Yeah the younger Bush floated the idea of running things in a more corporate style of leadership. He got way out over his skis trying to privatize Social Security. There’s a reason it’s always been a political third rail. It’s our money 😐
Mystifying that anyone believes business and public service are the same. Only one of those entities is focused on making more money than it spends. That "more money" is at the expense of both the worker and the consumer. Entirely different goals and far less accountability on the private side.
It’s always been an incredibly bad idea. Governments are not businesses, and don’t have the same goals and motivations. Many business motivations are entirely antithetical to running a government.
I read a quote from someone once that went ‘if you run a government like a business, pretty soon you view the people as no more than assets and liabilities’. And that is exactly what Trump is doing.
This always pisses me off. It's not a business. It's a service. We pay big money for these services. When businessmen get in there and cut waste they are actually cutting services...
I’ve always held that opinion. To me running a business is the opposite of running a government. In a business the people answer to the top guy. In a government the top guy answers to the people. That would be in a perfect world.
That is because they think Society is a business. It is that simple but they are wrong.
Society is centred on People. Assisting those that due to events beyond their control require assistance. It is helping each other to overcome afflictions that Humanity are prone to.
It is defending your group of Humanity when another group of Humanity attacks you for their own reason.
But also as the Latin Maxim goes
Absurdum est ut alios regat, qui seipsum regere nescit –
It is absurd that he should govern others, who knows not how to govern himself.
Yes, for example:
During trump's first presidency, he said the USPS "lost" money, as if they were supposed to turn a profit.
They didn't LOSE money, they SPENT money, providing a service.
False thinking from a business man.
Government is not a business!!
Government only has the focus of providing for the common good and defense.
Cutting skilled public servants is not the answer to greatness.
It just results in unnecessary deaths so the rich can get richer
💯👆 government should never be run as a business. It's not a for-profit enterprise for a board of directors & profits. It is an enterprise to keep the country running, strive for some sort of fairness & equality, & to serve the people not profit for the elite. "Run like a business" is a lie.
It’s like winter. They moan and bitch about how cold it is. Declaring they will never complain about 100* weather again. Enters summer. Damn it’s hot, I’d rather be cold than hot. That’s what a friend said…not me. To be clear. I didn’t say that “a friend” did. Ok. 👌 🤣😇 Damn. I lost my point.
Yeah those business leaders with companies who get a fuck ton of subsidies from the gov. How does that work?! I thought they were meant to be experts in business
Politicians set us up to be in this situation because most of them are greedy as fuck by nature! Public servants of any kind shouldn't be making 6 figures, above or below board!! I struggle to think of more than a handful who should withstand a clean sweep of Washington!!
Government is an entirely egalitarian enterprise. If a government is making money, it’s failing at its job, which is to set the stage for everyone else to make money.
I agree. What I like to say is that businesses would not exist without gov't. The gov't creates the market for businesses to make money. They are very different things.
It might have been less fucked if it were sane, competent business leaders. Instead, we have failed idiots at the helm, one who bankrupted every business he cheated and the other who can't even launch a rocket that doesn't explode and is clueless about tech.
And how many people who run businesses are good at their jobs or are moral and ethical? A company that pays is CEO 250x more than the average employee is not a good employer.
It's a complicated HR business. As a teacher, I present a purchase request, my principal reviews it, the superintendent approves it, I order it and teach my class. Principal stops by to observe and I have 120 people who judge daily. Less paperwork would make us more efficient, not fewer teachers.
Not a for profit business but a service industry for citizens.
We were doing great during Biden's term. The characterization of that economy as a failure is a big lie.
business = profits for shareholders, not employees
career politicians = respect for rule of law and service to the people.
Now if we can get Business/Money out of politics we have a chance
I don’t know, when I think about big business men I think how they pretty much only care about themselves. They don’t really care about the people who make them money. We absolutely do not need that kind of person running the country. Government for the people, not the president.
Because they only focus on quarterly numbers and not long-term investment. For example cutting 6 billion dollars out of the national parks budget when it produces almost 60 billion in tourist Revenue is a really stupid business decision no matter how you look at it
It doesn't help when you have bad business leaders, ones who have been bankrupt or ones who have always used lies, government payouts and unkept promises to increase their business's value. In this case, the business leaders are only interested in their own position not the good of everyone.
That idea should have been consigned to the rubbish heap decades ago, but the American idealization of business means it keeps coming back to distract us from the obvious truth... government is not a business.
