The relevant fact about Nazis is that they rather famously did not *start out* committing genocide and starting wars, but it *was* the natural endpoint of their stated goals. - ThreadSky

chriswarcraft.bsky.social • 1 day ago

The relevant fact about Nazis is that they rather famously did not *start out* committing genocide and starting wars, but it *was* the natural endpoint of their stated goals.

Reposted from Judd Legum

Elon Musk says that as long as you aren't "committing genocide and starting wars" you are "not a Nazi"

www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-te...

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stirfrygirl.bsky.social•1 day ago

They are already passing genocidal anti-trans bills in the red states and committing eliminationist acts of genocide against transgender women in federal custody.

oldeluke.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah, nothing wrong with their fascist, racist mannerisms or their fashion with literal f*cking skulls on them 🙄

krappslasttape.bsky.social•1 day ago

No, that was always the clear plan, stated multiple times after 1923 by Hitler. They just held off acting on the plan until they'd duped Hindenburg and gained power because by doing so the timing better suited their needs.

quijohn.bsky.social•1 day ago

You know, pointing out that you haven’t invaded Poland to prove you’re not a Nazi feels like you’ve already lost the argument

imagin8ion.bsky.social•1 day ago

haven't invaded poland YET*

😕

sunnyhippies.bsky.social•1 day ago

My grandparents fled Poland in 1932

ryd34lyf3.bsky.social•1 day ago

Well one thing's for sure... Nobody questions Leon musk's bona fides when it comes to being a Nazi. What a time to be alive.

secretlynora.bsky.social•1 day ago

Here's the sad thing Chris: They already are. Any laws restricting a trans person's access to gender affirming care is tantamount to genocide because that is what we NEED. I can't even begin to describe, as a trans person, not having access to it.

chriswarcraft.bsky.social•1 day ago

Oh for sure, there why I’m explicitly calling out their attacks on the trans community and their attempts to erase trans people in every interview I do. It’s where the Nazis started as well

secretlynora.bsky.social•1 day ago

And I appreciate you doing so. Wish more popular voices were taking the stance instead of letting "journalist" rags shove us under the bus.

michaelanes.bsky.social•1 day ago

And the massive cuts to social security will obviously affect disability insurance; just our modern hands-off T4 program.

no-one.bsky.social•1 day ago

He doesn't understand Mars, rockets, cars, money, the Internet, Nazism... Is there anything he actually DOES have a fundamental grasp on?

jparrott80.bsky.social•1 day ago

Ketamine

pepcid88.bsky.social•23 hours ago

From the fElon that is currently starving thousands of the poorest people on earth

greenbeam.bsky.social•1 day ago

That fuck knows exactly what he is.

citizen-steve.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah, let's not be hasty! It can't hurt to wait until we actually see some genocide occurring. Wouldn't want to risk being unfair just to spare a few lives

awesomebot3000.bsky.social•1 day ago

welp

bethefire.bsky.social•1 day ago

Further evidence that President Musk is beyond stupid. And beyond evil.

hypothicate.bsky.social•22 hours ago

They literally just set up an extrajudicial concentration camp.

anyoneforbaileys.bsky.social•1 day ago

Ignorance isn’t an excuse!

itwasagoodrun.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah they aren’t wearing armbands or specifically invading Poland! They’re just unilaterally and systematically tearing apart the country’s foundations to further an isolationist agenda. Totally nothing like Nazis.

crosis101.bsky.social•1 day ago

The last day I have to hear Elon’s stupid uneducated opinions will be a day long remembered…

msm6794.bsky.social•1 day ago

Seemed they started out by weakening the system and inflicting fear.

googergieger.bsky.social•1 day ago

Elon Musk

https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI?si=MwAaw9xatpk-wlqV

prey.net•1 day ago

He could at least admit that he's a Nazi sympathizer, but he's more than that.

peteanarch.bsky.social•1 day ago

Sure Elon. Whatever you say...

