the greatest christmas story ever told uses the threat of dying alone and unmourned to scare a wealthy man straight and i think that’s just really nice
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Too bad such methods are pretty much useless on today’s billionaires.
Morals? Empathy? Solidarity with my fellow human beings? LMFAO what’s that? Only thing that matters is money and power. Other people exist solely to be used and abused.
Honestly a lot of them won the birth lottery and were born into their wealth so they probably never learned to have decency/respect/empathy for others in the first place. Wealth provides a means of avoiding consequences the common man wouldn’t be able to, after all.
Sadly, I have witnessed poor ppl get rich and then forget what it was like to be poor…. So 🤷♀️what happens …my mother, a gold digger, has suffered no consequences so far and she is 86. “She is a despicable human” my therapist
How about a remake: wealthy man dying alone, unmourned, sitting (straining to add the missing "h") on the toilet in his jail cell that he spray-painted gold.
I think A Christmas Carol is only the second greatest, and that It’s a Wonderful Life is the #1 greatest Christmas story ever told (it is also about how much rich people suck)
Scrooge doesn't stop being rich at the end of the story, he becomes a better person. These stories aren't about wealth, but about appreciating and valuing the gift of life!
i disagree. the parable of the rich man and lazarus is a powerful critique of wealth inequality and social injustice, not a tool for moralizing individuals.
nah, that story gave rise to Christians. Those people are such douches. No one’s gonna claim that as the best Christmas story when it also gave birth to the worst group of people
I hope that during this time when we look forward to our Savior's return, you'll consider His words again. All of us, Christians (me) included, deserve condemnation; the point of Christmas is to celebrate God himself coming to earth to save us from it. I hope He calls you too 😄. Merry Christmas!
i disagree. the christmas story you're referring to is actually about the value of kindness, generosity, and compassion towards those in need, not about using fear to manipulate wealth.
But is it enough?
I feel with the modern wealthy it would be few platitudes and promises and then the greed would reassert itself. In fact, when it does, chances are you've convinced yourself to be poorer.
It's funny to me because that's exactly how I will die and what will happen. My wife will mourn for a minute, but I'm more concerned for my dog 🐶
We have lots, but Bunny is the one who'll miss me.
Problem is I don't think many of them would care. Scrooge was shaped by a loveless childhood & only had a sisters love, when she died so did his heart. The filthy rich today are mostly psychopaths channelling their skills short of direct murder. They don't have the empathy to feel the horror of this
If ‘A Christmas Carol’ were written by Republicans today, the ghosts would visit Bob Cratchitt to tell him to work harder for less money so Scrooge could get richer.
Ooh, what if the CEO Shooter had labelled his bullets "Ghost of Christmas Past, Present, and Future" I think that's a nice modern take. Come on kids, let's watch it again... it's tradition.
Not so sure which Christmas story you mean. If you men Constantine's fable about restoring a demon to the head of the Jewish pantheon, I'm not so sure.
There is scholarly consensus that Jesus was a human, which is mutually exclusive with being a demon. Moreover, Judaism is monotheistic--there does not exist a Jewish pantheon. Jews often deny even the Trinity. Constantine didn't invent Christianity, God did.
Constantine was important to Christian history, as the person who created the first time in history where mainstream Christianity wasn't persecuted. Nonetheless, he didn't invent the doctrine--he merely accepted it. The council of Nicea only wrote down what the church had believed for centuries.
But the Council of Trento decided which books made it into the official Bible. So books like the Gospel of Judas or the Gospel of Mary Madelene were cut. He didn't merely accept it he had it edited to give a more consistent message.
It depends on the scholars. But by the way the Elohim are in the Bible in Genesis. Yahweh even had a wife called Asherah. If we're looking at Egyptian equivalents El is Ra, YHWH is Ptah.
All serious Biblical scholars accept that, with a small handful of outliers who believe he may not have existed. No serious Biblical scholar would even consider the possibility that he was some kind of demonic entity as you're imagining.
Jesus, the 'sun' of God. In Judaism El(most high) led the Elohim (the pantheon before Judaism became a monotheism). Ba'El or Baal was abandoned by the ancient Canaanites in favour of YHWH. He became Beelzebub Lord of the Flies (Philistines worshipped Baal). Adam was the 'man' of earth it's metaphor.
Today we have people named "Guy," so that name doesn't immediately imply it was a metaphore. In fact, people to this day have symbolic names--yours comes from instruments. You aren't a metaphore, are you? Elohim are spirits, but they aren't like "gods" in paganism--they're all under the triune God.
Actually, Andrew comes from the Greek for manly. As for the Elohim the "triune God" as you put it is a later concept and the Canaanites, like everyone else barring Akhenaten had a pantheon. Stop making things up and do your homework.
Now that's the Christmas spirit we need right now! Someone get Mariah on the horn, "all I want for Christmas is to terrify the billionaire class" is gonna be a banger!
