Some advice to the doom and gloom crowd who wanna speedrun straight to armed rebellion/dystopic hoarding - if I can’t trust you to show up to city council meetings and give public comment, what the fuck makes you think I’m going to trust you with a weapon at my back?
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So… maybe try this one again.
Could you do one for "If I can't trust you to wear a mask to protect vulnerable people in essential public places like hospitals, pharmacies, grocery stores, transit, etc..."?
Thanks!
Chris
If I can’t trust you to show the bare minimum when it comes to protecting vulnerable people by wearing a mask, why the fuck would I trust you with a gun?
After all, masks have been proven to be somewhat effective in achieving their stated goals.
We are fighting with you and for you!
Hugs to you
You play your part and others will play theirs. The point is to show up in person and together
I'm Canadian and I see Americans say, everyday, if the US invades Canada they'll fight on our side. I'm like, bruh, I won't hold my breath waiting on you, you won't even fight on your own side. Then they get mad at me. 🤷
But if tyranny/fascism are truly here then stop telling me to put down my gun.
But the left is also very anti gun, at a very bad time. Important for ppl to see.
But, I think the left is relearning that govt can be bad, and self protection, communal defense, an armed left to counter a violent armed right, might be important.
I get your point, I truly do, but a key part of organizing people is that they have to want to do the thing, and there are people who would crawl through the mud, strapped with a loaded gun, in the rain, rather than sit quietly and politely until it's their turn to speak.
And some beers, probably.
Throw in White Claw, everybody likes those.
Whose side are all the branches of the US Military going to take in your revolution? Do you think the US Military is just going to sit on the sidelines and watch?🤔
Activism and community involvement need to take precedence over internet fever dreams.
Holy f*ck.
Y'all, please stop being stupid!
I'm going to buy what's necessary.
I don't think a suppressor is necessary unless I'm planning to learn long-distance marksmanship.
I'd have to be doing better financially before that's even remotely feasible.
I thought use the book club model, meet once/month at town council, get your faces known, get together discuss and then start to assert for the good
1: The extremists who want to jump straight to last resort. I can see the appeal, but it is reckless and if we did that now it would be doomed to fail.
2: The exact opposite, fearing/disdaining rebellion to the point of being complicit with fascism.
If I didn't have kids and was independently wealthy my tactics would be different.
But right now I have a mother in a home with dementia, a mother in law with a brain tumor.
Please forgive me if I don't give a fuck about your city council meeting
They're the people who have already moved past that point in their praxis and political education
I have a little altar with the remains of dead friends and comrades who were murdered standing up to those white supremacists.
They weren't doomers or hoarders, but they weren't exactly "sign a petition" city council attendees either
Long since given up hope for support on bail funds, legal defense funds, medical expenses, etc. for the people who are resisting on the ground in their own way.
At the same time, it's important not to conflate doomerism with people who have realized that direct action often exerts more leverage than electoral politics as usual.
I still disagree with the overall point but seems clear from the context he's not saying it's the only valid praxis
You made me stop and think about history and was has been the most effective method and you're right, we have to get out there protest, show up for those meetings, I need to look at ours
-someone who just likes them.
But some folks have been doing this a while and things aren’t getting better
And sometimes asking isn’t enough and you just have to punch a Nazi
peaceful resistance is the way.
Always the rabble-rousers, never with the “rabble” when the going gets tough.
I think local politics is important still tho.
Can I get a note from you to give to management letting me take off work with pay?
My larger point is that there are some people who really are best used (and they know it) as "Face Front Towards Enemy" and well... we're getting awfully close to that point. It takes all kinds.
OTOH, guns will have definite effects, but the bad ones may outweigh the good.
I have played spot the Fed at too many conventions
You need to listen more.
based on this comment, i wouldn't be convinced - the process of revolution would be far worse than anything the average american has ever seen
I think we can know, from history, what revolutions look like.
and if we understand the stakes, we can only conclude that it's necessary, including the suffering, etc.
also, natural disasters with no government assistance is worse than revolution, so
what revolutions are you thinking of that weren't as horrific as a natural disaster?
