I really don't understand how CAG/beat 'em up adjacent games can get away with not showing off enemies in promo material without fans demanding it. None of the mechanics matter without enemies to properly contest them, it'd be like showing a platformer's movement in an empty room with no obstacles - ThreadSky

boghogstg.bsky.social • 9 days ago

I really don't understand how CAG/beat 'em up adjacent games can get away with not showing off enemies in promo material without fans demanding it. None of the mechanics matter without enemies to properly contest them, it'd be like showing a platformer's movement in an empty room with no obstacles

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appledees.bsky.social•9 days ago

DMC influence has been a problem I think but that could be me being a bit mean to the culture around those games

kalina2hu.bsky.social•8 days ago

the thing that really gets me is that the attract mode for the original game literally shows Dante bobbing and weaving around enemy attacks and groups and even eating shit a couple times

kazanmasilverwind.bsky.social•9 days ago

I have a feeling the general public might've been gaslit into thinking combos are the most important part of why play a given action game

slightly speaking from experience here. I thought SoR4 was peak at first but then struggled to return to it (& was similarly bored by shredder's revenge)

celialicious.bsky.social•9 days ago

I don't think it's that different from fighting games showing off combos in promotional material. Showing off neutral game in a digestible format is hard.

boghogstg.bsky.social•9 days ago

It's A LOT easier in bmup-adjacent games though just cause of the visceral nature of you getting jumped by a shit ton of goons, and it wouldn't even take that much 💀

celialicious.bsky.social•8 days ago

Also they barely have combos.

boghogstg.bsky.social•8 days ago

Hehe yeah they barely have any combos & really focus on the basics

boghogstg.bsky.social•9 days ago

At this point if I see a new action game the only thing I can even say is "dunno what to think, gonna wait to see how the enemies behave" which ofc usually ends up being way post release and coming from players recording hardest difficulty footage

cactuscorpse.bsky.social•9 days ago

I feel like this with so many games though, I've been keeping up with the big shows recently and half the games are like 'so, I'm gonna need to see some more gameplay before I even know if I should be interested'

boghogstg.bsky.social•8 days ago

Usually tho you get gameplay showcases after a bit but with CAGs/bmups I often have to wait for release to truly know. Especially after seeing stuff like SOR4 end up being good despite looking horrendous in most promo vids

armormodekeeg.bsky.social•9 days ago

sometimes I wonder if any indie 3D platformers about "shmovement" have tried that lol

boghogstg.bsky.social•9 days ago

Oh absolutely though they all exist as twitter clips rather than actual game trailers. You know the "here's a greybox city & me doing random shit in it". Most die at that stage

armormodekeeg.bsky.social•9 days ago

occasionally they release and they're called Super Mario Odyssey.

okay now I'm just being mean.

boghogstg.bsky.social•9 days ago

You might be being mean but that doesn't mean you're not right

wishonpleiades.bsky.social•9 days ago

Would you say the same about the other "sandbox 3D Marios", 64 and Sunshine? I've always preferred the more linear 3D mario platformers because I like the more focused level design.

armormodekeeg.bsky.social•9 days ago

My favorites are also linear ones, but I think Super Mario 64 is excellent.

Sunshine I don't like, but I don't think it's because of a lack of interesting level layouts. It's got... other problems.

Odyssey really is just too fucking big in a lot of its areas. Some of the smaller ones are fun.

armormodekeeg.bsky.social•9 days ago

basically I think that Odyssey's levels are either too big or they run out of interesting challenges before you have enough moons so you get stuck doing busywork.

Or they're Lost Kingdom. Lost Kingdom's great.

animaljayson.bsky.social•9 days ago

god having played the 3D ninja gaidens recently i was so tepid about the NG4 trailer. but if they'd showed a dude throwing an explosive kunai i'd have been on board immediately. just like i was tepid on RE8 until i saw the tetris inventory system. it's the little things, yknow.

boghogstg.bsky.social•9 days ago

Yup, even insanely powerful parries & witch time dodges could easily be balanced via things like explosive shuriken spam and yet all the enemies just stand around doing nothing. I understand not showing enemies in Tides of Annihilation but NG was always very enemy-driven

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