If they can’t handle the discomfort of “I told you so,” then they definitely aren’t ready to be part of an anti-fascist coalition, so this question truly answers itself - ThreadSky

gothamgirlblue.com • 5 days ago

If they can’t handle the discomfort of “I told you so,” then they definitely aren’t ready to be part of an anti-fascist coalition, so this question truly answers itself

Reposted from Daniel Drezner

I’d stress that as infuriating as this might seem to those who were paying attention during the 2024 campaign, @normative.bsky.social is correct here. bsky.app/profile/norm...

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luckytheturtle.bsky.social•5 days ago

I lot of the people coming round are coming round to the realization that this isn't the white supremacy that they ordered, not to the realization that they shouldn't be supporting white supremacy.

ajmacready.bsky.social•5 days ago

If they can't acknowledge that they fucked up AT THE VERY LEAST then they aren't serious adults and how could anything otherwise be helpful at this specific crisis point?

deborahfisher.bsky.social•5 days ago

Here's another point of view. There are people who do not care about politics, and did not imagine what we are witnessing because they live inside an algorithm. Chait can suck it, but those regular voters aren't bad because they don't care enough about politics enough for their ego to die a little.

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

They are, in fact, bad because they can’t handle their ego dying a little. They weren’t even interested in being right for their own material well being; they’re not any sort of use in fighting the fascists. They will flip sides at the end, when we start winning.

deborahfisher.bsky.social•5 days ago

I hear you, and advocate for a "neutral" camp. I'm not calling these folks good. Maybe their decisions about feeling powerless and a bad media environment, not a function of them being bad or wrong. And maybe they flip sooner if we can withhold judgement because they are getting so, so fucked

cygphl.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yes, to all of the comments here. It's not necessary for me to say "I told you so." But, I am definitely not trying to soothe the hurt grown ass people who were more than happy to hurt the most vulnerable among us.

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

“I told you so” is just a little ego death it’s not planes falling out of the air or environmental disasters that pollute drinking water or tiny coffins for all the dead kids that childhood epidemics will wipe out. Anyone who prefers mass deaths to hearing they’re wrong is a terrible person

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

I actually have a mug I made for myself that says “I would rather be wrong” because truly, being a member of the Cassandra Corps is awful. But being right isn’t about my emotional needs; it’s about supporting material improvements. People who reverse that purpose aren’t allies.

vonneudeck.com•5 days ago

Where did you get the mug?

vonneudeck.com•5 days ago

I‘d like to get one too

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

I made it for myself! I might recreate it on Zazzle for sale

vonneudeck.com•5 days ago

I see, then I’ll paint and glaze my own too

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

Oh no, when I said I made it myself, I mean through Zazzle. It used to have a link, but no one bought it except me, so I have to redo it

annedougherty.bsky.social•5 days ago

I know feel an almost irresistible urge to make a Cassandra Corps t-shirt

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

Depending on the design, I’m in

joesryan.bsky.social•5 days ago

Really amazing that there's so many people convinced that coddling the feelings of the people who affirmatively voted to make specific people's lives worse in the hope it would make theirs marginally better is the first priority. Really just makes the case for why they lost in November, imo.

dillgarlicsalmon.bsky.social•4 days ago

Its a somewhat common autism vs. non-autistic person problem. The autistic people try to get accurate information, do things properly, etc. because that's just the better outcome thing to do. Many nonautsitic people get angry at this "You just have to be right" etc. etc.

So its a personality

dillgarlicsalmon.bsky.social•4 days ago

issue lots of people have. Being stubborn and angry that someone else predicted things accurately, refusing ot listen, etc. Because this makes them feel bad for some reason. Am of the same opinion there needs ot be accountability.

sixfootinshoes.bsky.social•5 days ago

Respectfully, you're asking Trump voters to put things into perspective. If they had shown a capability to do that before now, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

sixfootinshoes.bsky.social•5 days ago

If someone voted for Trump and they're willing to say "I was wrong, I'm sorry" then I'm willing to hope that there's some modicum of redeemability left in them, and they're worth welcoming in. That doesn't mean it's all things forgiven, by any means, but its a baby step.

brianobliviondds.bsky.social•5 days ago

The Hives have a catchy song to make that medicine go down.

misanthropolack.bsky.social•5 days ago

Introduce the Metric System In Time?

overlordq.bsky.social•5 days ago

They're still the same people they were yesterday, it's just "He aint hurting the right people"

Those people aren't allies.

brianedits.bsky.social•5 days ago

These folks feel like the kind of people who would argue in favor of trusting the scorpion in the fable of the scorpion and the fox.

