a reminder: if you are on a federal grand jury, there is no probable cause. if you are on a federal jury, the defendant is innocent. - ThreadSky

theophite.bsky.social • 1 day ago

a reminder: if you are on a federal grand jury, there is no probable cause. if you are on a federal jury, the defendant is innocent.

Reposted from LAISSEZ LES BON QUESO ROULER

They own DOJ and are clearing out every attorney with an ethical bone in their body.

They have a US Attorney in D.C. ready to prosecute political enemies.

They have Kash Patel, who is a first order thug.

Democratic electeds and former officials are going to spend time in jail.

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silverknyaz.bsky.social•1 day ago

why do people not realize that you literally cannot find a federal grand jury that will go for this? this isn't going to happen

tysasi.bsky.social•1 day ago

Well, yeah, not today, but grand juries keep getting empaneled and it wouldn't be proper banana republic if the dictator wasn't able to apply his tiny thumb to the scales.

silverknyaz.bsky.social•1 day ago

but we aren't going to be a proper banana republic and this is why! go huff your doomium someplace else.

tysasi.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't know about you, but I don't think that realizing that the short-fingered vulgarian is very likely to overreach is doomerism. A soviet-style show trial will piss a /lot/ of people off, /including/ wishy-washy republicans and the armed forces.

Let them make their fatal mistakes.

silverknyaz.bsky.social•1 day ago

Then you should clarify you think it's overreach that will fail. Because too many people are acting like it won't fail and it's fucking impossible to tell which is which anymore.

tysasi.bsky.social•1 day ago

I hope my followup cleared things up for you?

(sarcasm on the internet is difficult, particularly when it's delivered gleefully, and I'm sorry that I was unclear.)

carbonriver.bsky.social•1 day ago

How though? It isn't like the dictator has detailed files on all the people on the jury and their families, including their individual tax returns to blackmail them with...oh wait...

theophite.bsky.social•1 day ago

why is any of that any more useful than a gun

silverknyaz.bsky.social•1 day ago

none of it is going to work this is all a fucking joke

carbonriver.bsky.social•1 day ago

That is what makes the cowardly acts of the media and advertisers in the face of these shakedowns so appalling. Fight back and win when MAGA goons make these claims. Savy companies can build a lot of consumer goodwill here, with the legal fees being well worth the good free press they will generate.

carbonriver.bsky.social•1 day ago

The same will likely also happen in the various civil suit shakedowns as well. Whoever has the "big balls" to stand up to this nonsense is going to make the clowns run this past a jury (if not dismissed sooner) where it will all crash and burn. And that brand will get a Costco like bounce.

cjfuego98.bsky.social•1 day ago

Thank you. In order to jail
People there needs to be an actual
Crime the jury believes happened. There will
Be nothing there to jail
Them
For

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah. I don’t know what to think, but this is certainly MY instinct. They can waste time and money and harass people, which is criminal enough. But literally convicting and jailing public figures? That’s…dark.

mattferrel.bsky.social•1 day ago

Feels similar to the inevitable “randomly selected” IRS audits of high profile people. Even if there’s nothing there it makes people miserable for a time.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

Now THAT is easier to do (I'd imagine) and so rather scarier really. I've never been audited (and have no money) but everything I've heard makes it sound like an awful experience. And they DO have a lot of discretion, right? It's not like a grand jury has to sign off on it.

mattferrel.bsky.social•1 day ago

It’s happened before

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/us/politics/comey-mccabe-irs-audits.html

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

Like, you would need a FEW happily crooked IRS people to agree to a blatant political hit job I'd suppose. But that seems like a WAY lower bar than hauling somebody up on charges. I really don't know much about this though.

silverknyaz.bsky.social•1 day ago

it's dark, but it won't happen because legally and logistically it basically can't. sure, they can investigate, but they've investigated before and found nothing! Hillary Clinton was *aggressively* investigated and questioned and nothing ever came of it.

cjfuego98.bsky.social•1 day ago

EXACTLY

ghostpalmtechnique.bsky.social•1 day ago

Many people are saying!
https://bsky.app/profile/ghostpalmtechnique.bsky.social/post/3lf4csolut224

cjfuego98.bsky.social•1 day ago

Unless you’re getting rid of juries and good judges, it’s not happening

kyleiphd.bsky.social•1 day ago

This is the thing - and it is a thin veil of hope but - they do not want to DESTROY the courts, they seek to USE them. So, they must twist them to their purposes with gross bullying tactics, like they do everything else. For now, the courts look like they are firmly resisting 👏🏻

