I wish someone out there would do a seven hour video about FFXI's influence on the broader design consensus of the past 20yrs, because its influence is vast and often understated. People tend to draw a line between XI and XII but Xenoblade's combat (and Very Large World) is essentially a carbon copy - ThreadSky

ohpoorpup.bsky.social • 25 days ago

I wish someone out there would do a seven hour video about FFXI's influence on the broader design consensus of the past 20yrs, because its influence is vast and often understated. People tend to draw a line between XI and XII but Xenoblade's combat (and Very Large World) is essentially a carbon copy

Comments

loonacross.bsky.social•25 days ago

Not to mention it precedes Souls-likes in reputation as harsh games supported by a robust internal logic that gives players many ways to tackle challenges.

ohpoorpup.bsky.social•25 days ago

basically, I want XI to get a bit more credit than it does. I really do loathe XIV as a play experience but *also* the overwhelming sentiment that it is "the Good final fantasy MMO" and XI is "the Boring final fantasy MMO" is extremely backwards

krisknigge.bsky.social•25 days ago

It’s also fascinating just how much XI informs… every single anime that’s set in the world of an MMO or features an MMO. Its influence is huge and I feel like folks who haven’t played it don’t recognize it.

ohpoorpup.bsky.social•25 days ago

YES! it has a really singular uhhhhhh let's say "twee?" rustic fantasy thing going on

thesl.bsky.social•25 days ago

I actually feel like Xenoblade 1 and the original version of XIV have a lot of convergent evolution coming off of XI too. Interface even looked pretty much the same at the time.

ohpoorpup.bsky.social•25 days ago

XIV 1.0 was borne out of an attempt to build a new FFXI client for the PS3, so yeah it totally shares a lot of DNA with XI!

brendanlh.bsky.social•24 days ago

BIG agree. I think one of the big factors behind that sentiment is that people who don't play FFXI assume its gameplay and design are identical to FFXIV 1.0 and is, therefore, "bad and boring."

(tho I think XIV 1.0's design had more potential than it gets credit for, issues aside.).

loonacross.bsky.social•24 days ago

That whole concept of progressing on a crafting vlass with the Parlay mini-game system instead of combat was interesting... alas...

ffmeryll.bsky.social•25 days ago

Most people who didn't play XI think it is just "XIV but older and less good", while they're in fact both completely different kinds of MMOs

ohpoorpup.bsky.social•25 days ago

(Also, Monster Hunter is literally "FFXI+PSO+Action game")

systinya.bsky.social•24 days ago

I suddenly remembered that FFXI is the reason for Discord's existence as well.

https://gamerant.com/discord-final-fantasy-11-development/

razzledazzlehyah.bsky.social•25 days ago

A little brought up thing is that FFXI never stopped making them money. At least up until 2010, there were over a dozen servers with 2k players at peak times of the day. I suspect they used the money to make FFXII and FFXIV, and that's why they share so many similarities in monster design.

dark-sakul.bsky.social•25 days ago

You can have a 3 hour documentary on just the similarities between FF XI and FF XIV and how XI influenced XIV.
And that's not even considering Dawn Trail.

razzledazzlehyah.bsky.social•25 days ago

At one point, the ongoing rumor was that FFXI would act as a portal to your character in FFXIV where you would keep your legacy progress and mog house, which people figured was why the races in FFXIV were carbon copies of the races in FFXI.

alahftel.bsky.social•24 days ago

I think FFXI in general is a masterclass of a game that wanted to be a persistent world more than it wanted to be a game, which is a design philosophy that FFXIV still upholds to some degree.

Comments

Posting Rules

Reply