I'm fine with Live Action Role Playing, as happened the other day on a street in broad daylight, to get them to do what's right. Be scared of posterity, or afraid of being shot like a rabid animal in the street. Whatever works....
Pa-lease don't let me get on my soap box about my favorite Christmas cartoon. Rudolph would be living as a vagabond, strung out, or on Adderall today because good ole dad had a problem with his own son nose being red and deemed him a misfit. Yep. I'm still mad about it. Merry Christmas? Really?😭
The reality is just the opposite in most cases.
Evil rich people are rarely changed by experiences that one might assume should be "transfomative"
I naively hoped that trump getting covid would somehow result in him becoming more understanding of severity of the pandemic.
I was very, very wrong.
It's also highly unrealistic, but that's why it's a fairy tale, after all. The story would have been infinitely better if Scrooge was already dead and his grave was the gateway to hell for being an unrepentant piece of $h!t to his fellow human beings. Or he gets shot in the back, whatever.
Even the wealthy who have lots of people at their funeral are usually only attended out of work obligation, morbid curiosity, a good lunch or the ones who want to know how much they are going to get. Who could ever love a #ParasiteCEO
Thank you very much, I like life, i hate people, you...you, etc. Albert finney made that role I stand by it, but I respect your choice, the 1970's Christmas Carole hot me through some rough times.
XD sorry, I'd go to war to defend that movie XD. I haven't seen the muppets version on probably a decade. May watch it when I watch christmas movie the final couple of days before christmas :D
No; Christianity says that we are all evil and deserve to die and fester in our sin forever--but that God sent His Son to be born and to die and take on all the shame, guilt, and suffering we rightfully deserve--and that if we only trust in Him we will be saved.
My one critique of modern tellings is that too many of them leave out the part where the Ghost of Christmas Present becomes completely done with Scrooge's shit and just starts repeatedly calling him a garbage person until Christmas Future shows up.
A great story yes, but the greatest? The greatest Christmas story is about an East coast detective saving his estranged wife and her coworkers from a band of Eurotrash thieves.
i disagree. that's a misleading interpretation of a parable. the story of the rich man and lazarus is actually a critique of social and economic injustice, not a cautionary tale about the dangers of wealth.
If movie bans start coming up, I could totally see the movie being banned. If your grandchildren are waiting for you to die for financial gain, you've done something horribly wrong lol.
I still can’t get past all the children’s songs we teach our kids. Have u ever thought about some of these.For example:
Ring around a rosey about death and a funeral
Rock a bye baby.. when the wind blows the cradle will fall .. out of a damn tree!
Uhh… tell me again.. why?
Dickens did a wonderful job of demonstrating our inability to serve two masters, and how easily people forget their own past in pursuit of power. The 1951 version of course is the best adaptation.
It is wild to me that we have gotten to the point where human kindness and respect are a rarity in online spaces. I’m finding this app a pleasure in so many ways. 🩷🩷
The second greatest Christmas story ever told says that if the working class have faith in each other and move in collective solidarity they can defeat wealthy bigots... and also Irish angels are anti-suicide lol
It's sad to hear you have so much hate that you'd pre-emptively celebrate the death of a mere sleazy politician. I dislike him as much as the next person, but cheering for his death goes a bit far--doesn't it?
I wouldn't be cheering to satisfy my personal hatred. It would be in celebration for the prevention of the harm that he would otherwise cause to the entire world.
Trump is a harmful politician to be fair. I hope his administration will be nearly entirely replaced when he gets canned in four years, and that I'll be celebrating right alongside you 😄
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Morals? Empathy? Solidarity with my fellow human beings? LMFAO what’s that? Only thing that matters is money and power. Other people exist solely to be used and abused.
Our current society encourages self-interest and profit over morality and it shows.
they mean that kid
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The Great Destroyer (The Ballad Of Elon Musk)
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Sad.
(The abridged reading by Patrick Stewart is awful, he should really admit as such).
I feel with the modern wealthy it would be few platitudes and promises and then the greed would reassert itself. In fact, when it does, chances are you've convinced yourself to be poorer.
We have lots, but Bunny is the one who'll miss me.
The ghosts would collectively...completely erase him from existence.
"Thank You Very Much", apparently in Scrooge (1970), not Muppets lol
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Evil rich people are rarely changed by experiences that one might assume should be "transfomative"
I naively hoped that trump getting covid would somehow result in him becoming more understanding of severity of the pandemic.
I was very, very wrong.
Dawson, did you give him that pledge sheet?"
Employees being forced to sign a pledge that denounces threats of violence against c-level, but you, not so much.
Ring around a rosey about death and a funeral
Rock a bye baby.. when the wind blows the cradle will fall .. out of a damn tree!
Uhh… tell me again.. why?
Like he'd care.
He's rich.
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