As a former Navy Hospital Corpsman (Medic) and nurse, the fact that we are facing a near certain return of childhood diseases that had been all but silenced for years because of the plans by the new Trump admin is nothing short of maddening.
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It is beyond maddening. I alternate between anger and being despondent. People have completely lost their fear of these deadly diseases. They may regain awareness of them in the worst possible way.
Or strokes into a veggie before he has a chance to implement any of his horrid plans. Not as many MAGA culties will follow Vance. They don't really like him.
Even if nothing comes of his promises and the plans land in the rubbish bin, the damage is done. Parents worry and fear which leads to delays in vaxs, or no vaxs. The idea gets planted and it snowballs from there. I see it w/ my siblings who delay vax w/ their children and simply ‘wait and see’.
This, and the rise of new variants of existing diseases plus new diseases as they cross species barriers fueled by climate change and habitat destruction which is happening now with H5N1. Coupled with defunding of R&D and removal of surveillance, is a recipe for global disaster.
The 2024 election needs investigation. After 8 years of crime with Russia, we have every reason to be concerned. Problems are evident. And America deserves Justice.
As a former, Vietnam-Era 🇺🇸U.S. Army 🪖 Medical Corpsman ⛑️ (trained at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, TX), I (and countless others) will hold 🤬🖕🏻 #tRUmp 👹 🦠 responsible for the deaths of millions more Americans. ☠️
Can states themselves continue to vaccinate its populace for those that continue to want them? States rights and all? I’d think insurance companies would be pro vaccinations over the cost of paying for hospitalizations.
How long before this cascades into insurance companies not covering vaccines since the gov't doesn't mandate them and then also not wanting to cover medical expenses for the unvaxxed who get "preventable" diseases?
I’m about to become a grandmother for the first time. I’m scared shitless for the life of her. I’m so scared it’s taking away the excitement I should be experiencing right now. It’s not fair! 🥲
Omg how can you not worry? I understand worrying doesn’t change the outcome but I can’t help myself. I understand your fears completely.I try to be optimistic everyday but it’s getting harder.
🥲 I’m taking everyday one day at a time. I don’t know what else to do. I know I’m not alone but it sure as hell scary isn’t it? Thank god for hubs for trying to keep me semi sane.
Me as well. It’s a little girl. Although I’m extremely excited I’m worrying twice as much now. I shouldn’t be. It’s their happy time so I’m keeping my fears to me & hubby. It’s hard though. 🤯😤🤬🥵🥲
You have a Democrat as governor, hopefully he’ll make sure vaccines are available. All Democratic Governors should form a coalition to purchase vaccines from pharmaceutical companies. We have large populations to support it.
I am also concerned that having all these "Anti-Vaxxers" in Public Health roles will stifle the R&D of new Vaccines, and also the Supply and Distribution of existing Vaccines. Scary AF.
Can parents pay privately to vaccinate kids? Measles, mumps etc.can kill if outbreaks occur. You will also have women dying as they can't get the care they need. If he gets rid of ACA more deaths, cutting financial assistance to vets etc, more misery
Parents who can afford it can pay, but it's not cheap. The MMR vaccine is around $350 where we live -- for each shot. The poor, as usual, will suffer disproportionately.
If only those who can afford vaccinations get them, it will not turn off the faucet of infection or the herd immunity necessary to prevent massive outbreaks.
If you and your children are vaccinated but many others are not, there is still a risk of infection because of the time it takes to impart immunity, no vaccine is 100% effective 100% of the time and immunity can lessen over time.
I'm a certified infection control nurse. I also have trouble acquiring or maintaining immunity via disease or vaccine due to PFAS exposure as a child, so I'm all about herd immunity and protecting the vulnerable. The response of the cult to Covid showed us all they don't give a fuck about anyone.
Money first & human life second. He is beyond scum. He’s weak though, he’s a coward, poor little rich daddy’s boy who would collapse if he had to do a real days work.