Maybe a big part of the current problem is that the business leaders involved are either political sycophants or simply liars and grifters ripping off other people’s money?
Tricky one as Trump can hardly be described as a business leader. Career criminal, conman, ignorant lying narcissistic sociopath perhaps but certainly not a business leader!
“Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and NOT FOR PROFIT, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men…”
Thomas Paine - Common Sense - 1776
Government is supposed to protect us from predatory businesses, not be a predatory business. whoever said "run like a business" had to be the dumbest, or evilest human ever to walk the face of the earth
The math on that checks out, he was the little ball of turd that started the avalanche that led us to this moment in history, defunding the mental health apparatus, removing the fairness doctrine, cia selling crack, funding middle eastern terrorists, installing leaders. a million curses on his name
I would like some company to hire me, a person with no experience in business, to come in and streamline their operations. Seems like it’s pretty easy: just cancel contracts and randomly fire people. What could go wrong?
This libertarian devotees to Ayn Rand never read her damn books.
As moronic as I think she is, even she knew business people shouldn’t run the gvt. Doing that is what truly caused the hellscape at the end of Atlas Shrugged.
Trump has never been considered a business leader. He was a failed businessman which is why he wasn't doing anything when they approached him for The apprentice
I understand your sentiment and I beg to disagree. Politicians and our courts were the ones who allowed big money into politics. They wanted that money and now this is what we have.
Politicians generally do think of and work for their constituents.. business owners need to be restricted from donating large amounts and from running for high office..
Alberta’s conservative governments have always talked about running government, and healthcare especially, like a business. It never has and never will work that way successfully. It’s stupid and fails miserably.
Here’s what needs to be put to bed - that 47 is a successful businessman AT ALL!! Even Dems repeat this MYTH!! Why??!! Why do D’s start sentences in TV with “Well, he’s a businessman…” when his “businesses” failed time after time, and his wealth (don’t confuse this) came from, cheating!
The corporate take over of medical care parallels. All a mugs game, no responsibility to any mission. Buy, decimate care, restructure, sell. All the while marginalizing and devaluing intellectual professions. Musk’s zero human factor or empathy stand pays the tab with people not dollars.
We treat our business leaders like gods. Working at large tech companies you see CEOs, Presidents, sales leaders, etc. get rockstar treatment by their employees…to be in their presence means everything. We worship wealthy biz leaders and most fail upwards with title and bailouts.
I’m asking Floridians to sign a petition to recall Rick Scott. He won’t hold town halls and won’t respond to constituents calls. I’ve called daily for a month and no one has ever answered.
It may not be constitutionally supported, but it can send a collective message.
As you might remember he already took the fifth 77 times when asked about his hospital business cheating medicare out of billions of $$$. He will hide behind every law to avoid serving the ppl.
Yes gather everyone who feels the same way you do, gather everyone up & go to him to make him & the orange menace take notice. It's the people who gave him the power & it's the people who can take that power away.
That's everything, trying is way better than crying, crying has never fixed anything but a release. It won't fix what hurts you as no one will be there to wipe those tears away but you. People tend to forget how much power they have, you are powerful remember that.
It's a different mentality.
A business is supposed to make a profit for the CEO/president. Employees are supposed to obey and contribute to profits.
Government is supposed to protect and provide citizens.
When a business man tries to govern, his mentality is to see citizens as employees.
I'd say we put the "We need actors to run the government" to bed, too. Ronald Reagan, for example. And, now, for a second season, a reality TV host. Oi. IF we decide to pick a businessman again, let's at least make sure he was a *successful* businessman.
Oh you have not seen anything like the next 90 days ... Doge is crashing social Security according to MArten O'Malley Biden's commissioner ..that will fuck the whole economy up ..
trump HATES America ..
That is a brilliant observation. I've only worked for others twice, and each time briefly. And that's because each time I thought the company I was working for was run by blithering incompetents.
Politicians know the limits of the law. Stinky does not. No wonder he couldn't keep a business afloat legally. Felon is and always will be unfit to lead anything. Micromanagers don't trust their own ppl to deliver.
No female leader that i remember EVER accomplished the vacuum of decency, common sense that frump has...
I think we can put the men are better leaders to bed too
Even in business you do not put the CEO of a water company to run a fashion brand
Competencies matter
Running a country requires competences
There is none now
The worst possible thing one can do is try to run a country like an enterprise. It will end to a catastrophy. Sorry for saying this but not sorry because it's true.
