
Culture and stories is something that should be spread around BUT NOT forgetting the origin spot of it because we be just placing even more barriers between everyone.
I propose better to have the understand ment of the meme we are using and what it ment to the original culture.
Not even sure which thing you're talking about. You want natives to share the real origin of 'spirit animals' so that nonnatives can steal even more ? Things are closed for a reason, that being how everything through history we've shared is stolen and misunderstood
Or are you talking abt 2 wolves, which isn't native to begin with and to us just shows where someone has stolen our name and used it to exotify his shitty story, and now nonnatives are constantly showing it back in our faces
Just leave stuff that isn't yours alone
Huh? Sooo you think the way our cultures survive is by being bastardized by nonnatives who don't understand? Our cultures belong in our communities, not shared as novelties by people who don't have the context to understand it. the stealing of our cultures is contributing to the decline
And its not like no one is sharing any of our culture, there are hundreds of books shared by natives of our stories, history, art, dance, etc. We have museums and events to share. But we don't share our religion and that upsets you why?
kind of reminds me how mental health related terms get spread around to the point of losing meaning too. at some point it feels malicious rather than just ignorant. like sure some defend it not knowing the harm they do, but I don't doubt there's plenty people that defend it for malicious reasons.
one of the tools of colonizers to erase indigenous cultures is that of language. they appropriate the words of indigenous people and spread around caricatures of these terms that are grossly removed from their original meaning (or erase their original meaning entirely). this destroys their culture
And it's amazing just how enraged non-native furries get no matter how politely they're asked. Lots of bad faith claims "freedom of expression" is under attack.
“freedom of expression” or “freedom of speech” arguments are 98.8% of the time just people bitching over being told off for being a bigot and/or an asshole
Just start looking up indigenous cultures and learning about them I swear the truth is a million times cooler and more interesting than the racist lies you were told
This is especially important given that a certain con has decided a good theme for next year is "Western" - I am not exactly optimistic that is something furries in general are able to pull off without issue.
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https://crossingenres.com/you-know-that-charming-story-about-the-two-wolves-its-a-lie-d0d93ea4ebff
Either way, it's a complete fabrication appealing to the Noble Savage and Disappeared Peoples tropes.
As for the wolves joke... eh? Thoughts to follow...
today I learned my favorite joke was racist accidentally....sucks
but ill never do it again now that i know
Genuinely no one ever told me, so I didn't know better.
Kinda wish I could apologize to those folks, but the best I can do is just stop saying it
They assume its the same deal as Greek Gods where genuine belief in them is no longer societal so they kinda are just cool stories. 1/
You'll notice how shows like Hazbin Hotel omit god or use a stand in. But will use general concepts like angels and demons freely 2/2
Meanwhile we will be making Chode for unsanitized corp pride this year
So possessed by greed that you can’t even stop yourself from trying to steal the stories of others…
Do you have any trusted sources? I like to learn about other cultures traditions, spirituality & myths but from them.
I was just wondering if there was any link you might be able to share.
But I don't think that tribes have like specific email address nor it the person in charge of it would be able to give this kind of absolution. Also, I'm curious to learn things, not to speak for natives. It would be disrespectful.
It IS a very wide topic but internet made me realize that, even if I though I knew that what we get here was probably altered, I never realize how much nor that there was an agenda behind it. In retrospect, it was naive of me.
So yeah probably don't want to use it for a furry oc. That's fair.
Tulpa, Totem, and Familiar would also be cultural appropriation, come to think of it (just wondering if there is a non-offensive term for what people mean when they use terms like "spirit animal").
Or just say 'I relate to that' why even bring up a spiritual concept when you just mean 'lol so me'
Say 'that's my fursona' or 'kin' idk
If it is a spiritual thing, you can say animal guide or whatever and it's fine
Bit off topic but I think the "daemon" comes from a Greek idea of a spirit that follows us through life -- the Latin version was "genius", and "strokes of genius" or inspiration were thought to come from that spirit.
let people be happy. we dont have enough happy people
Because I rather than appropriate cultures that have already dealt with enough shit.
(But also, I would probably censor that word in the future as it could potentially be offensive)
The skull deer design is a super cool aesthetic for sure, but I'm also interested in how far/near taboo or not the shape-changing/stealing concept is
So long as people are not being disrespectful its fine.
Not sure why you think you have the authority to tell natives what people can or can't do with our cultures
If people say 'this is from my culture, don't do this thing' then just accept that they know what they're talking about and say ok and move on.
Like, fuck, man, this is exactly why furry to this day has a racism issue at the heart of the fandom especially to indigenous peoples.
1. Yes, absolutely. It's fucked up that people are still using that name.
2. Very true, I'm happy to agree.
And 3. I didn't know that, but I'll add it to my list. it's the same kind of shame that always gets me. I hate learning something I like is traced back to racism. And it's EVERYWHERE
...but not in a... Like... Avoiding responsibility way.
It's a fine line to walk
It's not a religious experience for me, so it doesn't need to "sound cool" using other people's words
And a w****** is a much worse thing to call than a bear.
People are too bent out of shape over needing to understand things like this. You just need to be respectful.
If they didn't know, that's one thing, but come on.
Considering they're just using the name for their spooky mutant monster, it's not any different than what the OP is talking about. It's categorized as a 'cryptid'....
So idk if theres a scenario where nonnatives can use them respectfully at all, but im sure theres nuance to that that I can't speak to
But what I can tell is it's disrespectful even ... 1/2
2/2
But yeah, 100% agree. If you wanna use the design, just call it something else. Make up a word if you have to.
I might be entirely wrong, and if I am then I'm sorry-
I'm not sure if i explained it well but basically, because it is and people from these cultures said so.
Its much better to support the groups directly by giving them platforms, because thats a more help full tool than just locking everyone in their own spots.
I propose better to have the understand ment of the meme we are using and what it ment to the original culture.
Just leave stuff that isn't yours alone
Because I dont know, more over people would just gloss over with just a simple explanation.
There is empathy that should be given to the pain caused, sadly people just know the meme picture and not the story.
https://crossingenres.com/you-know-that-charming-story-about-the-two-wolves-its-a-lie-d0d93ea4ebff
All of that gone, I am indeed sorry for what happen for the indeginous people from america.
But you are proposing a cultural death rather than helping people be more informed
But there will be people that resonate with the origin of that meme and look in depth to the people and their history.
Keeping their memory alive.
More over this just maybe bring more atention to the original culture but it HAS TO BE DONE with wisdom and a deep understandment of the meme.
Because if its not taken with care we do have cases like Emilia Perez.
(low key "Skull Deer" sounds metal as heck, people SHOULD use that)
https://bsky.app/profile/de-snoot.bsky.social/post/3lhbve2bywc2m
https://x.com/RoisinMichaux/status/1635014578450100224