#billionaireclass
#fascism

tassja.bsky.social•1 day ago

the perennial argument that it doesnt count until theyve managed to do it, and so many people nod along.

dcharlie.bsky.social•1 day ago

Musk is screaming that he's a bog standard chud on the daily

molacomba.bsky.social•16 hours ago

And he’s wrong anyway. Genocide does not define Nazism. If it did, there would be Nazi places all over the world. Russia, darfur & sudan, Turkey….

molacomba.bsky.social•16 hours ago

osiris-white.bsky.social•1 day ago

Dear lord, this statement shows a deep and unrepairable lack of understanding about who Nazis are and why they are bad. It's like he's arguing that the Nazi party didn't exist until they started up the war? Like Hitler magically appeared at the front of the blitzkrieg one fateful morning. JFC.

ronchica.bsky.social•1 day ago

Medicaid cuts are a step to eliminate the disabled. The poor elderly and disabled.

Eliminating programs that coordinate health (like TB vaccinations USAID) for the world, without notice, are also mass murder.

Not everyone can be fooled like MAGA Americans.

renkadima.bsky.social•1 day ago

And they did start out by dismantling the government and eliminating opposition.

scoundrel2.bsky.social•1 day ago

uh, nope, you're a nazi

kris10.bsky.social•1 day ago

Like they just tripped and fell into some genocide. Whoops!

wernherneumann.bsky.social•1 day ago

We surveyed historians on the question: "Did Nazism start on Sep 1, 1939?"

Yes: 0%
No: 100%
Why would you even ask this: Also 100%

wernherneumann.bsky.social•1 day ago

Musk: "Everything up to September 1, 1939 was fine!"

emilysenefeld.bsky.social•1 day ago

it seems like he kind of is starting wars and will cause millions of people to die if he takes away their insurance

everocks.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yes. First they came for people like me. First they came for trans people.

Having a BA in history, is not always the best for my peace of mind …

chriswarcraft.bsky.social•1 day ago

I have a double major in history and poli-sci and I do NOT like living in interesting times

everocks.bsky.social•1 day ago

Neither do I honey.

Sending you love and light. 🏳️‍⚧️

bathory1971.bsky.social•1 day ago

I take it your history is US history?

everocks.bsky.social•14 hours ago

That is a ludicrous comment.

History is the patterns of human behavior, and as a person who has studied war history, I have to understand both sides.

Anyone who is unaware of the events of Nazi Germany, may not see the parallels that are so glaringly evident to a historian .

bathory1971.bsky.social•14 hours ago

More ways then one does it synch up.

chriswarcraft.bsky.social•1 day ago

Primarily US, Mexico, and the 1930-1975 period of time both there and globally (based on specific memories I haven’t thought of in literal decades), but also studied enough to know what’s happening here is just the latest in a long line of global atrocities

everocks.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I grew up in Canada. But I studied both world, wars, and the Vietnam conflict. In incredible depth.

I’m also a naturalized US citizen so I am very aware of our history

Chris, you don’t owe anyone an explanation. You are killing it.

Sending love and light! 🏳️‍⚧️

bathory1971.bsky.social•1 day ago

It is..I am mainly Medieval-Victorian European Period!

He reminds me of Henry VIII!

Is you comic by chance on Kindle?

everocks.bsky.social•14 hours ago

The parallels with Mr. Trump and evil persons through history are clear to see. I’m glad that you have a frame of reference.

Medieval history and Victorian era are always fascinating. I remember I once wrote a paper from the first person point of view about criminal subculture in Victorian England.

askariali.bsky.social•15 hours ago

Check out Operation Paperclip and it will shed a lot of light in the ugliest of places. The American state isn't what you think.

theultrasecret.bsky.social•1 day ago

Resting the limbo bar upon Mt. Everest.

eternaleyeroll.bsky.social•1 day ago

Even if one accepts their ludicrous premise, the Nazis absolutely did start out by crushing dissent, disappearing political opponents, and outlawing the Jews. So yeah, no gas chambers in the beginning, just a brutal dictatorship.

roller75.bsky.social•1 day ago

Musk rat is a Nazi and a coward!