Business model - come in, chop staff and eliminate departments, reshaffle existing operations, show profit on paper, get bonus and move on the next thing or get fired by shareholders. Seen both ending.
Trump never ran a large business. Almost all of his businesses have failed. His real estate would have failed as well if he actually paid taxes owed on bankruptcies. His real success has been conning others to believe he is successful.
Exactly. A (democratic) gov’t takes care of its people. Businesses take care of their shareholders and profits. Shut down Citizens United, corporations are not people.
Government should never be run like a business for the same reason you shouldn't run your family like a business - if you did, you'd have to turn your son into a drug dealer and your daughter into a prostitute for maximum profit.
I have a whole essay about this. The VERY short version is: CEO types are used to being absolute rulers of a private for-profit business, and every part of that goes against what a free society needs for serving the common good. "Run government like a business" is what kings and dictators do.
That’s when they actually followed laws. I wish they followed laws. Right now we’re dealing with a lawless regime. They still haven’t released the USA ID funding that was ordered by a federal judge last week.
Unfortunately yes the world dynamic is changing.. all because one country voluntarily elected a Con!! 🤬🤬. I’m furious over the stupidity! But that’s America for ya. 🫢
Business people have also extorted the Governing process to line their pockets with cash. "Politics is the dirtiest business in the world" my grandma told me in 1966. She saved the US taxpayer $850 Million in 1955 (Sac Bee). A teacher and pioneer in rural electric coops. Anna Dahl knew back then.
The current captured Republican majority of the US Supreme court’s rulings. Yes there should have been an election review and Garland should have resigned early on. But all in all the first priority was to save lives and get the American Rescue Plan passed. Manchin and Sinema.
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But the people who voted against this and echoing the false narrative of “ a bad debate “ are idiots.
What more could they have done, except the MAGA was continuing Russia’s false narrative in a fake impeachment inquiry.
The Hunter, hunter, thing. So he would not change the DOJ. Remember …
Biden’s administration did more for the people of America and our foreign policy in defending our national and global security interests. Israel was projected to be the target of Iran, which has been propped up by Russia and North Korea.
Labor, manufacturing, energy production, vaccine distribution
Excuse me but according to your President ( duly elected by ?!?) he’s the greatest deal maker and he’s been told by a lot of smart people that out of deal makers he is probably number one, and his side kick the ex richest man in the world, what could possibly go wrong with that combination- JD Vance
John Wayne’s first lead was Stagecoach in 1939. One of the characters is a Bank manager escaping in the said stagecoach after having stolen from his own bank. He complains about the national debt and how a businessman in the white would be smart. 1939 wow
Your warmonger members in the White House are threatening military action against Canada! You must remove this criminal administration to prevent further escalation! #uspoli #cdnpoli #Never51
Amen to that, Jack. Hey, how is your daughter doing? I hope her MSUD isn't too serious and that you and your wife will be able to keep it safely under control.
Being ruthless vis-a-vis market competitors is fine/necessary in the business world. Not so much in governance and international relations, with actual lives (vice mere profits) at stake.
Run the government like a business is officially worse than trickle down economics. Notice the common theme of the rich take charge leads to epic economic failure.
The Justice System and Judges own what's going on, NO ONE is Stopping or Intervening to change the direction Trump is taking us because of this;
👇
“He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
This statement allows Trump to move forward, uninterrupted, PERIOD
We watch and say, OMG, my benefits and funding are gone, or you fight for it.
Meaning, watch America plummet with Trump and the Wealthy at the helm, or we all do the same as Trump, Citizen Retribution is to save our funded programs going to the Wealthy.
Turning off the taps is working. But There is something seriously amiss when a handful multiply their wealth tenfold in a decade while the minimum wage stays at $7.25. It’s almost like it’s a rigged slot machine. It’s Not mathing for me.
I think we should distinguish between “small business owners” vs “corporatists” and “billionaires”. Of course we are dealing in broad strokes so maybe it’s hard to convey but we should still applause small business owners and what they mean for our future.
The idea of gov't being run like a business has been implemented since Reagan. Businesses do not realize that they would not exist without gov't. The gov't creates the market for businesses to use to make money. They are separate things.
No its not and couldn't be more clearer right now as Trump alone is flexing his ignorant muscle to squeezing the life out of the country and making it the weakest it's ever been on the world stage & giving hope to autocratic countries to take what doesn't belong to them. We need more ✌️
At one time, I loved the idea of Lee Iacocca for president. He did a great job with Chrysler. Fast forward, I agree with you. There are very few business leaders who are truly great. Politicians it is!
