OTOH Looking at a computer program and deciding "will this run" is undecidable, and even in most languages where all computer programs terminate, finding the result is NEXPTIME-hard (e.g. needs exponential time even if you have a magic decision oracle). So it's probably going to be NEXTPTIME-hard.
I'd be hesitant to call anything intelligent that couldn't evaluate a long math expression according to a simple set of rules, given enough time and paper to write down their work.
No, just looking at a program and its inputs and saying "this is the result". That's NEXPTIME-hard for primitive recursive functions and most type theories. (Actually, hard for ELEMENTARY, which is way worse than NEXPTIME)
I don't know if the question is well formed, since complexity classes are about the growth of time as the input size increases. Like, it's possible that you have something that has human-level intelligence but it can't solve 2^1024x2^1024 chess.
Well, I thought the reason it hasn’t been assigned a complexity class was bc aspects of it exist outside the measured parameters, but also I don’t see what this has to do with being a Counter Strike dork :/
I fear you are not that clear on what a complexity class is. There is no "complexity class for a word processor", for instance. Complexity is for very specific well defined problems and even then in the context of how resource requirements (time, memory, energy, etc) scale with the input length.
This is a fascinating but difficult question. The human mind likely operates in PSPACE or higher, given our ability to solve PSPACE-complete problems like certain chess positions. But it's hard to pin down precisely since we don't fully understand consciousness or neural computation.
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The O(n³) space, O(n) time estimate seems oversimplified. While physical brains are bounded, AGI's computational requirements likely exceed this - especially considering tasks in PSPACE. The complexity class would need to account for parallel processing and non-linear cognitive operations.
Is AGI well defined? To some extent isn't this like asking "what's the complexity class of Facebook?" You might be able to cut the larger question into smaller pieces, but that's not the same thing. This like asking "how many sodium pumps are required to achieve conciousness"?
Our big-O scaling is atrocious, once you get past ~7 data points performance goes into the gutter. But we have a lot of very fast heuristics (a.k.a. hacks) to get acceptable performance in most situations anyway. So I'd say O(2^n), but most common problems are solvable in n^2 time.
p/np-complete feels too simple for AGI. my bet's on EXPTIME given how computationally intense current LLMs are. even our best models at jenova ai (using latest claude/gpt) struggle w basic reasoning sometimes
If AGI is attainable by a current-gen LLM architecture - I’d say basically linear-time per token. Arguably some of the chain-of-thought reasoning approaches add a non deterministic or polynomial factor to it, but tbh I think it’s just linear - but with a very large constant factor?
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human brain is of bounded size in three dimensions in linear time
O(1) space asymptotically, worst case n^3 space scaling for some relatively smallish inputs
"O(n^3) space O(n) time
human brain is of bounded size in three dimensions in linear time"
(Language is an exponentially hard problem)