loquaciousjenny.bsky.social•1 day ago

Bro mansplaining about Nazi's "erm acktchewally the problem with Nazi's isn't the racism and xenophobia, it's the war 🤓"

gilliancarrin.bsky.social•1 day ago

@wannseekonferenz.bsky.social - you may be interested?

mellie68.bsky.social•1 day ago

That is exactly correct!

debinrst.bsky.social•1 day ago

I absolutely did not have on my bingo card that a former NFL football player would be one of the most eloquent and effective messengers in this fight. Thank you Chris.

chriswarcraft.bsky.social•1 day ago

I was a nerd and sci-fi fantasy dweeb long before I was a football player :)

bathory1971.bsky.social•1 day ago

And we are thankful you are who you are! I hope all of your family is behind you or next to you!

maceesage.bsky.social•1 day ago

JFC this moron is going to get people killed and couldn’t be more cavalier about it.

meanyspetrini.bsky.social•1 day ago

People may be judged on their beliefs AND actions. So if your beliefs align with Nazis, you are also a Nazi.

"I'd like to exterminate an entire group of people, but I'm afraid of what people will think" will eventually progress to you trying to do so unless someone actively stops you.

sunnytoes.bsky.social•1 day ago

Also, the mistake is made in thinking this current version will look and play out like the 1940’s. It won’t, but the endgame, as you say, is likely the same goal.

always4bangtan.bsky.social•1 day ago

There it is.

always4bangtan.bsky.social•1 day ago

📌

angecat.bsky.social•1 day ago

i think this is what historians refer to as "the Nuremberg defence." Didn't work out very well for them either

valeriefreeland.bsky.social•14 hours ago

What most people don't know about genocide is that it would never happen at all if ordinary, usually good-ish people didn't actively participate. It takes a long, long grooming process, and as a scholar of political violence, I called out significant signs in 2015. And I believe I was late.

jedigarcia.bsky.social•23 hours ago

He croaks out "fashion," but can't remember, "fascism."

The whole christofascist white supremacist thing that invariably leads to (or made an excuse for) the wars of conquest & genocide he lies about opposing.

puppettron.bsky.social•1 day ago

so, what he's saying is that they didn't become the nazis until they'd been nazis for well over a decade but now started wars and genocide.

islandwarlock.bsky.social•1 day ago

Arguably, the GOP is about to do genocide (‘clearing out’ Gaza) and start wars (sending troops into Mexico and/or Greenland) so even by Musk’s standards, we might get there

joanjon222.bsky.social•1 day ago

Muskrat is insane

squeakpurple.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Beliefs inspires actions. His beliefs is shuttering USAID which is causing mass deaths of Africans.

swordpunk.bsky.social•11 hours ago

He also might want to consult what the UN's definition of genocide actually is before making that claim.

andantonius.bsky.social•1 day ago

Even with that caveat, this administration is committing genocides and starting wars. What is his point?

lisastr.bsky.social•17 hours ago

We are committing genocide and starting wars. So there’s that.

oiseaux831.bsky.social•1 day ago

So what? Most of what Musk says is shit.

goldprofit.bsky.social•1 day ago

Racist are some of the most polite and nicest people I've talked to. That's how they do it, they lure you in with kindness and slowly plant their seeds in your mind. Some notice it way too late and sucked into the lifestyle and before long it's the only thing they know.

ljturtle.bsky.social•1 day ago

I just wish musk would wear a suit. 😏😏

adammeyerson.bsky.social•1 day ago

Maybe something by Hugo Boss?

imagin8ion.bsky.social•1 day ago

*currently reading a memoir written in 1939 by someone who grew up in Germany*

Relevant af.

sunnyhippies.bsky.social•1 day ago

Have you seen the black army stuff?

robin-debowler.bsky.social•1 day ago

No Elon you just have to be a t**t like you. Its not the actions its the thoughts morals and ethics.

oh sorry, can someone explain morals and ethics to Elon, he clearly doesn't understand why he has pissed everyone off.

thomasgorinweijmer.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's like saying you cannot be a fascist unless you march on Rome.

servergeek.bsky.social•1 day ago

These guys really need to a) get some therapy, and b) crack open a history book.

big-mac-daddy.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yes, deportation was their original plan! But after they started wars with everyone, it became too impractical, so they sought a different solution, one might say a “Final” one.