I dont know the US system, we are lucky we get ours done free. Its always the poor who suffer the most & rich people don't care about that - its going to be a long 4yrs
I highly doubt it will be only 4 years. Now that the cult has regained power, it has no intention of surrendering it in 2028 -- or ever. Remember TDFG told his devotees if they voted for him this year they'd never have to do so again. Dictators don't hold fair and free elections.
Parents should have the choice. It would only be brainwashed cult followers who would want a ban. Hopefully RFK does not get confirmed & congress actually vote down all these ridiculous plans - if they are involved.
I hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath. They plan on destroying the current system and replacing it with a theonomy or autocracy, so I have little faith anything good and right will be left of our government.
The US is an extremely litigious society & you have far superior lawyers on the good side (some ex republicans). A lot of governors, DA’s & mayors will fight back. So will the American people. The minute some of these crazy Project 25 changes hit home-his popularity will sink faster than the titanic
Do dictators give a shit about lawyers? Nope. Has the convicted felon faced ANY consequences for the shit he's already pulled? Nope. Do I have even the slightest hope someone will stop him? ~sigh~ Fuck no -- at least not until millions have died due to his narcissism and stupidity.
Pregnant women/girls without antibodies who are exposed to measles will have catastrophic results, e.g., premature births, stillborns, etc. It's abhorrent!
If no one has the disease, u can’t catch it - I know this b/c I’m an RN. The virus has to be there for u to catch it so if nobody has it, u won’t get it! I had every childhood disease same thing for my mother and grandmother & none of us died. (I don’t think RFK will get confirmed)
So, when you're vaccinated you don't get the disease. It doesn't mean it's not out there. They are been brought in from other countries and there are carriers that can infect other people.
So if you're not vaccinated you can catch the diseases, they're not eradicated from the world.
I’m sorry Jack. I think the old international vaccination cards will return and you won’t be able to enter countries without showing your recent vaccinations. I don’t understand how passively so many Americans are accepting the orange mango and chaos that he is going to unleash.
First Right Wingers were against vaccines and masks. And now they are against pasteurization. Next they'll be against boiling water and washing your hands with soap.
~sigh~ I know. They'll stop counting cases, just like they did with Covid, so they can say the numbers are going down. The bug has already infected 55 humans; in April 2022 an immigrant who had a job working in the US poultry industry died. It has already been found in pigs, too.
What if the long range plan is to kill off millions of people -- most likely the poorest and sickest of us. Then the demand for all resources will go down and they won't have to do anything about climate change (as if they ever intended to do anything about climate change).
… and in a way I personally am very glad that the Grim Reaper Mitch McConnell scuttled his ascent to the SCOTUS. The fact he almost will be in cohorts with Republican Radicals in the court or he may at best would be sleeping on the bench…
I think if there is a really bad event with a virus and a catastrophic and tragic outcome occurs, I think the people that survive will be the only people that never went to sleep and remained woke to the science. What's left of those who didn't believe the science will be too few to take a mind of.
The downside of that would be what? The only downside I see is there might be some collateral damage, but not that extreme. After the last pandemic, I'm not going to fret over people that don't believe in science, but the alt right commentator who's vaccinated but won't make it public knowledge.
No downside at all to losing MAGAts. Sorry, not sorry. But those that die who are not MAGAts, as a result of Scump’s ineptitude and his appointees and hid idiotic cult ignoring science, is the downside.
We can be woke to the science, but the vaccines need to be available; that takes government funding for research, and that may dry up when replaced with thoughts and prayers.
Don't worry, the next one wil come long before they are able to turn the NIH into the National Institute of Holiness. As a matter of fact, it might be incubating right now, H5N5. That isn't to say there won't be damage done just by the nature of those allowed to administer the NIH.
Do you really think pharmaceutical companies will succumb to thoughts and prayers. I will stand in line for the vaccine that gives me a chance rather than crowd into a temple or church to pray for a cure. It didn't work 700 years ago; it won't work today.
Really? You don't recall all that *science* that was later proven to be very harmful, even deadly? And don't forget the science that the petroleum industry and the tobacco industry skewed or kept hidden as long as they could, because of all the MONEY they had to lose. Pharma does the same.
