Ethan’s video on Hasan is often pretty unpersuasive, I particularly didn’t enjoy the part where he argues that integrating Palestinians into Israel would be dangerous for Jews, and only uses vague, overly simple appeals to history to make the case
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Ethan has always been a big idiot, he used his big idiot energy for silly stuff. His political targets were other big idiots. Now he's wrong about something important and personal, and smart Hasan is caught up in it. It's like Krillin raging at Goku.
He feels slighted and is WAY OUTSIDE his field of expertise, whatever the fuck that is. Ain't gonna watch it because I'm sure it's going to all be Kiddie Hour Slop, but my man needs to talk to a therapist.
I really don’t like, also, that he acts as though the question of Israel’s “right” to exclude Palestinians is somehow incidental to the greater conversation. Not the sort of thing he should be judged for. “We’re all on the same side right, our thoughts on ethnic majorities don’t matter”
They can also go to prison for a period of time of some months, which is what pro-palestinian activists in Israel do. Is she to be blamed for not doing that when she was 18. Not necessarily, but keeping that in mind when she talk about palestinians as inherently antisemitic, describe the raid she
participated in the west bank as a "fun adventure", calls Ramallah a terrorist city, agrees with Rudy Giuliani about palestinian children being "raised to hate" etc then it's kinda an issue
She asked her superiors when she was in the IDF to be moved away from a desk job to somewhere closer to action because she was bored and wanted to participate in the violence.
Yes, but specifically she had a desk job and then demanded that she become a field officer and told stories glofirying how she got to kill "terrorists" (Palestinians)
I've never been a big fan of H3H3 (stopped watching at least 4 years ago), but the main point that Ethan was trying to get at is there is a serious antisemitic issue that has embedded itself within leftist circles and that shit needs to expulsed, especially antisemitic trash like Hasan Piker.
If your only example for antisemitism in leftist circles is Hasan then it's obvious that you are just lying and honestly at this point I can only imagine that you are likely just a racist.
Progressive ideas should be championed, especially in this age of extremism from the far-right. But always be wary when the far-left decided to hijack these moments for ill intent. Support AOC. Support Bernie. Do not support these antisemites. They would sooner throw you under the bus than help.
He's not the only one. BadEmpanada, SecondThought, & Hakim are other extremist ilk that are quoted to say "catch them while they're young." Nevermind the uncomfortable pedo undertones that gives, that's a straight up Hitler quote.
In what world is platforming and simping for a literal Houthi pirate (a terrorist group whose flag literally says "death to Israel, curse upon the Jews"), not antisemitic?
People will jump over backwards to avoid the issue that fundamentally breaks their argument. Ignoring history is very convenient when you're trying to justify ethnic cleansing.
"yemen, iraq, morocco, lebanon, iran, ethiopia, turkey, afghanistan, pakistan, syria (incomplete list) kicked out jewish people in last 50-70 years, but uh, new palestine which calls for the genocide of jews, will they kick out the jews or kill them? hmmm seems unlikely"
actual big joel logic
coming from a guy who lives in nj/ny, land stolen from the lenape/iroquis. youve no problem living on land taken at gun point while theyre sequestered away.
inidigenous people have highest incarceration per capita, highest poverty of any minority group, food insecurity, worst access to clean water
yet youre more concerned with destroying israel. I guess because indigenous genocide is fun and palestinean genocide isnt.
I never want to hear from a single person that israel should not exist but the USA should. pure hypocritical self serving blind bullshit. extremely disappointed joel.
I do believe, I think uncontroversially, that American Indians should have citizenship to the US. And if I said they shouldn’t have citizenship, that their citizenship would destroy the US, I think you’d probably call me a racist
oh I see, youre saying integrate the palestinians. I agree. I thought you were agreeing with hasan that israel shouldnt exist. my bad. no Im 100% on board with you. sorry about that
Do you realize that these two things literally mean the same thing and that's Hasan (and generally most people that are against Israel existence) position as well right? Having and mantaining a jewish majority is literally what "jewish state" means, if you let palestinians refugees return and give
man I dont even like israel, but I cant take anyone seriously who just says "dissolve it" with no real plan. do you have a plan or place for those jewish people to go? or just pray they dont die? whats the plan joel?