China was a civil war not simply a revolutionary putsch, Soviet Union was similarly founded during civil war.
but civil war isn't necessary for revolution, and it's likely that it wouldn't be as drastic because the US would balkanize immediately.
You don't know shit lol
Medicine? Food? Basic tools? Survival books? Nah, they just need their cell phone, bro. There's lessons on YouTube.
I did say I'm really ambivalent About violence as a solution....
What I said was if I can’t trust you with the small shit, then I’m sure as fuck not trusting you when it comes to real shit.
But a whole lot of people on the left want to disarm...the left...while people get snatched off the street.
Peaceful protests/calling legislators is #1 priority. The other is a firewall. Both are important.
But my point also stands. We should not be disarming on the left right now.
We should be using peaceful means until that is exhausted.
If it comes to that - we're all fucked. Way more than we already are.
Seriously enough to shoot you instead, but… It is effective.... 🤔
No, these days I DON'T know which side of shooting MAGAts deader than Hell I'm on.
Just remember, it's all Trump's fault!
An enormous screaming mob outside the window will definitely discourage those trying to feed you the shit sandwich...
Chuck Schumer? Not so much...
They see no mob= they assume your tacit acceptance=No influence.
Simple and low risk.
The depth of her reasoning errors & lack of knowledge was great.
Effective movements against fascist monsters always have a threat of violence that actually forced the revolution.
She ignored the real powers at work.
It was a case of classic confirmation bias.
The gospel of the inhabitants of the Island of Pali'a'na has become widely entrenched. It is appealing in that it doesn't require much effort.
History loudly begs to differ.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/04/23/2025-06904/improving-performance-accountability-and-responsiveness-in-the-civil-service
Thank you.
What brought about this dystopia?
Any discussion of P25 involves discussion of building local infrastructure. To address that... Blue also needs to be involved in (vote) local infrastructure.
Your city council would need to be doing something drastically antifascist and also be asking you, specifically, for help with that for some weird reason, before spending your time there could be worthwhile.
“Constructive program” (see Wikipedia) in action is ⬇️
https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/opinion/letters/2016/07/04/the-nonviolent-history-american-independence/27546019007/
If you’re not willing to burn bridges, the resistance has no use for you.
But don't worry about it. We're expendable. Cis people won't even notice that we're gone.
Their job is-reframe refocus & rally American against themselves!
Look how many Americans,now for generations, have VOTED AGAINST THEIR OWN ECONOMIC INTERESTS!
What’s the defining variable?
Gutting truth in media!
-U definitely don’t want them behind You with a gun
There is a transnational criminal syndicate currently in our government working hard to destroy USA democracy NOW!
Chuck and Nancy can suck it.
I don't think it's useful or accurate for people to assume cancer is always debilitating or that it's course is predictable or even. I do think ageism and this kind of illness hunting as a means to replace shitting politicians is lame.
If the issue is that these people are old and should be assumed to be too unhealthy to do their jobs based on age, that's also ableism. And ageism.
The Dem elites (The House and Senate) have as MUCH to lose, if this country goes south, as do Repubs. They ALL have their $ pipelines and they are ALL trying to jerk both sides. Make no mistake, outside a VERY small handful, the entire lot of them need to removed!
I'm honestly annoyed at them for not realizing their lives are in danger.
They're going to wake up one day not waking up or in that gulag you mentioned.
I TEMPER what govt. events I go to simply because I know me. If I get into one of these and there's too much "stupid" in the room I might hurt someone. However, I do go to as many as I can.
Let me be clear, I'm one of those you want COVERING your "six."
But I'm still gonna run. Because what we have now isn't doing jack for the citizens of our city, just giving the long-term members some weird sense of power.
Facts:
-Local/municipal election voter turnout is about 20%
-Congressional primary voter turnout is about 18%
-Gerrymandering depends on razor-thin margins and can be easily defeated by higher turnout
We're still at the 3rd.
Let's all stay involved in our local politics, even school boards.