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

Well right. Which is to say they have encountered what the rest of us know as "reality". Courts are "firmly resisting" in the sense of "doing their job of being courts" Sure, some judges will be more sympathetic to your claims than others, but NONE of them literally work FOR you.

jben1990.bsky.social•1 day ago

That said, I also wouldn't be suprised if this goes sideways for them. Even full-blown authoritarian regimes sometimes have problems with show trials, and this one is both nowhere *close* to consolidated and run by *remarkably* incompetent people.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

Well right. They don't have the option of "show trials" at this point. There's still all those pesky actual courts!

jben1990.bsky.social•1 day ago

I think they can't jail every, or even most, Dem elected officials on trumped up charges. But I bet they unfortunately *will* be able to jail some and intimidate others. We still need to fight back as best we can, though.

silverknyaz.bsky.social•1 day ago

no, they won't. They couldn't manage to jail Clinton for Benghazi; they won't jail AOC for .... literally nothing.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

For (to give the hypothetical offense GOP idiots are blathering about currently) what is VERY OBVIOUSLY acts that fall well under 1A protections, etc. It's...not close.

fwordleproblems.bsky.social•1 day ago

Oh sure. Obviously even one would be an outrage. And also would be political gold (not least for the chosen martyr!). That would fire people up like almost nothing else, I'd imagine. We'd never let them forget it!

jben1990.bsky.social•1 day ago

I recall Anwar Ibrahim being convicted and jailed on a highly dubious charge of sodomy by a *much* more consolidated and longstanding regime. The general consensus is that it backfired badly, and he eventually became PM of Malaysia.*

*Though that was about 15 years later.

internethuman.bsky.social•1 day ago

Lol you think that there needs to be a crime for them to be jailed? 😂

Tell that to people all around the country who are held for YEARS without trial.

Maybe if Dem leadership experiences the same legal system as the rest of us then they'll actually care about reform.

madelineonmars.bsky.social•1 day ago

I wonder whether we’ll start seeing threats against members of grand juries instigated from within. Names will get leaked, etc.

kcirtsew.bsky.social•1 day ago

wolfgabe.bsky.social•1 day ago

Should also remind people how Trumps DOJ so far has done a good job of destroying the presumption of good faith in the eyes of the courts.

jarekfa.bsky.social•1 day ago

"Trump's flexes his muscular approach to governing as he arrests the Dem leadership, critics say it departs from tradition".

incompetusrex.bsky.social•1 day ago

Edward Martin is so hamfistedly partisan and corrupt that the DC office is going to lose a whole lotta cases.

tomscud.bsky.social•1 day ago

many many ham sandwiches will go free

thedimpsler.bsky.social•1 day ago

Big day for Haplogroup B

zorknogg.bsky.social•1 day ago

I feel like having what are essentially show trials in plain view of the country and with a national media that you don’t fully control yet is not a good idea/thing that usually happens

clarissasorenson.bsky.social•1 day ago

You need to get past a secret and anonymous grand jury to get the indictment to go to trial, and despite them probably trying to move it to Wyoming or something, because they don't believe DC, the location of the violation, can legitimately do justice, they will likely fail

zorknogg.bsky.social•1 day ago

Well that and even if you get an extremely friendly and/or rigged grand jury indictment you are then having to lay out the evidence in court that’s either going to be laughably weak or outright fabricated, and the entire country will be able to see it.

zorknogg.bsky.social•1 day ago

We’re more at the Biden impeachment inquiry kind of stage where they know they have nothing actionable so there will be a lot of faux “investigations” that last years and produce nothing. The goal will be political damage.

zorknogg.bsky.social•1 day ago

Also, Patel is extremely incompetent and his brain is fully fried on Qanon conspiracy garbage. Do we really expect him to have the ability to investigate prominent Dems in a way that seems credible to anyone but committed MAGA people?

chalexander.bsky.social•1 day ago

Especially after him pissing off the people who allegedly work for him

rzod.bsky.social•1 day ago

It’s a time-honored American Tradition. There were many notable cases of Jury Nullification in the lead up to the Civil War

From Northerners protecting those who helped free Fugitive Slaves from Federal Custody 👍

And from Southerners protecting Slave Smugglers and Filibusteros 👎

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