"wellactually I'm a grocery store manager and CP would save us a FORTUNE" A pro-congestion-pricing dispatch from Manhattan's Community Board 6 (Murray Hill, Gramercy, Stuy Town) - ThreadSky

joshuajfriedman.com • 271 days ago

"wellactually I'm a grocery store manager and CP would save us a FORTUNE"

A pro-congestion-pricing dispatch from Manhattan's Community Board 6 (Murray Hill, Gramercy, Stuy Town)

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thewesterhazys.bsky.social•269 days ago

Every anti congestion pricing thing I've heard is just like this "won't someone think of the children" nonsense coming from a person who has no idea what they are talking about.

Imagine getting up and declaring "you will pay more for food" based on nothing but a nypost forum post you read one day.

yastreblyansky.bsky.social•269 days ago

The best part of the plan is incentivizing the trucks to show up at 4 AM instead of during the day.

tinkertailorreply.bsky.social•271 days ago

But what if I made something up about an imaginary cost this would impose (say, on the price of pizza) without acknowledging the existence of the other side of the ledger?

hammancheez.bsky.social•271 days ago

its one of those things that is blindingly bloody obviously good for business especially in one of if not the most mass transit dense areas in the entire country

gravelinfluencer.bsky.social•271 days ago

We also have plenty of evidence that it works from similarly dense and mass transit-oriented European cities. But, of course we're Americans so we think what works elsewhere can't possibly work here.

redwoodgirl.bsky.social•269 days ago

Yep. I think arrogance is woven into our culture and it's going to be difficult and painful to extract it.

roosefella.bsky.social•269 days ago

to be fair to the detractors, we are a lot dumber.

dreadpiratezed.bsky.social•270 days ago

Astonishing that they needed a grocery store manager at a public meeting to point this out - it should be freakin' OBVIOUS to anyone who gives it a good-faith think for more than a few seconds.

hyperlexic.bsky.social•269 days ago

Using CP to mean congestion pricing is breaking my brain

(I know you’re just quoting the tweet)

papazit.bsky.social•270 days ago

Any good neutral explanations of congestion pricing in general and in this specific proposal?

boleteful.bsky.social•267 days ago

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/01/27/opinion-the-congestion-pricing-toll-really-should-be-80 and https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/congestionpricing/faq/index.htm

cpm5280.bsky.social•269 days ago

This seems obviously true: if CP is in place, there will be less congestion for the vehicles that actually NEED to be downtown during high toll times so their time downtown will be more efficient, and deliveries will increasingly take place during lower-toll times, which are already less busy.

spagritty.bsky.social•269 days ago

i'd even support a program for discounted entry for deliveries. it's not like they can take a bus or a train. but any kind of taxi, uber, any kind of people-transport using the streets has to pay full price.

very-simple.com•269 days ago

That’s already built in - theres a 75% reduction from normal congestion pricing tolls overnight (9pm-5am weekdays, 9pm-9am weekends). It’s in part to explicitly encourage deliveries to occur overnight when there’s less traffic.

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