Pharma does the same, but somehow so many people believe that every vaccine is so perfect and holy that *there can be no questions!!* And they believe that *more vaccines is automatically better!* and don't you dare ask any questions or look to see what's actually happening to human bodies!
I would say on the whole, there are fewer less than perfect medications and few to no less than perfect vaccines than you are being a blowhard about. There are never going to be any perfect medications because life has side effects.
As an infection control nurse in UK I watched the growth of measles outbreaks following the misinformation re MMR. Things could go badly very quickly. Tragedy will follow.
how many people died there from the measles? how many died from medical error or deliberate malpractice? how many died from bad prescription drugs or badly made medical devices? how many tiny babies died from the vaccines directly injected into their tiny bodies?
Those figures will be available but in my experience the problem in our schools and nurseries were from measles. When GAS met measles problems were exacerbated. In my career I personally did not witness any deaths from vaccines, only from lack of them.
The guy who’s going to head the NIH believes in the Wakefield study connecting autism to vaccines specifically the Mac measles vaccine. He’s a nut job.
💔 in a more perfect world, RFK jr and those of his ilk
would be held liable for the misery, pain & suffering, & death their irresponsible disinformation is causing
How are we as a society going to counter this tragic misuse of our modern network of communications?
Putin wanted America divided, weak and sick so he got himself a useful idiot to play president for him. He defeated the U.S. without shooting anyone in 5th Avenue. We have fallen so miserably, what a shame.
It’s a very frightening thought. My organization has worked tirelessly to eradicate polio world wide. I cannot fathom the devastation of lives should they succeed in their plans to do away with vaccines.
Meanwhile Musk, Trump, Thiel et al. make sure that modern medicine is available to them as needed. Remember when President Trump got Covid, and they used a state of the art experimental serum to treat him? They want us sick, not them. Evil motherfuckers, the lot!
If RFK removes vaccine mandates they will be quickly reversed due to all the sick and dying. Hope is parents are smart enough to vaccinate their kids based on the obvious FACT that many diseases have mostly been eradicated thanks to vaccines.
Just Say No To Polio!!!
I see parents seeking pediatricians purely for the reasons that they don’t “push vaccines” on their children!!! 😳 It’s going to get worse — and fast! — as herd immunity all but disappears.
The bad part here is it will take a few years for this to show up. Trump will be out of office or dead and he won't be held accountable for the damage.
Threats are different than action. Threats extort offers of $ and tribute usually by unindictable "perfect" phone calls. Wild & disorganized threats lead to chaos that hides such extortion. in the face of disorganization, anything less disorganized gives the appearance of control which Trump seeks
To be honest, the whole thing freaks me out! I come from the 70's vaccination craze, I got my polio, small pox, measles, mumps, chicken pox, which kept me healthy my whole life, now they want us to retake our measles again now! Kids will die, because of Trump's administration!
I had a subclinical case of polio when I was young. Before the vaccines. I got an upper respiratory infection from it. The little girl who gave it to me never walked again. 😔 I was beyond lucky. That’s what kids are going to face if polio vaccine and other important vaccines are made unavailable.
They’re facing a crap shoot with their lives, same with measles. How ignorant this country is because vaccines have left them with no personal experiences of the heartache that’s coming.
Absolutely agree. People think epidemics like we had when I was a kid can’t happen here anymore.They’re too dumb to realize the reason we didn’t see those diseases was that people were vaccinated. They’re gonna be in for a rude awakening when measles, chickenpox & even polio make a dramatic return.
It’s astounding that the millions of deaths from covid taught them nothing! From the beginning of the pandemic I tried to warn people that a novel virus has unknowable consequences. Instead of learning that’s true, they still think ivermectin, and now cod liver oil, will miraculously cure them.
Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox to name the biggies. Write or call your Congress, people! All of these diseases can have lifelong consequences and/or death.
As a kid I used to marvel at how the Roman Empire became so advanced and just ended, followed by the dark ages. I saw what we have in this country and could imagine going back to the 18th century. Now I see it.
I just worry with their return and people affected by them that a mutation will develop, and this new variant will be immune to the previous vaccines; then with no new research and development we who were vaccinated will also be affected.