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Society is centred on People. Assisting those that due to events beyond their control require assistance. It is helping each other to overcome afflictions that Humanity are prone to.
But also as the Latin Maxim goes
Absurdum est ut alios regat, qui seipsum regere nescit –
It is absurd that he should govern others, who knows not how to govern himself.
A wise man neither suffers himself to be governed, nor attempts to govern others. -
During trump's first presidency, he said the USPS "lost" money, as if they were supposed to turn a profit.
They didn't LOSE money, they SPENT money, providing a service.
Government is not a business!!
Government only has the focus of providing for the common good and defense.
Cutting skilled public servants is not the answer to greatness.
It just results in unnecessary deaths so the rich can get richer
[Bluesky, is an edit function in the works?]
“The odds are with the house “
I don’t think much separation remains
MUSK IS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN WHO IS CLUELESS ABOUT GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.
PUTIN, RUSSIANS, AND OTHER COMMUNISTS MUST BE LAUGHING AT US DAILY.
A government IS NOT a business.
It's primary function is to facilitate the creation and enforcement of law, the management of infrastructure, and the national defense.
In none of those interests is it beneficial for government to be run like a business.
Corporations are not People
Freedom is for People.
How dumb can Americans be??
Musk CO’s constantly under SEC investigations. FL senator whose firm was found guilty of Medicaid fraud.
Calling them “business leaders” is like calling Putin a “politician” - factually true, but at core they’re crooks.
It leads to corruption because either way you have a small group of men with way too much power.
We were doing great during Biden's term. The characterization of that economy as a failure is a big lie.
career politicians = respect for rule of law and service to the people.
Now if we can get Business/Money out of politics we have a chance
Supply side economics, end of the Fairness Doctrine, stock buybacks, Citizens United, and DOGE.
Nothing more than the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, Nazi final solution, Russian Oligarchy, and Handmaid's Tale rolled into one.
Thomas Paine - Common Sense - 1776
As moronic as I think she is, even she knew business people shouldn’t run the gvt. Doing that is what truly caused the hellscape at the end of Atlas Shrugged.
(I never watched the show, but from what clips I've seen of the Apprentice, he wasn't any good at playing one on tv, either)
and running a business are opposite
unregulated capitalism leads to THIS
not compatable with democracy
especially when you try to run it with kompromat traitors who ran casinos into the ground and filed for bankruptcy six times.
"art of the steal"
It may not be constitutionally supported, but it can send a collective message.
https://chng.it/CRnWhh9kRk
We must turn the tables!
Serving in Congress and in the White House is about “serving” the American people and not VICE VERSA!
Same with “understanding” who are our ALLIES… and who are our ENEMIES! Russia is not an ALLY!
A business is supposed to make a profit for the CEO/president. Employees are supposed to obey and contribute to profits.
Government is supposed to protect and provide citizens.
When a business man tries to govern, his mentality is to see citizens as employees.
trump HATES America ..
It’s GREED!
I think we can put the men are better leaders to bed too
Competencies matter
Running a country requires competences
There is none now
Government is a service; business is a money-making enterprise. Totally different purposes.
Anyone who lacks civic-mindedness and a concern for the greatest good for the greatest number has no place in government.
A criminal, a rapist and good friend of Epstein, spending much time on paedophile island.
We need business leaders running govt
Tax cuts for the wealthy will trickle down
Corporations are people
https://www.wired.com/story/startup-nations-donald-trump-legislation/
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/blockchains-wanted-to-build-a-smart-city-the-state-could-not-sign-off-on-its-water-rights%23:~:text%3DIn%2520the%2520months%2520leading%2520up,It%2520already%2520owned%2520ample%2520land.&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwiCmbLVqfyLAxWGOTQIHcN1GwIQFnoECBkQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3xboC2k_7ZS-WcHA8nbY7_
But the people who voted against this and echoing the false narrative of “ a bad debate “ are idiots.
What more could they have done, except the MAGA was continuing Russia’s false narrative in a fake impeachment inquiry.
The Hunter, hunter, thing. So he would not change the DOJ. Remember …
Labor, manufacturing, energy production, vaccine distribution
👇
“He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
This statement allows Trump to move forward, uninterrupted, PERIOD
Abuse of Power and Dictator.
Meaning, watch America plummet with Trump and the Wealthy at the helm, or we all do the same as Trump, Citizen Retribution is to save our funded programs going to the Wealthy.
America is under attack by the Wealthy.