We have done many focus groups and surveys and etc etc on this subject and I gotta tell you, it's actually pretty much exactly correct that the solution to this is more guys having an older guy in their life tell them to pick up a skateboard or a guitar who cares - ThreadSky

jlray.bsky.social • 3 days ago

We have done many focus groups and surveys and etc etc on this subject and I gotta tell you, it's actually pretty much exactly correct that the solution to this is more guys having an older guy in their life tell them to pick up a skateboard or a guitar who cares

Reposted from Luke O'Neil

Pick up a skateboard or a guitar who cares

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materassassino.bsky.social•3 days ago

We need to bring back the Tony Hawk games

lamsmy.bsky.social•3 days ago

Hobbies and activities mean nothing if parents are failing to teach and model civil behavior. I coached MS+HS track for many years and every single rude, lazy boy had a dad who modeled this behavior and a mother who allowed it. 1/2

lamsmy.bsky.social•3 days ago

In the international school system, boys from the US were almost always the most problematic in the “too cool for school” attitude.
The European school system gets that not parenting is helpful so their early years’ programs focus on good constructive engagement from day 1.

lamsmy.bsky.social•3 days ago

*not all parenting

pablocrooz.bsky.social•3 days ago

My middle school daughter describes atrocious behavior from some middle school boys and I tell her “look to the dad.”

lamsmy.bsky.social•3 days ago

Our kids started in the French system and the difference was immediately palpable. In the French schools these kids would have been told from a very young age that this sort of behavior was unacceptable.
The teachers/staff in Anglo schools were at a loss and expected parents to sort it out.

lamsmy.bsky.social•3 days ago

So I guess my point is the all schools need to be prepared to teach kids that whatever the rules may be in the home, that is not always going to be the case at school or in the wider world. And understanding this makes for a much more positive outcome for everyone.

erichdelang.bsky.social•3 days ago

Friendly guy you met in the pub FTW

carnaganwolfe.bsky.social•3 days ago

Literally just the Big Brother program... and it makes a lot of sense that it would work.

santacruzmag.bsky.social•3 days ago

And when they do pick up a skateboard, it needs to be affordable for these young men. Current tariffs increased the cost of skate wheels and trucks by 185% and the decks went up 145%. Thank a Republican voter for that!

motherboy.bsky.social•3 days ago

My 15yo’s life has blossomed since picking up the drums and the skateboard and both expose him to great male role models.

nescionomen.bsky.social•3 days ago

There was an article just yesterday showing that often the older guy in a lot of young men’s lives is a dude that’s into MMA and fascism….

jlray.bsky.social•3 days ago

Like the most effective solution to the problem of getting advice from Andrew Tate is like, getting advice from a second guy

mennonite.bsky.social•3 days ago

From personal experience (My early teenage years were very angry...): Any guy will do. All that's required is that the guy has confidence in himself. That projection of confidence is enough. A wonderful person was that guy for me. He got me into activism. He helped me more than any therapy I've had

mennonite.bsky.social•3 days ago

Therapists tried for years to help me deal with agoraphobia.

This guy helped me not only get out of my apartment, but got me into helping organize local protests, even if they were small.

Just having that one guy helped me care for myself more than any therapy has helped. Wish he was still around

jlray.bsky.social•3 days ago

Solidly like 60 to 70 percent of guys who say they are familiar with Andrew Tate also say they basically believe he is full of shit on some level. Either a funny a jackass or just a jackass.

https://youngmenresearchinitiative.substack.com/p/survey-results-young-mens-support

jlray.bsky.social•3 days ago

Here's what the manosphere guys do. They tell young men that every interaction - girls, job interviewers, with teachers, - is a video game dialogue tree. With an optimal solution and a reliable path down the tree.

Lets not delude ourselves: Many young men find this intuitive and appealing.

jlray.bsky.social•3 days ago

A lot of guys recognize that is dumb. We forget the main way Andrew Tate got famous in the first place was literally by paying his viewers to be his content farmers. His first "course" was, literally and entirely, "here are a bunch of my videos, upload them for me and enjoy the revenue."

jlray.bsky.social•3 days ago

This was a smart approach to the algorithm, which rewarded this bad behavior and brought a lot of people onboard with him on a purely transactional basis. The first time *most* Tate viewers saw his content, it was via someone making fun of him. (See his first "mainstream" review on YMH, etc)

jlray.bsky.social•3 days ago

Since then, the provocativeness and offensiveness of it has become its marketing tool. Because he is recognized as such a piece of shit, a lot of the young guys who share his content believe they have plausible deniability by prevaricating what level of irony they're operating on when they share it.

0kultra.bsky.social•3 days ago

Hey, you seem like the good person to ask: is there any data, however approximate and "botfested", about number of USA men who are subscribers/frequent viewers of Tate?

