I think the Atlantic piece is probably the scoopiest scoop of the last few decades. And it has clarified one thing - other than the total idiocy of sending opsec over group chats - Hegseth and Vance have a genuine animosity towards Europe. Something for us all to ponder. - ThreadSky

benansell.bsky.social • 4 days ago

I think the Atlantic piece is probably the scoopiest scoop of the last few decades. And it has clarified one thing - other than the total idiocy of sending opsec over group chats - Hegseth and Vance have a genuine animosity towards Europe. Something for us all to ponder.

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coletteaustin.bsky.social•4 days ago

I’d put it down to inverted snobbery on the part of those two!

expatrj.bsky.social•4 days ago

The insecurity of these “educated” white men is insane. If they want to be considered more cultured and appealing to women, this is not the way to do it. Ick.

ocelots1.bsky.social•4 days ago

Pete Hesgeth - fascist DUI hire.

ledredman.bsky.social•4 days ago

The feeling is mutual.

dfourny.bsky.social•4 days ago

If the Europeans had any lingering doubts, I think this fiasco has cleared those up. Unbelievable (and we Americans will well be needing more European security some day I’m afraid as our own is frittered away).

paulboldrin.bsky.social•4 days ago

They also seem to be assuming that if Europe does "step up" we'll want to keep the US in the loop in a way that they quite clearly don't have any intention of reciprocating.

robertthomson54.bsky.social•4 days ago

Think it’s very clear that while Trump is bad, if Vance is ever to replace him things will be much, much worse.

meeware.bsky.social•3 days ago

The accelerationist in me appreciates the confirmation.

scottlgreer.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think- based on reading a lot of their stuff- that they completely assimilate Europe to their concept of domestic American politics and associate it with the snootiest woke people they can imagine populating Columbia. Much of the most vivid writing in Project 25 is exactly this kind of stuff.

benansell.bsky.social•3 days ago

Woke Friedrich Merz is a concept

scottlgreer.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think they honestly believe it. “Today, nearly every top-tier U.S. university president or Wall Street
hedge fund manager has more in common with a socialist, European head of state
than with the parents at a high school football game in Waco, Texas” page 10 of mandate for leadership

benansell.bsky.social•3 days ago

Nothing stopping the parents of a Waco high school footballer from working as a hedge fund manager…

michele67.bsky.social•4 days ago

As a European I’m not quite sure how bombing Yemen is bailing us out.

aliasangus.bsky.social•4 days ago

Is it not that "NOT bombing Yemen is bailing Europe out, so let's bomb Yemen?" Not that I get that either...

michele67.bsky.social•4 days ago

For a country that decided it was the world’s policeman for decades, it’s a head scratcher.

aliasangus.bsky.social•4 days ago

Reading through more of the Signal stuff, I think it's *your* interpretation that is right. They want to make Europe pay its share of the bombing, otherwise Europe is freeloading.

michele67.bsky.social•4 days ago

Not a surprise since this administration still thinks we owe them for WW2

jameswild.bsky.social•4 days ago

It's because the houthis are affecting shipping volumes through the Suez canal. Only 3% of us imports go that route, but 40% of European imports do. So the Trump admin thinks they are bailing everyone out and are owed for it.

cosmoiselle.bsky.social•4 days ago

Why is the US putting resources into doing it then?

juneussell.bsky.social•4 days ago

Europeans have been getting on with managing this for ages. No one asked for the fecking cavalry to ride in, waving an invoice!

damfray.bsky.social•4 days ago

it's possible to go round africa... a bit more pricey but hardly a major struggle is it?

jamesh1.bsky.social•3 days ago

It isn't. And a small amount of intermodal traffic was coming overland via train as well.

See Alan Beattie (FT journalist for details).

exotraveller.bsky.social•4 days ago

It also means that they sometimes are communicating stuff that they don't want passing through secure US government communication systems. What could that be?

mariolavezzi.bsky.social•3 days ago

What, exactly, did Europe do to Vance?

mapleleaf18.bsky.social•3 days ago

Exist? Be urbane, cultured, educated, safe, with universal healthcare, great food and wine?

voteblue4vr.bsky.social•3 days ago

And Stephen Miller

fieldbean.bsky.social•4 days ago

Also Why are all these halfwits involved anyway?

greygosling.bsky.social•4 days ago

Not sure there's much time to ponder, we need some action!

angeleyesnyc.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ironically, these Europe-hating morons also consider themselves to be the defenders of Western Civilization.

jonmcdevitt.bsky.social•3 days ago

I'm sure it's mutual.

repoocuts.bsky.social•4 days ago

I find it interesting Washington chooses to run on Signal when Westminster does WhatsApp. Considering how friendly Zuck is to the administration, why not WhatsApp?

damfray.bsky.social•4 days ago

cos they know whatsapp aint secure... but they make the mistake to think signal is. bunch of charlatans

comedyoferr0rs.bsky.social•3 days ago

They hatch’d their plots upon a stage uncurtain’d, yet wonder’d loud when all the house did hear.

mattrobb.bsky.social•4 days ago

Agreed. It also confirms that they're as ignorant and vicious as they appear, i.e. this isn't performative nonsense for MAGAs, it is actually what they think

zaphodbeeblebr0x.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yeah, they’re vicious morons. WYSIWYG

grabarr.bsky.social•4 days ago

Which I don't understand.

jamesbarr.bsky.social•4 days ago

I'm sure they do but for me the takeaway is their yee-haw confidence that a few missiles aimed at Sanaa will do it.

theangelofhistory.bsky.social•4 days ago

They must be right because noone has thought of bombing Sanaa yet

adamcain.bsky.social•4 days ago

….and that then all they have to do is present an invoice to Europe for “reimbursement”.

I’m actually quite encouraged. They've already made it quite clear they hate us. They’re now exposed as thick as shit.

jamesbarr.bsky.social•4 days ago

That feels fairly weak. Essentially too, the argument that “only we can do it therefore we should do it” overrides the performative point that Vance makes.

alxrchrds.bsky.social•4 days ago

Personally, I don’t think there’s much to ponder — it confirmed what most people already knew.
We know they don’t like Europe, and we know they’re dangerously incompetent.
It’s probably best Europe keeps its distance for a while, anyway.

theangelofhistory.bsky.social•4 days ago

Who is SM?

tonethebone.bsky.social•4 days ago

Stephen Miller

theangelofhistory.bsky.social•4 days ago

They’re letting Miller near foreign policy?!?

Jesus Christ

alxrchrds.bsky.social•4 days ago

And these amateurs want to take Canada and Greenland?

Give me a break.

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