have you ever criticized Hasan for things much more egregious then upersuasive arguments of a dumb podcaster? Left's most influential political streamer is on a tankie route justifying atrocities done by Putin, Assad and Xi, spreading their propaganda and you're here like 'H3H3 isn't presuasive'
like how spineless can one be, or is it that you don't care about anyone, who's pain doesn't portray US in a negative light? It's crazy that your whole shtick is standing up to reactionary propaganda but when it's done by someone masking as a leftist you exclusively try to shield them from cirticism
I couldn’t get five minutes into it. “Content Cop” had issues (and was occasionally similarly beef-based), but never felt like a weird preachy vendetta.
yea it feels really weird to me too bc it's like he's using palestine as a way to create drama, and moral grandstands how he's doing more for palestine than these other creators but the outcome of the video was ppl talking more about hasan and h3 rather than the bigger issue
he's at least right in that Hasan doesn't get much criticism for actively supporting groups who primarily exist to murder, rape and torture people. I find it pretty easy to not enthusiastically celebrate crimes against humanity coming from any group, personally.
Ok so not actually a criticism of Ethan, just lumping him into some category of people you don't like. How exactly was/is Ethan part of the "anti-sjw sphere"? Because he made fun of the Hugh Mungus lady a literal decade ago?
ethan himself has outright stated that he was very much part of the anti-sjw sphere, which is why he felt comfortable saying slurs, making fun of women's bodies, making "triggered sjw" jokes, etc. he said he wanted to change after that and i, like an idiot, believed him.
I dislike Hasan and I hate that he's a poster boy for the left, but I've only heard him have good takes on the genocide. It's a low bar to be anti-genocide and anti-ethnostate, but Hasan clears that bar where many don't, so that's something.
the issue with Hasan is he's not anti-genocide, he's anti-genocide of his side. He supports far-right terror organizations that wish they could enact a genocide that dwarfs the Gazan one.
How so? Relative to wealth I’ve donated more. Volunteered my time. Hosted a refugee for a year. Also. You realize how American empire it is of you to defend a US pundit whose opinions are the exact opposite of the one thing every Ukrainian agrees with.
It’s laughable. Like seriously. 40 million people in a poor country say one thing and you’re like. Nah. The rich e-boy from California knows what’s best actually. Even though it’ll get people killed.
lol. what? Start here. And work your way back from every ukrainian you know. and honestlt if you care. think about timhouthee chalomet and dylan when hasan claims journalism
Pointing out that the ancestors of Israeli Jews were persecuted and forcibly expelled from Arab countries is a "simple appeal to history"?
I love you Joel but this is wild. If you see this, please reply and expand on this because I genuinely don't understand where you're coming from and I want to.
Dude, go back to poem reviews. You're describing this psychotic racist who was on video in New York rambling about "filthy Jewy Jews" like he was just a little edgy once.
I liked the part where he says Hasan is a left-leaning Democrat, as if he's on the ideological level of like Raphael Warnock or something and not a prominent leftist.
same, I used to listen to the podcast kinda regularly but around the time the Hasan collab dropped I started tuning out. it's really disappointing how hard the fall-off has been and just plain embarrassing for H3 given the rep they used to have
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But the nation doesn’t have a right to exist if it is just wildly unethical. They can reform if they want to… but they don’t want to.
actual big joel logic
inidigenous people have highest incarceration per capita, highest poverty of any minority group, food insecurity, worst access to clean water
I never want to hear from a single person that israel should not exist but the USA should. pure hypocritical self serving blind bullshit. extremely disappointed joel.
Like, it was so bad Hasan - who is an utter moron provided compelling evidence to debunk it.
I don't know what Ethan was thinking.
“Show me where I said I support Putin”
Proceeds to call Eastern Europeans Nazis just like Putin’s justification for ethnic cleansing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G8UwxM880
But this is all Felix from Chapo. That’s where Has gets his European FP. Felix is Ukrainian. and Russian lololol
Just wannabe Americans
Also, how can you be pro-Ukraine but anti-Houthi? They’re both fighting against an occupation and genocide from a much larger imperial force.
I love you Joel but this is wild. If you see this, please reply and expand on this because I genuinely don't understand where you're coming from and I want to.
The ones with this shit on the flag.