(Also tagging @chronotope.aramzs.xyz because forgot to tag him previous time I asked this around)

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

Its literally bots. his whole thing is that its bots. He says its bots. It's bots. ool

chrismac4u.bsky.social•3 days ago

Another point for the “video games will rot your brain” scolds of the 1980’s–2000’s.

wiedmaier.bsky.social•3 days ago

It isn’t even a good analogy. A TTRPG has unlimited dialogue options…

matthewbudman.bsky.social•3 days ago

Has someone already published the essay arguing that none of this would be happening if guitar heroes still ruled the charts

danielinniss.bsky.social•3 days ago

Good sir, I believe you are mistaken.

We need Parappa the Rapper back

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

My kids are very much into making their own skins for this game lol

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

All the worst advice Ive ever gotten has come from "an older guy" trying to give me advice.
Literally I can think of 6 distint instances when I got advice, said uh there's no fucking way idiot. And I was write. Someone told me missing my kids birthday party for work was what Men did. I quit the job🖕

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

right*

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

I'm just saying stop trying to force this shit lol. You can't steer relationships. andrew tate is a criminal and belongs in a cell.

is-this-the-end.bsky.social•3 days ago

Sorry, just have to point this out.
"Being a teenage man" toxic masculinity much?

3doghouse.bsky.social•3 days ago

Isn’t this silly, though? They have as many options available to them as teenage boys from previous decades. They’re fed a constant line of BS that the “others” (immigrants, POC, women) are trying to take what’s rightfully theirs by virtue of being born a white male.

profchildermass.bsky.social•3 days ago

Get a girlfriend is the usual prescription that works, but that can be a big ask for the red/incel-pilled woman-haters club that makes up the Tate fan base.

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

This isn't helpful advice either. This is like confirming that they should just revolve around being a straight man.

seinenninja.bsky.social•3 days ago

There is evidence now that women are going older for their dating preferences to avoid the men influenced by these asshats.

h0pe4dfuture.bsky.social•3 days ago

A very time tested principle. A generation of men who didn't interact with their own children created this. Not arresting and prosecuting criminals like these losers compounded the problem.

mostjewishman.bsky.social•3 days ago

It is amazing what having a hobby where you learn a skill does to your happiness and confidence. Even better if there‘s a social component.

yavenay.bsky.social•2 days ago

all it would take is for women to give birth to fewer males to solve this problem.

1vorytower.bsky.social•3 days ago

📌

natmarble.bsky.social•3 days ago

I know this varies with the country but something universal is the key difference it makes for a boy for his dad (or a father figure) to be present in his life, to be actively there and care.

lessworth.bsky.social•3 days ago

Well, it's not « appealingly simple », it's appallingly simplistic.

ccdude8.bsky.social•3 days ago

I have absolutely zero empathy for this shit. Zero. I grew up gay in the 1970s when my whole life was outlawed. So fuck these pussies.

phate.bsky.social•3 days ago

“Things were hard for me so they should be hard for everyone” is some big boomer energy

bluetifulgrace.bsky.social•3 days ago

His whole point is that things aren’t nearly as hard for these young (straight) men.

Their identity isn’t outlawed or threatened, they just have a victim complex.

ccdude8.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yep. How about we start the military draft again and see how those whiners like that?

sinbrujula.bsky.social•3 days ago

I would’ve hoped that merely knowing/caring for any female within their own sphere - sister, cousin, MOM- would be enough of a guiding post? That and a conscience ‘should’ help. I know our brains continue to develop into our 20s, but come on, guys!

linwetzel.bsky.social•3 days ago

Tune into your son or daughter's x-box game and listen. Tune into their Twitch gamer / podcast, subscriber. Check out the Discord that they visit for game tactics, ideas, etc. You will find that THIS is where the propaganda STARTS, then the links to the other alpha male pages continue. LISTEN

danielinniss.bsky.social•3 days ago

I dunno if spying on your kids is the one tbh. You do you though

themadtinker.bsky.social•3 days ago

It isn't spying. Its just being involved. I have a vague presence on discord and roblox that my kids know isn't super far away from their world, So i can get the gist and steer without spying. They can't hide anything from me tho, I re-wrote the router firmware 🤷

linwetzel.bsky.social•2 days ago

It's not spying. It's listening into their game to see what's being said, is it full of slurs, is it talking about females being submissive, is it full of racial talking points. Bannon did this EONS ago when he was involved with internet gaming with IGN. And it's grown. Incels is used often...

linwetzel.bsky.social•2 days ago

to describe another male teenager who cannot keep a girlfriend and/or who hasn't had sex. There is another complete language that parents need to understand that promotes Tate Brothers, full Alpha Male masculinity, including violence against women. It's stuff you need to know about as well.

phate.bsky.social•3 days ago

IMO just ban podcasts until we figure this all out.

petrichorange.bsky.social•3 days ago

📌

lasagnaless.bsky.social•3 days ago

The privatization of masculinity by millionaire sex criminals had one weakness; doing something you actually enjoy.

piep73.bsky.social•3 days ago

What I can't stand about the two (there's more..) is that stupid smirking smile of that stupid little tit brother, Tristan.. look at his face. No confidence at all. Always hiding behind his brother: it used to be behind the skirt of his mother, but Andy has made a little sodding bitch out of him.

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