It’s just weird to argue the meaning of a word that more or less exists in the surface lexicon of every casual english speaker in this country. How many gazillion gazillion examples should i provide showing gradations of “ban” exist before you surrender this hill? - ThreadSky

dell.bsky.social • 45 days ago

It’s just weird to argue the meaning of a word that more or less exists in the surface lexicon of every casual english speaker in this country.

How many gazillion gazillion examples should i provide showing gradations of “ban” exist before you surrender this hill?

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bubbaprog.lol•45 days ago

I've never used it as an app, personally, though I may be the only person on earth who only uses it through the web

alecmuffett.bsky.social•45 days ago

Censorship is an irregular verb.

*They* censor free expression

*We* mitigate national security risks inherent in foreign-owned applications

https://alecmuffett.com/article/110856

dell.bsky.social•45 days ago

if you have to resort to metaphor to explain why a 3-letter word spoken millions of times each day means only what you say you’ve lost the fucking plot. try a different angle.

nerdy.es•45 days ago

Dell… you are on the verge of a Shadow Ban.

But don’t worry, it’s not what you think.

dell.bsky.social•45 days ago

It sounds kinda cozy

nerdy.es•45 days ago

Sure… like a padded cell.

Gotta tell ya the last 4 weeks have been surreal… and not “Dali-like”, but rather “accidental-ayahuasca-journey-with-Kafka-as-my-Virgil-like”.

Quite the time to be a journalist, friend.

Keep doing yeoman’s work, lord knows we are going to need it.

🙌

johnpanzer.com•45 days ago

If you "ban" a newspaper, nobody can read it.
Here, if you "ban" TikTok, everybody who currently subscribes to it (has the app) can keep using it, it's just that they can't get new users/send updates to users.
These two uses of "ban" are not the same.

peopledied2vote.bsky.social•45 days ago

The app is going dark.

johnpanzer.com•45 days ago

Well, TikTok is blocking US users, presumably, and not wanting to work around US servers being turned off (you do not need US servers to serve US users, but it sounds like they're going the compliance route.)

https://bsky.app/profile/amyhoy.bsky.social/post/3lfyq5bghxo2j

asseenoncctv.bsky.social•45 days ago

ah i guess it's ineffective then, they shouldn't have passed it

amyhoy.bsky.social•45 days ago

that’s not how it’s gonna work out. there were all kinds of potential penalties involved and tiktok said they will shut down the US servers (already mandated by previous legal action - and that one seemed reasonable). it’s too risky to keep operating in this legal climate for them.

johnpanzer.com•45 days ago

OK. That wasn't obvious from the public reporting, I may have missed it.

hsi.tv•45 days ago

Tiktok is a service. You essentially have a client on your phone. It is not peer-to-peer. Tiktok hosts all the videos, user account info, and the algo. When the service stops, it's over. The carnival closed.

hsi.tv•45 days ago

Cisco and Akamai are not going to continue to host tiktok and be outside of the law, no matter what kind a wink and nod Biden gave.

pyrholidon.bsky.social•44 days ago

As it turns out there is more than one way to ban something.

notatiktok.bsky.social•45 days ago

"It's not a ban, it's just a legal shakedown and existential fine pointed at any company that provides logistics for our newspapers because we hate their speech, but the few paper boys that are on staff will surely support the same distribution network as normal!"

johnpanzer.com•45 days ago

Sigh. OK. The main point is that it's the fucking Internet, and that you have to go after chokepoints that are under the jurisdiction of the US to make the "ban" effective. The app stores are easy. TikTok famously isn't primarily hosted in the US, though they do use various US based companies'

johnpanzer.com•45 days ago

services and the government could go after them... but ALL those services are fungible and TikTok could switch if they wanted to fight this.

Instead, they're turning everything off voluntarily. Or they're saying they will. But ok, a "ban".

notatiktok.bsky.social•45 days ago

That depends heavily on how much the DOJ wants to press its luck that it can convince 9 tech illiterate justices that CDNs fall under the definitions, or how spooked the infrastructure layer companies gets with this clown show.

https://bsky.app/profile/pwnallthethings.bsky.social/post/3lfyfmq4kb22n

notatiktok.bsky.social•45 days ago

You know full well preventing any updates will cause mobile apps to wither and die as bugs, 3rd party library dependencies, and security defects will chip away at it until it's unusable. And don't get started on CDNs since that's in the air.

junknown.bsky.social•45 days ago

It's a ban, but it's about a software program, which, Franklin etc. notwithstanding , is not particularly settled. I am very big on free speech but data mining is the other side of it, and people seem to be dangerously clueless about it. Weaponized propaganda is toppling governments. What now?

jefe.bsky.social•45 days ago

People can use the word “ban” in headlines, all the law does is make it illegal to make available in an App Store to download, it does nothing for installed apps.

dell.bsky.social•45 days ago

cool. i don’t have that app tho.

herse182.bsky.social•44 days ago

Incorrect the platform is going dark in the US even if installed already

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/17/tech/tiktok-getting-banned-trump-biden/index.html

jefe.bsky.social•44 days ago

TikTok is choosing to do that. The law isn’t making them. It’s a pro-Trump stunt.

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