My neighbor, Steve had polio in there 50s, our cousin Kathleen did also. She survived well. Steve was paralyzed from the waist down. I don’t want any kids to go thru that as well as parents! Horrific
I retired from teaching a few years before COVID hit. I really don’t know how teachers were able to get things done. I lost two former colleagues: one an administrator and one a wonders gentleman who worked well with at risk children. I am sure not only did the Orange Snake cause the death of over
a million people and leave many like me with long COVID symptoms, but he lowered the educational attainment of every child in school because of his ineptitude. I’m afraid you are right about our children being exposed to more childhood and adult illnesses due to the deliberate appointment of
It’s like the christianity fuelled right wingers want another dark ages, where science is demonic + the church is revered as the source of all that is good
Conservatives have never adapted well to a diverse ever changing social ecosystem
Adaptation is survival of the fittest!
They want the Bible to be their main source of “knowledge”. Some actually believe the earth is flat only because the Bible refers to “the four corners of the earth”. If the Bible says so, it must be true! 🤯
They believe it is the actual word of God, despite the fact that there are different versions of the Bible different translations, etc. Even if it had been the word of God originally, it’s been transcribed, edited & translated by people some of whom had their own agenda & many mistakes made.
Ceasing immunizations strikes me as being a criminally insane thing to do. Perhaps the Trump Cartel has secured a new patents for Iron Lungs, which would undoubtedly be manufactured by TESLA.
Yesterday while watching football One of my Republican friends said he didn't have to worry about Republicans repealing Obamacare because he got his insurance plan through covered California. This guy's a former Apple engineer. They just don't get it.
It amounts to a self-induced purging of the species by the species being purged. As long as vaccines are available for the sane, I see it as tragic, but not worth losing sleep over.
As a doctor, I can tell you that the sad reality is that those of us with faith and science and knowledge will continue to get our children vaccinated, so Dr. Darwin is going to selectively hurt innocent, far right wing children, and evangelical children. Dr. Darwin is a bitch.
Those with faith and science and knowledge who have the financial wherewithal to pay for vaccines will continue to get their children vaccinated. Once again, the poor will be fucked.
Remember the movie, the mist where the father unalived his children before the monsters get there? Stephen King kNew, the emotions he was writing about.
Retired RN,C and FAACM. The younger idiots in this country have no idea how free from diseases that killed my and my parents generation. If there was only a vaccine for f-ing stupidity.
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Jack, I didn't know you were an HM! That makes you an even cooler Veteran!! ❤️ I went to HM school in Great Mistakes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/rfk-jr-vaccines-cdc-fascism-abuse-catholic-church-autism-conferences-rcna181605
Many of the trump policies are. Seems america is heading back to Medieval times.
So if you're not vaccinated you can catch the diseases, they're not eradicated from the world.
Here is a story essay explaining my admiration of them.
"Unconditional Love"
Hopefully, you can get to Facebook to read it.
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An entire flock of birds was destroyed because of the presence of Avian Flu.
The H5N1 story is yet to be told. 2025 will be ROUGH for the domestic egg industry. And consumers will bawk....
Maybe they should have their own anti-vac wing
Not this time. Now, it will happen due to sheer stupidity.
would be held liable for the misery, pain & suffering, & death their irresponsible disinformation is causing
How are we as a society going to counter this tragic misuse of our modern network of communications?
It should be a crime
I am terrified
We can’t hand over this country to a madman
I have always
Will always
Vaccinate myself and my kids
I trust the science
And yet our media fails us with euphemisms
Just Say No To Polio!!!
Or trump cult members.
The Avion Bird Flu Story is about to be written.
Bet.
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I would not wish 60 years in an iron lung on anyone.
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#MagaEW
Conservatives have never adapted well to a diverse ever changing social ecosystem
Adaptation is survival of the fittest!
Hope I remember right, it’s been awhile
witness such foolery.
Destroying the country shouldn’t we protect our country ?
Hello brother.
I went FMF after 3 yrs. Spent 2 on The Blue Ridge