Like, COVID happened at the *end* of the first Trump presidency. We have to go back at least to 2016 or earlier to say anything was relatively sane. - ThreadSky

stephenburtch.bsky.social • 14 hours ago

Like, COVID happened at the *end* of the first Trump presidency.

We have to go back at least to 2016 or earlier to say anything was relatively sane.

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stephenburtch.bsky.social•14 hours ago

It's basically been insane for my entire Son's life and he was born in June 2015.

Things were already very weird by that point.

hockeygoalieeh.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I was going to say it's been at least a decade. We still had Obama, but Trump was starting to amp up in Republican circles. I thought for sure it would wind up with a Democratic drubbing, but then Comey decided to be an imbecile. I'd love for a modicum of normality.

berkshire.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Honestly, i think things have been pretty insane since 9/11

stephenburtch.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Probably, arguably they never have been tbh.

berkshire.bsky.social•13 hours ago

True enough. Pull the thread and it’ll keep going continually.

progressivefatwa.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I second that. “Freedom fries” was a thing, and that in retrospect feels very 2025.

berkshire.bsky.social•13 hours ago

The patriot act was also a massive deal, and i remember lots of pushback at the time, but as per usual, the adults under-reacted.

progressivefatwa.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Totally. I only call out Freedom Fries because it has the cringe factor.

jennyquarx.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Yeah it was before that. 2010 is when republicans started thinking people like Scott Walker were a good idea and went full on insane. This did not come out of nowhere.

stephenburtch.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Yeah the Tea Party movement was definitely a weird turn.

peterlynn.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Everything has been insane since Bush v. Gore and maybe since Watergate.

stephenburtch.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I feel like Watergate was much more domestic stupidity than it was international world order altering.

Though I can see how downstream it leads to other things.

stephenburtch.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Reagan definitely kicked off a lot of it. Iran-Contra, the deregulation and insanity of the 80's.

stephenburtch.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Also Russia invasion of Afghanistan. Which weakened them considerably and set the Mujahideen/Taleban/Al Queda thing.

US Contributed to Hussein becoming what he was in Iraq, destabilized the region further.

First Gulf War. End of Cold War.

Yeltsin and Oligarchs in Russia (eventually Putin).

stephenburtch.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Basically the world has been in an endless cycle of crazy for at least 40 years that is culminating in right now.

Pretty insane generally.

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