Is Musk ignorant of history, or is he trying to rewrite it for plausible deniability?

chriswarcraft.bsky.social•1 day ago

Both? Both.

big-mac-daddy.bsky.social•1 day ago

Ha! Yes. Fascists mingle idiocy with hate and dishonesty. It’s the only thing they do efficiently.

abfabkat.bsky.social•17 hours ago

Naziism (sp? or is it even a word?) is a state of mind not a laundry list of atrocities executed.

mjf63.bsky.social•1 day ago

Sorry-if you’re promoting white supremacy and eugenics like Elon does-you’re a Nazi.

forlionsforrest.bsky.social•1 day ago

So, as long as you’re not killing. By this irrational leap the ghettos, appropriation (stealing) and de-humanization is fine. What a jack a$$.

sunnyhippies.bsky.social•1 day ago

I’m a Jewish male my grandparents fled Hitler in 1932. They left Poland and went to Pittsburgh Pennsylvania.

sunnyhippies.bsky.social•1 day ago

NO BLACK ARMY

bryanharvey.bsky.social•1 day ago

Fashion and mannerisms also played an important part in the Nazi project.

j-oarchiere.bsky.social•1 day ago

mcnutcase.bsky.social•1 day ago

That much logic-chopping to be able to say "technically I'm not a Nazi" is absolutely a sign that he knows he's a Nazi.

estarianne.bsky.social•1 day ago

But he doesn't plan to invade Poland, only Canada!

teri15.bsky.social•1 day ago

Removing Medicaid, making food unaffordable, son taking away Medicare and Social Security, eliminating access to vaccines (coming soon with flu shots), etc… is genocide.

teri15.bsky.social•1 day ago

*soon

mrdobalina.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not to mention he *is* committing acts of genocide with all the USAID cutoffs so, yeah. He pretty much fits that bill, too.

badubs.bsky.social•1 day ago

So if you are supporting people who are invading a country adjacent to Poland and those people are committing genocide, does that make you a Nazi sympathizer? Just checking his level of self-awareness here.

thebystander99.bsky.social•1 day ago

First, anyone parsing through what’s “bad” and “not bad” about Nazis is already Nazi-adjacent. But more to the point, what made someone a Nazi was very simple: they supported the Nazi party. That’s it. So if MAGA is a Nazi movement, and you’re a MAGA political appointee in this gov’t, you’re a Nazi

rmbloom.bsky.social•1 day ago

Funny thing. That’s exactly what they’re doing! They jumped right to it.

vivekr.bsky.social•1 day ago

Many Americans want to go back to not having to think about the finer points of Nazis several times a day, and throwing the MAGA bums out is the only way to get there.

self-evidenttruths.bsky.social•1 day ago

How F'd up is this....? Historical ignorance is still ignorance.
Every red state maga dude should get an earful from their vet friends & relatives who actually made the sacrifice to fight and rid the war of fascists. & Who built the freedom they now take for granted & cheer Trump selling to Putin.

billythiex.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Idk, seems like he's trying to kill off Americans.

dkdk0323.bsky.social•1 day ago

This self-appointed Genius is a fucking moron! 🙄

graymattersrep.bsky.social•1 day ago

Exactly.
https://bsky.app/profile/graymattersrep.bsky.social/post/3ljg4zini6k2a

adammeyerson.bsky.social•1 day ago

Ummmm clearing out Gaza and taking Greenland by force sound to me like genocide and starting wars.

malcopeando.bsky.social•1 day ago

***”it wasn’t their fashion or their mannerisms”…. that’s fucking terrifying

chriswarcraft.bsky.social•1 day ago

Hugo Boss and Wagner have entered the chat

julesrocks64.bsky.social•1 day ago

Israel and the US are doing just this in Gaza. I won’t shed a tear when the Arab states decide to wipe them out. The Israeli people need to snap out of it and get rid of Satanyahoo, same
with the American people with Drumpf, Bowman, Vance or…Also, Elon Musk is the immigrant stealing your jobs.

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