Allegedly-Ex-MAGA will sting us when we're halfway across the river, even if it kills them too. And they'll say "you knew what I was when you agreed to carry me."

jacquelinecarey.bsky.social•5 days ago

I was hollering day and night about Trump and Project 2025, but I honestly didn't foresee the extremity (and sheer idiocy) of Elon Musk's broligarch blitzkrieg. "No one voted for this" is one area where we might find common ground without an "I told you so."

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

No, because repairing it requires an aggressive response, and “no one voted for this” still requires the person to accept that they were wrong. No matter what, they have to internalize their fuckup in order to have the energy and ability to fix it.

markhughesfilms.bsky.social•5 days ago

AND it reinforces + enables the fascistic mindset that it was OK to vote for him if he “only” was going to attack other people, & they are only opposed to having those attacks directed them personally. If they REALLY are sorry & changed now, they won’t refuse to ally over “you should apologize.”

jacquelinecarey.bsky.social•5 days ago

As a pragmatist, I'm doubtful that a significant # of existing MAGA will ever achieve that much growth; hence, my preference for leveraging I Never Thought Leopards Would Eat My Face outrage into action. Rs listen to their base. (Not being contentious, just contributing to the dialogue)

markhughesfilms.bsky.social•5 days ago

I believe we should stoke their anger & use every trick in the book to get them to turn them against the cult, I just think there is a lot of value in holding them accountable, letting our allies say “WE WARNED YOU,” & being aware those “joining” resistance movements be treated w/a lot of caution.

skelekate.bsky.social•5 days ago

I don’t have time, energy, or money to waste on them. They can do the work of rehabilitation and contrition themselves. I don’t owe them a nickel. They owe the rest of us an apology.

willcockrell.bsky.social•5 days ago

Even if you put all that aside, how is it not obvious that a person like that in your organization is the *weakest* of weak links? They're either gullible and easily manipulated enough to be turned by the most amateur of ops, or they're actively hostile and will betray you at the first opportunity.

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

Correct! From an operational standpoint it’s actually outrageous to recruit people who don’t even ideologically align with the basic mission of “fight fascists” and expect them to be useful

lbrass3.bsky.social•5 days ago

No progress can be made until they face the reason(s) why they made the choice they made despite all *waves hands around* of the warnings. That’s simply going to be… uncomfortable. 🤷🏽‍♀️

markhughesfilms.bsky.social•5 days ago

Constantly letting white folks off the hook b/c they resent being held accountable or criticized is exactly how we got in this crisis.

Yes, we must unite even w/folks we may not like, but untrustworthy/unreliable folks in activism puts us all at risk.

blackazizanansi.bsky.social•5 days ago

Plus isn't this what Dem tried to do with never Trumpers? Like, yeah, maybe you can capture their votes for one election cycle (ie like in 2020) or convince them to sit out but I don't think they're reliable long term allies, but if we can use them to move the needle, then sure.

joshmanning.bsky.social•5 days ago

I don’t understand, and never will, how anyone who lived through the first Trump administration thought the second one wouldn’t be as bad. It was always going to be far worse. They abetted it anyway.

revpowell.bsky.social•5 days ago

This argument works if a Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis won in November but we literally have evidence on what Trump wants to do because he’s been President before.

revpowell.bsky.social•5 days ago

Also voters aren’t children. I’m not coddling grown adults who chose to burn the country down because they are scared of brown people.

avaghy.bsky.social•5 days ago

Also if they decide now to be part of an anti-fascist coalition, it is perfectly reasonable to ask why and how have you changed? I have family members who were far right & in the last few yrs saw the error of their ways. One in particular will openly tell you where he was wrong.

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

People who want to change will do the work! There really is no point to this conversation, because it is self-demonstrating. We aren’t going to lure people away; they’re going to leave on their own.

realcinematik.bsky.social•5 days ago

"the president is a fascist and must be defeated UNLESS BongHitz4Nudes keeps saying mean things about my lefty street cred, then I'm driving the train"

these are not serious people

crackedlemonade.bsky.social•5 days ago

The thing is that some will continue to deny the reality of his actions

nartistnioshii.bsky.social•5 days ago

THANK YOU! Much better words than I was typing/deleting😬

superg1975.bsky.social•5 days ago

If these people don't want to hear "I told you so," they need to be leading with an apology. We fucking told them this was going to happen and they didn't want to hear it. Now look.

ex-xer.bsky.social•5 days ago

That could be a quote from any number of weak minded, short sighted, dumb shits including @hakeem-jeffries.bsky.social or @schumer.senate.gov

natecorbitt.bsky.social•5 days ago

Y'all are much more optimistic than I am. I just don't think MAGA will view Trump and his minions that way. No matter what happens, Trump will say something to blame the Dems, and his base will believe it. They're so deep, there's no way they will admit they are wrong.

I hope you are right, though.

gothamgirlblue.com•5 days ago

His base is much smaller than the number of voters he got

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